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deptstoremook
2004-01-12, 17:06
LDS = Mormon = The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints, for those of you lucky enough to not be familiar with the religion.

I normally keep my opinions on religion to myself (except when drawn into debate), but this particular sect of Christianity is so amazing and riddled with incredible happenings that I feel compelled to talk about it.

Let's start with the founding father / prophet figure of the religion: Joseph Smith. Now, Mormonism was founded in the mid 1800's, which makes it even more shocking. Anyhow, Joseph Smith not only practiced black magic (scrying and fortune telling), but this practice led to his founding of the religion.

The way the story goes is that an angel came to him while he was scrying, and eventually said angel (Moroni, I think?) gave him some gold plates, from which the book of mormon was transcribed - naturally, these plates were in a secret language which only Smith could read (with divine lenses).

The story gets better - according to the Book of Mormon, the Garden of Eden was, in fact, located around Idaho/Utah. And apparently, god frowns upon the dark skinned races of humans because they are sedentary and materialistic.

Now, the coupe de grace - polygamy. Talk to any mainstream Mormon today and they'll exuberantly berate you for even mentioning the word. Some history is in order here - after Smith wrote the Book of Mormon, he continued receiving revelations from god, which he published in another book. The most controversial was the one stating that pluralism was divinely ordained.

This belief eventually led to Smith's murder in the mid 1800's, but the church continued to practice polygamy until ~1900 - the mainstream would still be practicing if it weren't for serious government intervention.

Perhaps less surprising is that women are publicly subjugated - these LDS folks don't beat around teh bush about that.

Now, all this would be fine but for one thing - the missions; the mainfest destiny; whatever you want to call it. Mormons aren't content with knowing that their religion is right. No. They have to actively attempt to spread it to every niche and crevice of society. This is perhaps the worst aspect of the entire religion.

Let's run down here for the people who don't like to read stuff in paragraph form.

<UL TYPE=SQUARE>

<LI>Founder practiced black magic

<LI>Bigoted, both religiuously and racially

<LI>Chauvanistic

<LI>Total obedience to the church is required

<LI>Strong 'manifest destiny'

<LI>Very strict sect of Christianity

<LI>Polygamists at heart if not in practice

</UL>

And the kicker? the kicker is that this religion was founded in the age of the printing press, practically in the age of modern science. It shocks me that such obvious deceit is the groundwork ofr such a successful religion.

Thoughts/comments?

PhatMonkey
2004-01-12, 17:12
k...that was kinda UNinteresting

slopsicle
2004-01-13, 09:50
the end of the actual bible states that it's fully complete and no additions shall ever be made... the mormon bible/scrolls/books (whatever the hell they wanna call it) is an addition, thus proving itself to be false.

oh yeah, it was considered a sin for mormons to consume caffeine before they bought into the coca cola company. now it's fine

Fascistsmasher
2004-01-13, 22:16
LDS is bat shit fucking insane. Not only do they know the history of the founder, but they still believe it. As for the Christian bible, the only people that ever said it was final were the people that compiled it AFTER cutting many many books, some for obvious reasons. I cant remember the name of the conference this was done at, but regardless the bible CAN be added to. Most people just dont.

Inside_Voices
2004-01-14, 01:49
quote:but regardless the bible CAN be added to. Most people just dont.[/B]

Let's fill it with more BS than it already contains! Wait, that's not possible.

inquisitor_11
2004-01-14, 02:40
You CAN do whatever you want with the bible, or any other religious text for that matter. It dosent confer any legitimacy or validity to what you do it though.

5 basic principles were used to determine whether a book is "canonical" or scripture.

1)Is it authoritive - did it come from the hand of God (does this book come with a divine "thus saith the Lord"?)

2)Is it prophetic - was it written by a man of God?

3)Is it authentic? (the early church fathers had the attitude "if in doubt throw it out" policy. This enhanced the "validity of their discernment of canonical books")

4)Is it dynamic - did it come with the life-transforming power of God?

5) Was it received, collected, read and used - was it accepted by people of God?



-Geisler and Nix "A General Intoduction to the Bible"

The decision to define a "canon" of legitimate literature came out about, partially, due to increasing amounts of dodgey books.

CesareBorgia
2004-01-14, 02:45
quote:Originally posted by slopsicle:

the end of the actual bible states that it's fully complete and no additions shall ever be made... the mormon bible/scrolls/books (whatever the hell they wanna call it) is an addition, thus proving itself to be false.

oh yeah, it was considered a sin for mormons to consume caffeine before they bought into the coca cola company. now it's fine

No, actually they are still not allowed to. One of my friends is a practicing Mormon and he doesn't touch the stuff.

LostCause
2004-01-16, 20:48
I could've sworn it said LSD...

Cheers,

Lost

Inside_Voices
2004-01-16, 20:56
quote:Originally posted by LostCause:

I could've sworn it said LSD...

Cheers,

Lost

You too?

I was going to say "wrong forum" but i actually read it first.

Living_biohazard
2004-01-27, 02:08
dum dum dum dum dum