genesis 3:22 and the lord said behold the man is become as one of us to know good and wvil and now lest he put forth his hand and take of the tree of life and eat and and live forever

it seems to me this means that since adam ate from the forbidden tree of knowledge he learned about right and wrong and became a god so therfor I am a god

And what do you intend to do with your new found stature? Even if you or I are 'God' then what does it really matter?

I'm not saying that it doesn't, I'd just lik to know why you think it does...May be interesting.

i want to "play god" or at least support the rights of scientists to. by "playing god" i mean create genetically new species and my own set of morals.

Good luck.

Try Satanism. You become your own god.

quote:Originally posted by Inside_Voices:

Try Satanism. You become your own god.

Right, do what LaVey says, become your own god....

Actually, sure, try it. Try everything you want to try, but don't let it become a shackle on your mind or convince you it's the only "right" way or the penultimate grand truth of all things...That's the inherent danger of all "isms" and religions...

You are right about one thing, you are god...as are all of us. At the same time none of us is god because we limit ourselves with convictions which become our definition rather than a tool of the will.

The only real truth is that there is no truth, there is only perception that defines existence in all it's forms. The irony of this statement does not elude me, however the full impact of it might elude many.

By this statement, all earnest beliefs and perceptions become "true" within the framework which they were built, yet nothing more than a temporal manifestation of perception and ideation, useful at the moment of their inception and perhaps a bit longer in the assimilation of perceptions we perceive to be the passage of time.

When the truth becomes a conviction which we cannot discard when it is no longer relevent or useful, it becomes a set of shackles on our godhood, and a god enslaved becomes a devil, to our perceptions, pushing, tempting, driving us to break from the chains that bind it, yet our convictions will not let us listen, and we live in a prison of ignorance, haunted by fears, pain, and despair for the god we cannot recall forsaking, yet knowing we have sinned against it, and continue to do so. And it is ourselves which we have sinned against in this, ourselves collectively and singularly...

This is just a point of view, expressed by one amid a sea of many, some may agree, some may disagree...

If you seek to disagree publicly, please thoroughly consider what has been said and be sure you are clear on what is being said before addressing it. I look forward to enlightened commentary or points to show me more of the picture I may not yet see.

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So you are saying that our self defined perspective causes our reality to be identified as a truth? Or that we are shaping ourselves and in that act, the world around us as well?

very well stated chaoswyrm.

Tat Tvam Asi

ChaosWyrm, your conclusions work, but only in your closed system of thought. The proposition that:

"The only real truth is that there is no truth, there is only perception that defines existence in all it's forms"

is fundamentally flawed. To come to that conclusion, you contradict yourself in that perception becomes "the only true way to define existence". The concept of "no truth" is fine, but only in your neat little mental philosphies. When it comes to real life, it all falls over. If you get hit by a bus, you are very much hit by a bus, whether you perceive that to be your reality or not.

Objective truth exists. Regardless of the post-modern mindset.

Yea...being closed-minded isn't cool.

The thing is to an outside observer it looks like an objective phenomenon but what of the one who was hit by the bus? What would that person experience?

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Objective truth exists. Regardless of the post-modern mindset.

no. the paradoxical truth exists, regardless of your poorly explained argument... and also regardless of the fact that it doesn't exist.

quote:Originally posted by AR-180:

genesis 3:22 and the lord said behold the man is become as one of us to know good and wvil and now lest he put forth his hand and take of the tree of life and eat and and live forever

it seems to me this means that since adam ate from the forbidden tree of knowledge he learned about right and wrong and became a god so therfor I am a god

00000000H i ph33r teh 31 posts.

What if evreything is both at the same time. Evreything is true and false at the same time, and we only experience what we choose to represent for ourselves?

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So you are saying that our self defined perspective causes our reality to be identified as a truth? Or that we are shaping ourselves and in that act, the world around us as well?

Close. However the semantics here become relevent and how something is phrased can mean a world of difference to the turn of the thought. Our self defined perspective (I kind of like that term) is shaped by our perceptions and the filters we process them through based on previous perceptions and perspectives. So in a sense, our self defined perspectives become influenced by that which is not the self but is perceived by the self. This means that our perspectives are in truth defined by a collaboration of self and not-self. This is why I focus on "Perception" rather than "perspective" in my post, as perspective is a malleable tool of the perception, one which can be changed and molded at will to suit the needs of the god.

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quote:Originally posted by inquisitor_11:

ChaosWyrm, your conclusions work, but only in your closed system of thought. The proposition that:

"The only real truth is that there is no truth, there is only perception that defines existence in all it's forms"

is fundamentally flawed. To come to that conclusion, you contradict yourself in that perception becomes "the only true way to define existence". The concept of "no truth" is fine, but only in your neat little mental philosphies. When it comes to real life, it all falls over. If you get hit by a bus, you are very much hit by a bus, whether you perceive that to be your reality or not.

Objective truth exists. Regardless of the post-modern mindset.

I concur that if one becomes hit by the bus, the perceived impact would indeed cause you extreme discomfort or death...again your reality is defined by your perceptions.

Here is the rub...If you were properly using your perceptions, you would not have been hit by the bus.

There is a consensual "truth" of correlating perceptions en masse, and it is a very potent force in the fabric of each person's individual perceptions...but it is not so strong that it cannot be overcome. To be a bit cheesy and quote The Matrix in a way that makes more sense than you might think...

"You saying I can dodge bullets?"

"I'm saying that when you are ready, you won't have to."

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