This question has a lot to do with religion.

I can take the viewpoint that, "yes, there is movement", but how do you know there is time?

I can see or feel movement.

What has it got to do with religion?

Anyway, there is an article called 'an obsolete watch' on 'this just in', quite interesting.

To answer your question, I dont think there is time, we are constantly living in the same moment. Just things change within the moment and therefore we think that some time has elapsed, like the planets orbitting the sun.

I also think that in this moment is only our universe and that real time travel would mean travelling to a different moment where there is a completely different existence.



[This message has been edited by Whisp (edited 01-18-2004).]

I'd say it has to do with religion because its sort of a question of physics [or our understanding of physics I suppose] and physics most definitly deals with questions of a religious nature sometimes. Its all a matter of perception.

doens't it always make you laugh when you hear religous idiots say the world is going to end at such and such date. We created the dates we created the time. How in the hell can some asshole predict a certain date if this world wasn't created on our time table?

But what if it does? Just hypothetically, what if on some calculated date, the world ends. You'd feel pretty stupid wouldn't you? We'll never know until we get there.

Why would I feel stupid. Of course if the world ends its going to happen on a date....I am talking about people such as the group who said the world was going to end in 2000. How does 2000 work into God's timeline. My whole point was: We created our calender, not God.

I have an entire theory on the existence of a divine method (a god in a sense) centered around the thesis of, basically 'what is Time'?

In a nutshell I believe that "god" is Time and that Time is. Simply it Is. And that it's moving like a train (containing all of existence) on a curved linear line. Considering that this force is so vastly beyond our comprehension the fact that eventually it comes full cycle is almost sort of pointless in saying, but even if it goes full cycle, that doesn't neccissarily means that existence - as we know it - ends. The train has simply returned to the station.

Anyways, imagine each overpass the train goes under is a dimension and it's constantly moving through these finite but seemingly infinite dimensions. Each of these dimensions represents a fraction of a second too minute to comprehend and with each dimension it causes us to move, in one way or another, simply because each dimension is different and we must exist differently in each dimension. This explains age and many other things.

This, of course, isn't proven. It's just a theory. When I have more energy I'll post the diagrams and such.

Cheers,

Lost

quote:Originally posted by Whisp:

What has it got to do with religion?

Predestination, for one.

quote:Originally posted by LostCause:

And that it's moving like a train (containing all of existence) on a curved linear line. Lost

Why do you say this?

Because it's one of the most common theories that time moves on a curved linear line.

Cheers,

Lost

quote:Originally posted by LostCause:

Because it's one of the most common theories that time moves on a curved linear line.

Yeah, but I was hoping you would it explain to me in a way that I could understand why this theory explains time in a way that is contradictory to the way time is usually depicted or described.

Or you could tell me to go read a book.

So it's curved and linear? I'm sure there can be a logical explination behind all this. But back to the original question, there are certain circumstances (extremes of velocity and gravity) that can influence the passage of time. Wether this just means all the particles move at a faster/slower speed, I'm not sure but it would be very interesting to find out.

only within the frame of reference (travelling at the same velocity, i.e. no relative motion) of the observer does time travel slower. length contraction (the contraction of objects outside your frame) occurs also proportionally with time dilation. each intertial frame (or frame of reference) has the right to say that they are at rest and that everything else is in motion. this whole idea of time dialtion is to do with the relativity of time.

[This message has been edited by icantthinkofaname (edited 01-22-2004).]

movement requires time to have passed, as movement is rate of change of distance or d(s)/dt . time is the rate of change of a physical system, movement from one arrangement to another a concept deep within thermodynamics.

alternatively time can be imagined like a map, a huge map with all of the future from the big bang to the big crunch upon it. it contains every movement of every particle. the map can only be viewed through a narrow slit , as the map is in a box on runners like a scroll. as you move the runners the map moves and through the slit it appears that particles are moving from an order favouring configuration to a disorder favouring configuration and that time is ellapsing.

Maybe I can explain time a little better for you. It exists but it doesn't. It's like using measurement in inches, it's just a way to measure something. That's all. Time is just a measurement device used to measure distances between interactions with objects. It's like going to the eight day in a week. There is no eighth day right? It's all continuous and free moving. Simply put, time is a measuring instrument used to say where something used to be "when" it was there. Don't get me wrong it was there but time just gives it an idea of when it was there and that's all. Just a another measuring device.

i used to believe time didnt exist too, but it does.

time is as real as matter or distance, and its relative to speed, in more than just the obvious way.

if youre on a spaceship going really fast (extremely) and you leave in may, then come back, your clocks will say august, and the place you left froms clocks will say december. (not in scale obviously) but its true. i couldnt believe it at first but its true. time is real as length, width, and hieght. we live in 4 dimensions, 3 space, 1 time.

if you dont believe me just remember that the earth is the center of the universe, and flat by the way.

look it up or ask some professor.

Except the Earth is not the center of the universe nor is the universe completely flat...it has more of a pancake shape...more narrow towards the fringe of what we can see.

A question though: Innacture clocks at high speeds...does that mean time exists, or that our atomic clock (which measures time as an amount of changes) doesn't work too well when the rate of change of the system it is contained within (the spaceshuttle) is higher than the atoms rate of change?

no actual time goes faster when you move faster, even if you dont have a clock, and use other methods, like its a long ass trip and you come back and youre 5 years older and everyone else is 40 years older. (clearly not in scale)

edit--which means yes, the clocks on earth will be differnet from the spaceship clocks

and if you cant tell i was sarcastic about flat world thing, just said it to show that just cuz it sounds like bullshit doesnt mean it cant be true.

[This message has been edited by seraph~aral (edited 01-25-2004).]

*sigh* ok look, the faster you move the slower everything else goes right? That's a no shit statement. Now when you speed something up all the atoms start moving faster, which means they are moving faster than all the atoms that are stationary. When they are moving faster they use more energy. Which is why everyone in the spaceship will be older looking than everyone else they left. Time doesn't speed up you ass, just the clocks themselves do. The clocks and the atoms, which is why they look older. There is no time you idiot, we made it up.

time is just a way that the greeks or whomever came up with to organize their lives. finding it easier to function with something to live by.

quote:Originally posted by bkc:

This question has a lot to do with religion.

I can take the viewpoint that, "yes, there is movement", but how do you know there is time?

I can see or feel movement.

Go read a physics book. Then, if you still have questions, you'll be able to phrase them so they have meaning.