First- disragard my Username, its kinda gay

Many great punk rock bands choose No Religion and do whatever they want, sin a ton.

I believe there is a God, one true God, Jesus Christ. I dont want to be a christian/jesus freak, for i dont want to conform to every rule God makes. I am a Christian though, and i dont think i will ever become an athesist for God created the world, ppl, and died to set us free. Ive tried many "worldly" things, because i want to have fun. So a ? I have is---

---Those who choose NO Religion, like Pennywise and Green Day(great bands), why do u?

i think 1) You want to do whatever you want, dont want to be assoc. with Christian and their rules.

2)Its all you know, what other punks believe, you dont really understand Christianity, but u think u do.

? 2---George Bush says he's a Christian, he started the war in Iraq which some/most Christians believe is right, but im not sure about it.

---What do u think of Bush and the War?

Make 2 seperate topics man...don't try to push these together.

Music preferance doesn't really mean anything, but im a satanic-music kind of guy.

Bush is not the smartest guy in the world, but at least the USA is still alive. I'll give him that much credit.

The US wasn't dying when he came into power, so the fact that its still alive is no accomplishment.

And I have a question.

Why do a lot of people who believe in God [actually it seems to come more from religious people then people who simply believe in God] seem to think there is some 'reason' behind why others don't believe. Can't you just accept that just like you believe some people just don't? There is no real reason, just in their heads they feel a God truly does not exist. Not because they want to rebel or do a bunch of sinful things in life. Logically, if someone just wanted to do sinful things, shouldn't they become christian? God supposedly forgives us of everything, but if you don't accept Jesus as our lord you don't get into heaven. So wouldn't it make more sense to sin and be forgiven then to be an athiest and not goto heaven?

It only makes sense to me that they truly believe God does not exist.

quote:Originally posted by reveille24:

I believe there is a God, one true God, Jesus Christ. I dont want to be a christian/jesus freak, for i dont want to conform to every rule God makes.

just as you pick which rules you want to conform to they simply pick to not have someonelse make their decision for them.

Mainly, this is for atheists and non-christians.

Think: There is two choices when the world crashes down or when you die. Heaven and Hell. Heaven is a place where you live eternally, you will never die, you wont be complete mindless drones in heaven either. Hell is a place where you will burn forever, you will never die(i think), u will just burn and suffer forever, it would be the worst thing you could ever have to do. How can u just live like 30-80 years and then when you die, just burn forever? you have a chance to NEVER die, live eternally in heaven...but yet you'd rather burn in hell b/c on earth you can do whatever you want, God created all of us, gave us life, gave us a free will, and created the world. I do believe about 95% that God is real and there is a heaven, even though im no perfect teen. Just think though and Reply, do u really want to burn in Hell when you die when u have a chance to live forever? Make the damn decision for yourself, not because of friends.

where are the requirements for heaven listed?

non-Christian's beliefs are based on the idea that Christianity is wrong. We wouldn't rather "burn in hell b/c on earth you can do whatever you want", we'd rather "do whatever we want" because we don't believe in hell (or in a Christian hell in the case of some beliefs).

Your point is quite valid, so long as the beliefs it rely on are also proven true.

If you could manage to prove Christianity as being true though - most non-Christians would immediately convert.

Religions are the first drafts of human law.

Man create god and the laws to follow.

god is nothing more than a symbol, like santa claus, the tooth fairy or the boggie man. god is a hype, a fad that will eventually go out of style.

Heaven and hell are imaginary places. Heaven and hell define state of being. Orgasam is heaven and a root-canal is hell. Then you die and return to the earth.

Once the body dies and the mind has been eaten by worms, you no longer feel physical pain or sensations. The solid decomposes and the energy the body emits returns to the environment.

Religion restricts the spirit. The spirit wants to be free but humans complicate things by trying to control the spirit instead of nurturing the spirit.

What humans realize as reality is only a tiny percentage of the universe. A billionth of a reality. Human's view of the universe if extremely narrow minded and sometimes not logical.

quote:Originally posted by diocyn:

Religions are the first drafts of human law.

Man create god and the laws to follow.

god is nothing more than a symbol, like santa claus, the tooth fairy or the boggie man. god is a hype, a fad that will eventually go out of style.

Heaven and hell are imaginary places. Heaven and hell define state of being. Orgasam is heaven and a root-canal is hell. Then you die and return to the earth.

Once the body dies and the mind has been eaten by worms, you no longer feel physical pain or sensations. The solid decomposes and the energy the body emits returns to the environment.

Religion restricts the spirit. The spirit wants to be free but humans complicate things by trying to control the spirit instead of nurturing the spirit.

What humans realize as reality is only a tiny percentage of the universe. A billionth of a reality. Human's view of the universe if extremely narrow minded and sometimes not logical.

Pure genious, sir.

well..i can tell u another reason not to be christian, and this is a chatholic thing, if UR god will allow the malestation of little boys to go on, something is wrong there

secondly, the reason most ppl are cristian is heredidty, there parnets say they are

third, chistianity is not the only religion that drives for peace and equality.

finally, many ppl dont belive in heaven and hell, i for one believe in reincarnation, so i will be "burning nowhere" thank u.

yes...lol...god is dead he died so we could live..hahahahahah...what kind of omnipotent being commits suicide..hahahahah...=(

'Hell is a place where you will burn forever, you will never die(i think), u will just burn and suffer forever, it would be the worst thing you could ever have to do.'

First off, isn't pain simply soemthing that exists in living creatures? It is more or less the brains way of saying 'whatever you're doing, stop doing it because you're gonna do dammage to your body'. So hell can't be a place of pain, now can it? [if it exists at all] If you no longer exist inside a body that needs to send you a signal when dammage is occuring, I wouldn't image you could feel pain.

Also, doesn't the Bible say that if you accept Jesus as your lord you will have eternal life, and if you don't you will not? Logically meaning believers goto Heaven [or simply continue to exist] and non-believers are sent into a state of non-existance.

If you believe in the bible, then u believe in an afterlife. You are still a regular person, you will come to judgement day, where you will be awarded heaven or hell. You will feel pain, burning in hell, thats what the bible says. Its heaven or hell, no other choice. If all this is true, which y not think it is? who else wouldve created the world and all? If you could have eternal life, y not try Christianity out some? Many talk to God in a real convo, God does amazing micacles on earth through reg. people. How does that happen? Even though i havent personally, prob b/c i dont have a good enough faith. and...God died on the cross, so that we may have forgiveness for our sins, he rose again in 7 days, he did Not commit suicide.

Ok, so if Jesus was God, he had the power to keep from dying, right? He's all powerful. Doesn't that make it suicide? Does that mean Jesus went to hell?

I personally believe in A god. I do not follow the Bible, but I act in a manner similar to how Jesus would, I think. Or I try (Peace, love, stuff like that).



Peace.

Why would a God so powerful as to create the universe, and completely all knowing be so insecure as to need everyone to praise and love him? Basically thats what the whole heaven vs. hell idea is about. Honestly, theres not many threats worse then 'you will suffer in horrible pain FOREVER'. Why would he need to threaten us to get us to praise him, and offer us rewards of eternal life and happiness if we do so?

The reason I can't believe christianity is because it all seems too human. I don't believe a God would do this. Why? What would be the point in creating a universe and all kinds of creatures for the sole purpose of praising you? Thats pretty much what christianity says. God created the universe, then he threw some people down there, then he said love me or burn in hell. I don't believe it. It doesn't seem to make any sense.

Threatening soemone with pain is what humans do. If we have no mercy and want somethign from someone we use pain to get it. Or, we offer great reward. How often are people beaten down for their wallets? How often do people offer bribes to get themselves out of things? This is exactly why I don't believe in christianity. I feel that God would not waste his time making such human threats to get what he wanted. The way I see it, if God truly wanted us all to believe in him, he'd show himself or make his presence more clear to us, not play games of faith to test whether we're worthy of eternal life or not. Why create something simply to test it to see if it loves you?

Would you ever buy a dog, never show yourself to it for several years, then finally show up for a 'judgement day' of sorts where you either shoot the dog if he growls at you, or pet and love him if he licks you and snuggles his head agaisnt your leg? No.

I guess we wouldn't be able to understand everything God does, but christianity to me would seem like a cruel and useless game. It would turn out good for some and unbelievably horrible for others, all based on who you think the guy in the sky is and which book you choose to believe.

I can't say as I believe any religion, though I more or less believe in a God. Christianity just seems very 'off' to me.

quote:Originally posted by reveille24:

I am a Christian though, and i dont think i will ever become an athesist for God created the world, ppl, and died to set us free.



I always got a kick out of that. An all-knowing entity sacrificing himself to himself to appease himself so he won't wrath and kill his own creations over the rules he himself established and knew they would break before he ever created them in a way in which they would break them.

Gotta love hardcore determinism. It's inescapable if an all-knowing, all-creating entity exists. He knows how any possible universe he makes will turn out, depending on how he makes it. He can make a world where some people go to heaven and some people go to hell, everyone goes to hell, or everyone goes to heaven.

If he makes the world where he knows that some people go to hell, did they ever have a choice in the matter? I mean, they have to fulfill his omnicience. They have to act in accordance to the future he already has seen and is thusly predecided. If god makes a world in which he knows Joe Black goes to hell for picking the wrong religion out of the millions of available ones to choose from before the universe is even made, how could god not be deciding Joe's final fate?

quote:

---What do u think of Bush and the War?

It was never declared war, which makes it an illegal imperialistic invasion of a sovereign nation to overthrow it's government, install a puppet regime, and contract all it's key economic sectors out to private enterprise special interest groups.

That's what I thought would happen before Bush got in office if he became president and it's exactly what happened.

^^ BAM!

quote:Originally posted by CheeseWank:





Ok, so if Jesus was God, he had the power to keep from dying, right? He's all powerful. Doesn't that make it suicide? Does that mean Jesus went to hell?

I personally believe in A god. I do not follow the Bible, but I act in a manner similar to how Jesus would, I think. Or I try (Peace, love, stuff like that).



Peace.



Cheese-

Yes, jesus supposedly went to hell when he died. It might say that in the bible...i don't recall. I read about it recently in the Divine Comedy. There is apparently some bridge that he crushed with his entrance. I don't know if this is accurate, plus i don't believe in jesus as a diety anyways.

It should be noted that the Divine Comedy isn't exactly biblical. It's not even apocrypha.

He supposedly decended into hell and rose back up [when he was ressurected] according to the The Athanasian Creed.

Magneto strikes again...and kicks some serious ass.

quote:Originally posted by The_Rabbi:

It should be noted that the Divine Comedy isn't exactly biblical. It's not even apocrypha.

But I'm told many of its references are valid. I don't study biblical contents actively.

Okay, I haven't read most of this thread because all I have to say is to the idiot who posted it.

The reason I do not believe in a god is because I have absolutely no reason to. Honestly, the big bang theory isn't 100% perfect, but it's way more logical than the god theory. Seriously, the whole god thing is really fucking dumb when you think about it. There's just no evidence backing it up. Nothing to disprove it, but nothing to prove it. Just like I can't prove or disprove that I control everything in the world. As it happens, I'm the one making it happen. It's all me. If you really believe in blind faith, you would believe that because there's no reason not to except plain logic.

Another thing that pisses me off about you is how you assume that no one can have morals that aren't the same as yours. I don't cheat people. I don't lie often. I'm generally not a bitch. I treat others as I would like to be treated. And it's because I feel this is the right way for me to live. Because it promotes peace in the world. I don't need some ultimate reward to motivate me to be a good person. I just am anyway.

So don't be a judgemental fuckhead. You're just a closed minded idiot with nothing good to say, so just leave. Go on. Kill yourself. God is telling you to die for our sins. Go. Go be with God.

quote:Originally posted by GlitterPunk112358:



So don't be a judgemental fuckhead. You're just a closed minded idiot with nothing good to say, so just leave. Go on. Kill yourself. God is telling you to die for our sins. Go. Go be with God.

Ah the bitter ramblings of hypocrites.