I've noticed that the best kind of art is the kind that expresses deeper and deeper areas of life. To me it's people who are more spiritually advanced that create this kind of art. They don't necessarily believe in god (Because you can be spiritually advanced without believing in God), but there art expresses depths of life that come so close to Godly concepts, such as us being a soul, or whatever.

Also you'll find that the people who succeed most in the "arts" are the ones who express spiritual concepts, and why? Because most people on some level can relate to them and see the truth and beauty there-in.

Listening to some deep music or staring into a deep picture to some degree brings you towards that level and makes you feel more spiritual. The deepest level of that feeling is god, and that's why art is so beautiful and captivating.

quote:Originally posted by ---Beany---:

The deepest level of that feeling is god, and that's why art is so beautiful and captivating.

quote:Originally posted by ---Beany---:

(Because you can be spiritually advanced without believing in God)

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Originally posted by ---Beany---:

(Because you can be spiritually advanced without believing in God)

I hope you're pointing out how stupid those quotes were...because they were stupid...

Explain why if you think you know so much.

Perhaps it may be that you're just too stupid to understand it.

quote:Originally posted by ---Beany---:

Explain why if you think you know so much.

Perhaps it may be that you're just too stupid to understand it.



That's like saying you can never be sexually satisfied without porn...there are other ways. I personally get my spirit filled by putting down people that put up threads like these.

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That's like saying you can never be sexually satisfied without porn...there are other ways. .

That analogy doesn't even realate.

There are no other ways to be spiritually advanced without god, since God is spirit and we are part of that spirit, but you don't have to be aware of God to be aware of spiritual truths.

To make a proper analogy, you can know the definitions of many words without being aware of a dictionary.

quote:I personally get my spirit filled by putting down people that put up threads like these.

Writing a sentence like this just goes to show how much you don't know.

Why do so many people argue points in these forums when they hardly even know the ABC's of popular spiritual beliefs.



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It's because they're scared, frightened, souls who never looked deep enough into the environment around them or more importantly themselves. So they act like any frightened creature would, they attack what they do not and refuse to understand. Ignorance and hatred is the path of least resistance. Failing to realize how much of precious life they are wasting they attempt to destroy any idea that they don't share.

How can we progress and break through when there is so much ignorance with false power?

Perhaps only the artistic understand. Perhaps the artistic or only artistic because they want to understand they want to be connected to the reality that isn't material. They desire to be understood. This expression comes out however it can and is made beautiful so that those like the creator may appreciate it and understand it. And those unlike the creator can say "it's pretty" or "it has a beat and you can dance to it"

It's all a balancing act

God isn't the source of spirituality, our imaginations and realities are. Our dreams of what we want, and the reality of that which we don't have contrast eachother so deeply that we create the spirit of our own mind. The further your wants and realizations differ, the more spiritual you become as imagination is the only stronghold left to you. It becomes your one and only desire to express your emotions through art that makes such famous artists. Even non-objective art is filled with emotions as it's striving for the underlying simplicity of the 'spiritual'. Artists are striving to bring their wants and reality together, and they accomplish it through art.

My art is inspired by my dreams and my life. I see death, love, hate, war, peace, families, orphans...some I want, some I don't, some lack, some overbear. It is the fundamental realization that things are not as they should be that creates the spirit within our mind. The spirit is just the result of humanity's common failure at succeeding in its goals.

If God were necessary to art, and art brings one closer to God, then would I not be a theist with how deeply intertwined art is with my life? Remember, if even one exception exists to a rule, it is no longer a rule. If art is spirit and spirit is derived of God, then even my art would have to be derived of God...and I can firmly declare it is not, and I have done much thinking on such matters so I dare you to call my stance ignorant.

^ God is life, so the inspiration you get from life is in fact from God. It's the areas of god/life that you find beauty in.

As I said before, you can be spiritually advanced without being aware of gods existance. You can find beauty in life and express those feelings in your own way without being aware of where thebeauty came from.

The more spiritually advanced you are the more beauty you will see, and so the more beauty you are likely to express through art.

So, I knowingly manipulate God while God doesn't exist to me? Sure, whatever. If you want to label life as God, that's up to you. I just call life, life though...it describes itself fine without adding on the bullshit concept of God. I've done plenty of exploring into the divine, I'm not ignorant of beliefs and I'm not close minded to the subject...I've just done my searching already, found no solid answers with ANY god, and have such come to the conclusion life is life and God is a thought that has no bearing on my life. Art is life and derived from life. Life is a system that has sensory capabilities...Art is the senses, not God.

I can very well do without God both in my life and in my painting, but I cannot, suffering as I am, do without something which is greater than I, which is my life -- the power to create."

-Vincent van Gogh, letter to Theo. Art News Annual, 1950