Man im really tired of all these people talking about how LOGICALLY god cant exist... Think outside of your little LOGIC BOX... think theoretically...

Im not trying to start another awesome debate... Being agnostic and all...

Just post whatever

Theoretically, shitting could be expelling the demonic influences of Lucifer from my body...or realistically, a method of removing processed waste from my body because there's no evidence to support it being demonic influences being exorcised.

Theoretically, God could exist...or realistically, one probably doesn't because there's no evidence to support existence.

Logic isn't a weakness unless you take it to such extremes that you begin to violate the basic rules of it to prove something false (which can only be done by proving the contradiction true).

God, logically, can exist. Realistically, not much chance. Though logically, a god may not exist. The reason God might or might not exist is because there's no evidence. Humans have FIVE senses...God, atleast the one described by Christianity, (which I assume you refer to because you talk about them transcending logic...a trait rather exclusive to Islam and Christianity, Judiasm seems to follow equality rather than transcendency) is not seen, heard, tasted, touched, or scented as their tangible form died 2000 years ago.

Tell me now, it may not matter whether it's logical to believe in a god or not to you, nor to myself...but I do tend to believe that which has tangible evidence and not believe that which doesn't. Even things we aren't sure exist in science have tangible evidence and their existence is still questionable by many other scientists as just a few pieces of evidence RARELY point directly to only one answer. Skepticism is NOT a bad thing when there's no evidence...why do you think the motto of the AMerican court system is innocent until proven guilty? Because it makes sense to believe that which can be *gasp* PROVEN WITH EVIDENCE.

Also, I apologize for sounding like a sarcastic ass. Not in a great mood right now.

Gods existance is not Illogical.

Theists just say it's illogical to believe in something that you can't prove, but since you can't prove anything (almost anything) with 100% certainty then perhaps believing in anything is illogical, that's why it's best to leave our current ideas of what is 'logic' aside.

Wow, Jesus fucking Christ I spent several minutes typing that up to explain that the thought isn't that God is illogical, but that God isn't realistic. God is too human to be a God. He's angry, petty, jealeous, evil, kind, loving, humble, and good. He's a dual being just like humans, which makes anyone with reason (not logic, logic is a small part of reason as logic requires solid evidence) think that just maybe us humans needed something to comfort ourselves for awhile because life is just too much for a great deal of us. Reasonably, not logically, God was imagined because humans aren't ready to accept full responsibility for their actions and existence...we need a confidant that is always there, and we don't usually realize that it's ourselves that is the ultimate confidant while attributing it to God. Power comes from within, not from a concept that, while logically possible, is absurd.

If we are going to throw out logic when discussing the Christian god(or any others), we can say that he exists and doesn't exist at the same time so everyone's correct.

saying that god is logical is like saying that invisable pixies live under my bed. now fucking prove me wrong. pixies live under my bed...

God only transcends logic insomuch as pixies do. Neither is logically true or false as logic can only prove a false by proving the contradiction (not the opposite) true. Being as neither is a tangible concept (the pixies could be invisible), they are both logically POSSIBLY, but both entirely absurd.

quote:Originally posted by whateva:

saying that god is logical is like saying that invisable pixies live under my bed. now fucking prove me wrong. pixies live under my bed...

It can never be pvoven to you. You must seek that knowledge yourself.

quote:Originally posted by Hexadecimal:

God is too human to be a God. He's angry, petty, jealeous, evil, kind, loving, humble, and good.

This is an accurate depiction of the christian God, but what do you say to those who feel that if a God exists he is beyond that kind of stuff as he simply sees every moment as neccessary towards the future.

I myself believe that God pretty much doesn't care what we do because he knew we were gonna do it 10,000 years ago, hes gonna know we did it 10,000 years from now and at every point he thinks back on it he will simply see it as something that had to happen for the future as he sees it, to occur. So basically if it didn't happen the future would be different from the way he sees it, and it doesn't work like that.

So, if hes some guy up there and couldn't care less about what we do, does that increase his likelihood of existing realistically?

By the looks of things, yes. But if an omniscient God actually punished creations for stuff they cannot stop from happening, then it ceases to have any realistic points at all. While less absurd in the case of believing god doesn't care what we do as it's all a necessity to the future, it's still not REALLY reasonable to believe one exists, as somethign which has no bearing on you shouldn't even be in your thoughts, hehe.

On a note close to the original topic:

I was backstabbed by a friend a few days ago. Logically, this is supposed to benefit them to some point and harm me to some point, which SHOULD, logically, cause some distress in me. That would also be reasonable, but it's also reasonable for logic to be abandoned in this case and for me to just not give a shit what they do because a backstabbing friend isn't worth caring about http://www.totse.com/bbs/smile.gif (http://www.totse.com/bbs/smile.gif) Logic is only one factor of reason. Logically, God can exist; reasonably, it doesn't matter whether they do or don't exist because whether we believe they do or don't, it has no effect on the actuallity of existence or the lack of a role in our everyday life. Reasonably, something which affects nothing doesn't exist...I see no reason in believing a god exists because it doesn't affect me whether one exists or not. That's a bit logic, mostly reason. http://www.totse.com/bbs/smile.gif (http://www.totse.com/bbs/smile.gif)

yeah thats basically what i was getting at...

Realistically if you think about science and evolution and stuff like that god cant exist according to you..

If you believe then you believe... God doesnt have to be logic... God doesnt have to be proven...

If there is a god there is... if there isnt there isnt..

we will all find out when we die i guess..