I know I'll probably get super flamed for this because it's the oldest question ever, but I haven't seen it since I started coming here. Yeah, so I've heard a few really interesting explainations about dinosaurs from christians and was wondering how those in here explain why they weren't mentioned in the bible.

Mate, we're dealing with a deity who thinks creating the abomination that is humanity classes as quality entertainment. such a being is not above shoving in some fake bones to get some kicks and the opportunity to send a few other buggers to hell for using "logic".

Or maybe they just screwed up a little. A race of two-story lizards, no biggie right?

Some people claim the Bible does mention dinosaurs. It makes reference to "Leviathan", dragons, etc. Biblical literalists claim that dinosaurs lived with humans and that some breathed fire.

^^^ yeah, those are the people who think all the fossils sitting around were caused by noahs ark. Perhaps they should learn how fossils are formed.

I've heard some say that God put the bones there to test the faith of Christians. The Christian God seems to need quite a bit of validation, doesn't he?

I've also heard people say the devil put them there. He was banished to hell for all of etnirty, wasn't he?

quote:Originally posted by Froonhed:

I know I'll probably get super flamed for this because it's the oldest question ever, but I haven't seen it since I started coming here. Yeah, so I've heard a few really interesting explainations about dinosaurs from christians and was wondering how those in here explain why they weren't mentioned in the bible.

the bible was written within the last

6,000

years... the last dinosaur died about

64,994,000

years before the bible.

The most obvious reason for the bible not mentioning dinosaurs at all is that when the bible was written (now get this) there was no knowledge of dinosaurs!. Leviathans and fire lizards and all that awesomeness was purely mythical conjecture.

Anyway, the most common explanation that come sfrom biblical literalists seems to be that the bones were put there to test the faith of Christians against God, which is a pretty lame answer if you ask me.

See, what I find funny is when christians say they died in the flood.

You all know about the water dinosaurs, right? Like, big lizard-sharks and shit like that?

Well, how the hell would the flood have killed water dwelling creatures? There would still be large lizards roaming the water, and we would know if there were by now.



And, say they evolved into our modern sharks. That throws christianity out the window entirely then, because apparently evoloution is impossible, to them god made everything http://www.totse.com/bbs/rolleyes.gif (http://www.totse.com/bbs/rolleyes.gif)



-MD

Metal_Demon, look up the coelecanth. (my spelling may be a bit off) it was a fish that was thought to have died off long, long ago; in modern times, it was caught and rediscovered. yet, for thousands of years we didn't even know that there were any around. there are still surprises waiting for us out there in the ecosystem.

i've heard that crocodiles and turtles (memory may be a bit flawed here, too) have existed, essentially unchanged, since well before the die-off of their big buddies.

the best methods i've seen for dealing with the "dinosaur problem" mostly involve calling the process of fossilization and the dating techniques into question.

*shrug*

[This message has been edited by ashesofzen (edited 01-30-2004).]

You guys missed my point, I wanted to hear some of the explainations from christians, not people who already have a clue. Meh, I'm over it now.

quote:Originally posted by deptstoremook:

Anyway, the most common explanation that come sfrom biblical literalists seems to be that the bones were put there to test the faith of Christians against God, which is a pretty lame answer if you ask me.

"Fundamentalist Christians believe the world is 12 thousand years old. I asked this guy, I said: "Come on, man, dinosaur fossils. What's the deal?" He goes, "God put those here to test our faith.".

"I think God put you here to test my faith, dude.". Does that bother anyone, the idea that GOD might be fucking with our heads?! Anyone having trouble sleeping restfully with that thought in their head? God's running around burying fossils.

"Ho, ho.. we'll see who believes in me now! Ho, ho, I'm a prankster God! I am killing me!". You know... you die, you go to St. Peter. "Did you believe in dinosaurs?" "Well, yeah, there was fossils everywhere!". *gunshot* "Aaahhhh!".

"What are you, and idiot? God was FUCKING with you!! Giant, flying, lizards... you moron! That's one of God's EASIEST jokes!" "It seemed do plausible. AAAAHHHHHH!". Bound for the lake of fire."

When speaking in reference to dinosaurs I tend to take the scientific stance just because it seems the most plausible. But, I have no problem accepting the possibility that dinosaurs coexisted with humans and some flew and breathed fire.

*shrug* Why not. While I'm at it, I wouldn't be too shocked to find out ghosts, unicorns, gnombs, fairies, aliens from outer space, or the loch ness monster exist or have existed. Frankly, it's a strange world I live in and while I'd be surprised to find a little winged woman sitting on the edge of my window I wouldn't find it too unbeliveable to comprehend.

In fact, it's happened before. But, then again, I skitzophrenic. I'm used to seeing random "hallucinations".

The only thing I really doubt is the accounts of an ancient race of people with their faces in their bellies.

Cheers,

Lost

Dinosaurs never existed. However, there is a fiery pit near the center of the earth where bad people go.

quote:Originally posted by Garrison:

Dinosaurs never existed. However, there is a fiery pit near the center of the earth where bad people go.

dinosaurs existed, that's a fact. There's also a strong possiblity that you have been sniffing way to much paint fumes. http://www.totse.com/bbs/biggrin.gif (http://www.totse.com/bbs/biggrin.gif)



[This message has been edited by Oblivion531 (edited 01-31-2004).]

quote:Originally posted by ashesofzen:

i've heard that crocodiles and turtles (memory may be a bit flawed here, too) have existed, essentially unchanged, since well before the die-off of their big buddies.

A coelecanth or a turtle is a hell of a lot different from a 14m plesiosaur or kronosaurus. We would have evidence by now of their existence (besides a few blurry photos of the Loch Ness monster, of course...)

quote:Originally posted by Dark_Magneto:

"Fundamentalist Christians believe the world is 12 thousand years old. I asked this guy, I said: "Come on, man, dinosaur fossils. What's the deal?" He goes, "God put those here to test our faith.".

"I think God put you here to test my faith, dude.". Does that bother anyone, the idea that GOD might be fucking with our heads?! Anyone having trouble sleeping restfully with that thought in their head? God's running around burying fossils.

"Ho, ho.. we'll see who believes in me now! Ho, ho, I'm a prankster God! I am killing me!". You know... you die, you go to St. Peter. "Did you believe in dinosaurs?" "Well, yeah, there was fossils everywhere!". *gunshot* "Aaahhhh!".

"What are you, and idiot? God was FUCKING with you!! Giant, flying, lizards... you moron! That's one of God's EASIEST jokes!" "It seemed do plausible. AAAAHHHHHH!". Bound for the lake of fire."



That's got to be the funniest and most incoherent ramblings ever...and it still makes more sense than most people's explanations of fossils. Are you drunk?

quote:Originally posted by Craftian:

A coelecanth or a turtle is a hell of a lot different from a 14m plesiosaur or kronosaurus. We would have evidence by now of their existence (besides a few blurry photos of the Loch Ness monster, of course...)

Don't they like have fossils and skeletons of these creatures in museum's? If that's not evidence of their existence what is?

Who ever just said dinosaurs never existed, please kill your self, before you spread any more of this loathsome propaganda.

quote:Originally posted by Hexadecimal:

That's got to be the funniest and most incoherent ramblings ever...and it still makes more sense than most people's explanations of fossils. Are you drunk?

he's quoting Bill Hicks

quote:Originally posted by KillSwitch_J:

Don't they like have fossils and skeletons of these creatures in museum's? If that's not evidence of their existence what is?

Sorry, I didn't word that very well. It sounded like ashesofzen was implying that water-dwelling dinosaurs are still around, we just haven't found them yet.

Yes, we have fossilized remains of those dinosaurs, we know they once existed (but there is no reason to think they still do).

i was saying it was possible.

i agreee with you though, it is a bit unlikely that a t. rex will come tromping into new york c. for new years.

O my, that was funny.

*giggles*

Cheers,

Lost

That's got to be the funniest and most incoherent ramblings ever...and it still makes more sense than most people's explanations of fossils. Are you drunk?

the ramblings still also make more sense than most christians explanations of why there werent any dinos too

http://www.answersingenesis.org/docs2/4316news5-31-2000.asp

there you go, that might give you some kind of answer... I haven't read it myself, so it might be complete bullcrap, but I thought I'd share

Yeah, i thought alot of Christians calculated the world to be 4000yrs old (from addding up the lifespans given in genesis up to the nearest historically assertainable dates). The levithan and that i think was from the egyptian for the crocadile or hipopotamus. Apparently theres a reference to "dinosaurs" in one of Paul's letters in the New Testament, im not familiar with it and it sounds pretty sketchy.

I don't buy into the "fossils to test faith" argument, it definately doesn't sound like the God i know, but hey, even if it was who are we tell him hes wrong? (Although that could be a rationalistaion for my lack of faith...!)Either way God has given us minds and eyes to use and to explore and seek to understand our world.

Well im posting this in two threads cause its appropriate and i am lazy.

http://www.totse.com/en/religion/christianity/161893.html

Thoughts?

quote:Originally posted by Dark_Magneto:

"Fundamentalist Christians believe the world is 12 thousand years old. I asked this guy, I said: "Come on, man, dinosaur fossils. What's the deal?" He goes, "God put those here to test our faith.".

"I think God put you here to test my faith, dude.". Does that bother anyone, the idea that GOD might be fucking with our heads?! Anyone having trouble sleeping restfully with that thought in their head? God's running around burying fossils.

"Ho, ho.. we'll see who believes in me now! Ho, ho, I'm a prankster God! I am killing me!". You know... you die, you go to St. Peter. "Did you believe in dinosaurs?" "Well, yeah, there was fossils everywhere!". *gunshot* "Aaahhhh!".

"What are you, and idiot? God was FUCKING with you!! Giant, flying, lizards... you moron! That's one of God's EASIEST jokes!" "It seemed do plausible. AAAAHHHHHH!". Bound for the lake of fire."



I was thinking of putting that until I read your post. I would have given him credit though.

This thread is proof that there are no Christians on this forum (except me of course, and I'm fucking brilliant <- typical, christian egotism).

Here's a verse for some of you.

Job 40:15 (KingJamesVersion)

"Behold, Be'hemoth, which I made as I made you; he eats grass like an ox. Behold, his strength in his loins, and his power in the muscles of his belly. He makes his tail stiff like a cedar; the sinews of his thighs are knit together. His bones are tubes of bronze, his limbs like bars of iron. "He is the first of the works of God;

Sounds like a dinosaur to me. Jesus Christ, those Christians are so fucking stupid they don't even think dinosaurs exist!

Thanks Again,

TheBishop

quote:Originally posted by Dualtenz:

I was thinking of putting that until I read your post. I would have given him credit though.

Sorry, I was in a hurry when I posted that, but the quotation marks should have been a giveaway.

quote:Originally posted by inquisitor_11:

Yeah, i thought alot of Christians calculated the world to be 4000yrs old (from addding up the lifespans given in genesis up to the nearest historically assertainable dates).

Correct me if im wrong, but weren't the Jews around before that (like 5936 B.C.E)?

quote:Originally posted by Unlucky:

Correct me if im wrong, but weren't the Jews around before that (like 5936 B.C.E)?

Yeah, but since when did a little detail like that ever stop them?

The worst people are those who don't even know about their own damn faith.

Why would God try to test the faith of humans? He's the one who believes in us! Satans who speil was that he thought humans weren't worthy. After the war, God sent him to hell, and told him to try to prove it. Satan would be the one trying to fuck with us, not God. Ignorant, fucking, jackasses.

quote:Originally posted by Unlucky:

Correct me if im wrong, but weren't the Jews around before that (like 5936 B.C.E)?

I think they believe the world's about 12000 years old not 4000, not that it matters both numbers are pretty stupid.

i heard 6000 years old from creationists

It depends on what group of Creationists you're talking to.

Numbers range from 6000 years to 10000.

Then there are the Old Earth Creationists who think that the universe is exactly as old as it seems (ah, so God deliberately made it so that there would be no evidence of its existence... how obvious...)

I was reading this thread, then someone brought up dinosaurs.

I myself never have read a bible or know much, but there has to be a god of some sort, unless we exist just because we do.



but its funny we have evidence for dinosaurs and they are millions of years old but their is no hard compelling hit you in the face so no one would question faith, kinda truth to back up the worthy word of god.

I'm not really sure what your saying oneMulatto. That last sentence should've been like 3 sentences.

Are you saying that dinosaurs are really old, and we have proof that they existed, but God is really old and we have no proof that she/he/it existed?

Or are you saying that we think dinosaurs existed, but the truth is cloudy enough that religion can carefully skirt the issue?

What I was trying to prove up above is that the bible not only says dinosaurs existed, but that they were created BEFORE humans. The fact that we've uncovered dinosaurs a thousand years after the bible existed is just another case of archeology proving the bible's case/legitamacy.

all i was trying to say is that as old as dinosaurs are, there is lock hard evidence to back them up.



and for god being as old as he is, no evidence on him other then books.