Agnostic - one who questions the existince of god (just for those who didnt know) well anyways, i think that whether they know it or not, everyonese agnostic. No matter what u tell me, i will not believe that there is anyone out there who is a total athiest. to do so is also to say that everything is finite. ex. if you are so positive that god doesnt exist, it means that you believe that in the full extense of the universe there is not a single being that may have created it. Sure it seems unlikely but that has nothing to do with it. but dont worry, im not athiest bashing. at least not only that. all those people who go to church every sunday, and pay to get yourself into a place that no one has ever proven exists is extremely stupid. i think in the whole scheme of things, our existance, even the existance of the whole planet is totally inconsequential.

Anyways, the more i think about this, the more i contradict myself, so just tell me what u think. btw, yah i know im a nub and this sounds like its coming from a moron, but dont give me that bullshit, just tell me what u think of the topic.

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Most atheists do not claim to know that no gods exist; they simply have no reason to believe in them.

Your definition of "agnostic" is a bit wanting as well.

If I claimed there was a gigantic space slug living in my closet, would you believe me, think I was full of shit or claim to be agnostic about space slugs?

actually, atheists do claim to know no gods exist. your definition, craftian, is describing agnostics.

Atheist.

A-theist.

Not theist.

theist = having a belief in god(s)

Not theist = not having a belief in god(s)

I'd hardly call "not having a belief in a god(s)" the same as "believing no gods exist"

i know 100% that ther is no god

the idea of god makes no sense

its just stupid

i KNOW that beyond a doubt ther is no god, no aferlife, no supernatural, and that makes me feel better.

i feel better because im a decent human being not because seomthing is telling me what to do or else you will sufer later. Its called law and order, its called bettering yourself just to better yourself.

anyone who believes in god is a tool.

Agnostic is a terribly and widely defined term, but let's look at what the person who coined it (Thomas Huxley) has to say about it:

quote:The one thing in which most of these good people were agreed was the one thing in which I differed from them. They were quite sure that they had attained a certain "gnosis"...So I took thought, and invented what I conceived to be the appropriate title of "agnostic". It came into my head as suggestively antithetic to the "gnostic" of Church history, who professed to know so much about the very things of which I was ignorant...

Gnostics are people who claim to have hidden knowledge revealed to them. An agnostic makes no such claims.

Back to atheism; people who claim to know that no gods exist are a very small subgroup of atheists and (as far as I have seen) tend to be ranting crackpots.

So, kevinboyd; when I say I am an atheist, yes, I probably mean the same thing as you mean by agnostic. However, my definitions are properly aligned with their Greek origins, and I also don't end up looking like a nancyboy who won't call a spade a spade.

Either way know one can say anything for a fact. Along the same lines in the teachings of Confusious we can not rely on past experiences to precdict the future, he uses the example that if you drop a pebble and it falls to the floor the next time it may rise to the heavens. (sorry about the heavens bit just refering to up)

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quote:From Dictionary.com:

ag·nos·tic ( P ) Pronunciation Key (g-nstk)

n.

One who believes that it is impossible to know whether there is a God.

One who is skeptical about the existence of God but does not profess true atheism.

One who is doubtful or noncommittal about something.

a·the·ism ( P ) Pronunciation Key (th-zm)

n.

Disbelief in or denial of the existence of God or gods.

The doctrine that there is no God or gods.

Godlessness; immorality.



Eat that Craftian. Next time, know your definitions.

quote:Originally posted by WarKrisMagic:

a·the·ism ( P ) Pronunciation Key (th-zm)

n.

Disbelief in or denial of the existence of God or gods.

quote:From Dictionary.com:

dis·be·lief ( P ) Pronunciation Key (dsb-lf)

n.

Refusal or reluctance to believe.

Atheists are reluctant to believe in the existence of God or gods.

Not a perfect definition, but close enough.

Note that this in no way implies that atheists claim to know no gods exist.

quote:Eat that Craftian. Next time, know your definitions.

Next time make sure your source actually agrees with you. Ass.

i think we all are

its easier to not believe in God than it is to believe