I'm sick of people telling me to respect their beliefs, or to respect the beliefs of others.

Now, I am not prejudicial against your beliefs or those of others. Quite the opposite; I am fully open-minded, as I am of all theories.

However, I do not give my respect blindly, to beliefs or anything else. In my mind, respect must be earned or it is not truly respect.

The beliefs that I am told to respect have no merit. While I give them equal chance, they do not earn my respect. I will treat them as they merit: as silly stories with far too great an impact on society.

This is not an act of disrespect; it is merely a legitemate lack of respect. After all, you don't usually have a lot of respect for the crackhead spouting gibberish in the back-alley...

There are certain beliefs that I believe have absolutely no merit, but I still respect them because some people really find a lot of solace in them and anything that makes people feel good, I think, deserves at least the respect of my silence.

Cheers,

Lost

I think that if everyone respected everyone elses beliefs, there would be a lot less problems in the world. Like, if early Christians had more respect for the beliefs of nonChristians, the crusades never would have happened. Like everyone having a lack of respect for Islam, a lot of people or prejudiced of other people because of their religion or other silly little things. I believe that religions are silly and a waste of time, but I do respect a lot of people who are very religious. It is truly sad though that some religions are forced on the minds of young children and instilled in their minds before they have had a chance to establish their own beliefs, especially when those religions insist on the fact that the people who follow that religion are the only people who have a valid religious belief and that the rest are worshipping "false gods" or "satan". I say that if you took the church out of christianity, it would be a very good belief system. For some.

I respect the people who hold the beliefs (and pity them a little). I simply do not respect the beliefs themselves.

I will admit, for some people they do offer comfort. Personally, I'd rather know the bitter truth than be wrapped in warm, fuzzy lies.

I remember reading or hearing about this aid worker in some African backwater who came from the relativist "there is no wrong beliefs, all opinions are valid, etc".

That all changed when she saw a female circumcision first hand.

Some beliefs are more fucked up than others.

blackheartqueen, the crusades were defensive wars against a disunited enemy, not simply 'a matter of lack of respect'.

You do know that there are different types of Christians, for example Anglicans recognise the other big religions as acceptable counterparts that lead to God. Some of the protestant sects have indeed taken the 'church' as you put it out of Christianity and concentrate on good works among the poor and untermenschens.

quote:Originally posted by zorro420:

I respect the people who hold the beliefs (and pity them a little). I simply do not respect the beliefs themselves.

I will admit, for some people they do offer comfort. Personally, I'd rather know the bitter truth than be wrapped in warm, fuzzy lies.

Well, that's you, isn't it.

Cheers,

Lost

zorro420, I have nothing to add to this but would just like to mention that I agree with you wholeheartedly and like the way you think, except for respecting the people who hold the beliefs, as I don't respect belief at all, I respect analysis of information.

quote:Originally posted by zorro420:

I'm sick of people telling me to respect their beliefs, or to respect the beliefs of others.

Now, I am not prejudicial against your beliefs or those of others. Quite the opposite; I am fully open-minded, as I am of all theories.

However, I do not give my respect blindly, to beliefs or anything else. In my mind, respect must be earned or it is not truly respect.

The beliefs that I am told to respect have no merit. While I give them equal chance, they do not earn my respect. I will treat them as they merit: as silly stories with far too great an impact on society.

This is not an act of disrespect; it is merely a legitemate lack of respect. After all, you don't usually have a lot of respect for the crackhead spouting gibberish in the back-alley...

Wonderfull!

i couldn't have said it better myself!!!!

//Do'h!!!//

quote:Originally posted by blackheartqueen:

Like, if early Christians had more respect for the beliefs of nonChristians, the crusades never would have happened.

or if the non christians had more respect for christians they wouldnt have gone Tony Soprano on their asses.... hehehehe

non-christians did have respect for christians. People like St.Augustine (women hater) perverted the words of Jesus (pacifist who actually had "unclean" women in his circle).

Pagan and Proud

Christianity has no respect for other religions it denounces them all is evil manifestations of the devils will

now thats a diss

Jesus was a peaceful man and im sick off people perverting his will and messages to suit their need.

"Jesus was a peaceful man"

Im sick of people quoting popular opinions about historical figures (and the Son of God) without actualling reading the accounts/ history of their lives, to suit their own ideas and presuppositions.

Im also sick of broad generalisations about "the Church" and "Christianity" and the great presuppostion that Christianity has been thoroughly PROVEN wrong/flase/bunk, and that all those who claim to follow Christ are delluded fools and that all we do is sit around and denounce everyone else and point the flaming finger of smite at everyone.

Actually, tomorrow morning after i get all the money out of the collection plate that i extorted from people by telling them God would forgive them when they give money to me, im going to go shoot some abortionists, rape some catholic kids, declare war on iraq, cover myself with cannabis oil while burning a few high school science textbooks, and bury my head in the sand proclaiming that Jesus is coming back next thursday so we should all drink some arsenic and be ready. Right after i slaughter some abos, jews, women, homosexuals and write my own interpretation of the bible where this is all legit, proclaming myself to be the current authority in Biblical critcism, regaining the "historical Jesus" back for myself, just before i remind myself:

Hold on though, its all myths and fairtales"

FUCK

Do u not see that sooooo many people here come laden with years worth of presuppositions and programming against "religion"- especially those of us coming from religious backgrounds. Do u think that christians do not see what their past and present includes? Do u think we are all blind to see what is being done in "God's name"? WAKE UP we know better than anyone else what goes on! And it shits us severly.

I am sick of christians being everything but what Christ intended... and that includes myself.

I believe i was entitled to one rant, so there it is.

Can i be first to move this to bitch and moan?

quote:Originally posted by inquisitor_11:

Do u not see that sooooo many people here come laden with years worth of presuppositions and programming against "religion"

I can only speak for myself, but I definitely never had "years worth of programming against religion". My father was a lay preacher, my mother taught Sunday School, I went to church every Sunday for 15 years.

quote:Do u think that christians do not see what their past and present includes? Do u think we are all blind to see what is being done in "God's name"?

I did, actually, until I read this. Thank you for clearing up that point.