i'd just like to know, how many people believe in the bible as it is written. not stuff like each day represents 1 million years or something. im talking mainly about the old testiment and how the world was created but this also applies to the new testement.

i don't know if its just me but i get extremely pissed off how people still believe in all that crap, when there is so much evidence that all religions are mostly a load of shit. just the fact that there ARE so many religions proves my point. and cristiananity has no mention of how the mongoloids were created, and buddism has no mention of how the negroids were created. to me its very obvious that if there is no scientific evidence around for how things were formed/created/exist.. whatever, then people create there own religion to explain it.

im not saying there is no god or some kind of superbeing (but if there is its definitly not how any religion has portrayed it), but all this shit about how the world was created is just that, shit. its not just cristianity but all religions make up crap to explain stuff they don't understand. i guess no one wants to except that we all decended from apes.

i went a bit off the topic there, but yea, is there anyone here that believes what the bible says even though science has proven many things wrong?

we don't descend from apes! we have a common ancestor. not that many people take the bible word for word, they see it as metaphor. except americans and other extremist countries like Afganistan was.who knows maybe in 2000 years time people might find a copy of the lord of the rings, and base a religion on it, and maybe in 10000 years people might even find the conservative manifesto and believe it was real!!!

quote:Originally posted by Wack0:

cristiananity has no mention of how the mongoloids were created

By old people who shouldn't be having babies, as a result of an extra chromosome.

AHAHAHA! Damn, I crack me up.

Gotta love a word that has become extremely derogatory towards both mentally insufficients and east asians...

Hmm, well, I'd say that i believe the bible. With that said, I'm sure there's an example you could give that i would say, "the new Testament negates that" or "that's not literal". I DONT believe we decesended from apes, and neither did Darwin on his deathbed. I do believe in adaptation, which i guess is evolution.

As for the "created in 6 days thing", i think that's definitly possible without saying that it was actually a million years. Maybe god moves ultra-fast! Like with a speed-hack. Anyway, Genesis isn't the whole story, you can tell because in Job (i believe in chapter 40) God shows Job a dinosaur which he says "[is] among the first creations of god".

So yeah, I believe in the bible, but sometimes i suspect parts of it favor simplicity and understandability to giving the whole story.

The bible is bullshit, contradictory, and more rubbish. But it has a point in people should be good. Its called life, life has to live with life. Animals and plants continue to change, striving to still exist.

Where is it contradictory?

theBishop, a lot of people miss an important point that the New Testament was to 'correct' errors in the Old Testament, and to give the new rules and ways now that there was a Messiah to save whomever or whatnot. Still though, I think the bible is too farfetched and is still just a fiarytale with a good moral point.

i believe in the morals that were presented throughout the bible, in all the 66 books it has.

i believe that the bible was created a long time ago to try and help us find ourselves, however the interpretations which have lead to our society's religious structure (i point primarily towards catholocism) have been widely abused for the agenda of man: ie some figureheads in society for a long time have used the biblical message to push their own selfish agenda. Unfortunately this is disillusioning.

the bible was written a long long time ago, for an audience of a past era, to try to get through to them a message of kindness and compassion. we can still take most if not all of the morals presented in the bible and apply them in our lives today - if chosen to do so.

I was a christian, however the religious structure i belonged to had too many loopholes and hypocritical moments.. common sense yet again intervening, and thus, my own spiritual and emotional development through looking into myself for answers, have both thrived... i must say much more than had i remained a part of the christian faith.

the heirachy that most religions have turned to is in my eyes, a hypocritical abuse of the power of the self. promoting fear to get one to view your way is very, very wrong. but it seems to have worked very well thus far hasnt it?

take the age the bible was written over, the humans back then havent seen as advanced technology as we have etc, were quite primitive in comparison to us. take the knowledge of science back then, say astrology, where the earth came from, the big bang etc. Was that kind of philosophy entered into widely back then? or say, even the research into it? http://www.totse.com/bbs/smile.gif (http://www.totse.com/bbs/smile.gif) Say you were trying to reach an audience of all age groups and creeds in those days. The explaination of the origin of existence is usually the first place to start.

Now say, to fully encompass the entire physicis of " creation " - consider it, say a " big bang " - in an interesting manner that would appeal to such a wide audience so that it could be understood by all would mean everyone spending years and years of mathematical learning and scientific theory etc. Hard.

but what say, if you could make a story in which the creation of existence is relatively simple, yet vague enough to leave room for speculation - put it in the context of " god created heavens and the earth in 6 days - and on the seventh he rested " ?

people in that age would have awed and wondered over just how much power that was, and perhaps ultimately begin to believe in what the bible said.

after all " I am the Alpha, and the Omega " - could 6 days for god be billions of years for us?

what did einstein say? something about the more he looked into the universe the more he began to believe in a higher power. perhaps science cannot explain all, just yet, and maybe we have to look somewhere else for the answers.

this is all speculation for now... the answers will be provided in death http://www.totse.com/bbs/smile.gif (http://www.totse.com/bbs/smile.gif)

Bible's a pretty good story as a kid... in fact, God is still my favourite fictional character.

Oh and btw, how can you believe in a Bible that says, basically "Be a Good Jew (refering to Old Testament) Or We'll Fucking Stone You To Death"

quote:Originally posted by hangingtree:

Oh and btw, how can you believe in a Bible that says, basically "Be a Good Jew (refering to Old Testament) Or We'll Fucking Stone You To Death"

Because it's sitting on my desk right now.

I can see it, touch it, smell it, why wouldn't I believe in it?

quote:Originally posted by Wack0:

and buddism has no mention of how the negroids were created.

Well...Buddhism has no mention about any creation of caucasoids, mongloids, negroids, or any other -oid, or a planet, or a universe, or anything as trivial as that. Buddhism has no creation theory and most Buddhists dont find fault with modern scientific findings about our world. I mean, its just really not that important.

But maybe in this "buddist" religion they do have a creation tale, but that wouldn't make sense to leave out negroids, just look at the Rastafarians.*

*If you got that, i'm sorry.

Perhaps the only thing the bible got right was the theory of creation.. but even then they had to taint it and cast a role for a god that shouldn't be speaking.

Let there be light? Yes, it happened that way.

quote:Originally posted by The_Rabbi:

I can see it, touch it, smell it, why wouldn't I believe in it?[/B]

I can see, touch and smell the Bhagavad Gita; does this mean I should believe in Lord Krishna?

I think a lot of people's problem with christianity comes from people who use their "righteousness" as an excuse to judge people. Which is really not WJWD ;-). Also, the priests touching the little boys doesn't help. However, i think it's important to seperate the bible from the people practicing the religion.

If by "judge people" you mean "impose their will upon", then yes.

I don't care what wacky things you believe* as long as you don't use them as an excuse to do harm to others (and I use the term "harm" in a broad sense; crippling science and denying homosexuals their rights, etc. count as harm)

*Actually, I do care what things you believe; I'm extremely disappointed that we live in the 21st century and people still believe weird crap without any reason. However, I have the sense to accept your right to believe it.

I believe the Bible's a pretty gripping piece of historical fiction. The story of a crumbling empire desperately trying to quell a rebellion led by a charismatic preacher remains vivid to this day. I find the way actual historical events were "adapted" by Jesus's marketing team really fascinating.

All the "word of God" stuff isn't as intersting. I listen to Diety when (s)he talks to me directly, not through an interpreter.

quote:Originally posted by Craftian:

I can see, touch and smell the Bhagavad Gita; does this mean I should believe in Lord Krishna?

No.

I think you've confused believing in the bible with believing in the bible.

the bible is made up of several versions dating back 1000's of years, none of which have faded out, realisicly. ou have the jewish version, the hebrew (torah) bible, st james bible, modern day bible. So in effect you have 3 religions following the same texts. You then take the UK, 56 million, the us, a lot of people, and europe. So ur talking 2 billion at least if not more

I dont take the bible literally. A lot of Christians including Catholics dont believe that it has oto be taken literally. the people who do are called evangelical. Although there is some evidence to support the fact that our universe is younger than evolution or the big bang would say. For example if our universe was really that old then there should have been a mountain of dust on the moon and infact there was only a few inches. Maybe they didn't land on the moon but thats a different story.

quote:Originally posted by Lucky:

Although there is some evidence to support the fact that our universe is younger than evolution or the big bang would say. For example if our universe was really that old then there should have been a mountain of dust on the moon and infact there was only a few inches.

That moon dust story is crap. (http://www.talkorigins.org/indexcc/CE/CE101.html)

Show me that the moon dust story is crap

quote:Originally posted by Lucky:

Show me that the moon dust story is crap

Look at what craftian wrote, see "the moon dust story is crap" or whatever it says? There's a reason its green, bcuz its a link, click it, jackass

It is a great book of Magick, all those people believing in it has set up a huge and powerful archetype that can be tapped into at will!

There is a whole page in totse listing the contradictions. I took 4 days to go through it with my bible - they are all true!



quote:Originally posted by theBishop:

Where is it contradictory?

If it makes you happy, go for it!

My bible I use for reference. It sits in the reference section of my little library along side the koran, the "gita", the satanic bible, the book of mormon, the talmud, the tora, books of natural law and wicca and dictionaries etc (I cant spell worth a damn!)

The funny thing is that since I turned away from christianity, and started investigating other religions, magic, spiritulism, witchdoctering etc, I have truly found enlightnment, and have a very personal relationship with "god" and myself. We are all part of the same energy system, so it does not matter if you are a plant / animal, moslem / jew, christian / satanist etc etc.



The bible is full of contradictions - there is a posting on totse somewhere, I actually verified each one. It took me 4 days!

Post the link governor.

quote:Originally posted by theBishop:

Where is it contradictory?

COMPARE ALL FOUR TESTIMONIES OF "THE SIGN" WHEN JESUS WAS ON THE CROSS, THE INSCRIPTION VARIES IN EACH OF THE FOUR GOSPELS.

MATT 27:37 "THIS IS THE KING OF THE JEWS."

MARK 15:26 "THE KING OF THE JEWS."

LUKE 23:38 "THIS IS THE KING OF THE JEWS." ALTHOUGH THE SAME AS MATHEW, LUKE SAYS THAT IT WAS WRITTEN "IN LETTERS OF GREEK, AND LATIN AND HEBREW,"

JOHN 19:19 "JESUS OF NAZARETH THE KING OF THE JEWS."

^^Jesus was not crucified.

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