What are everyones thoughts on Modern LaVeyan Satanism. Before, you post get a good glimpse of what it really is no its not about satan whorshiping and animal sacrifices. Dont be ignorant, find out what it really is and post here what you think of it. I would like to what you guys think about it.

Organised animalism...nothing more.

In the words of a good friend, "The Church of Satan is bourgeois."

It is the flip side of christianity, nothing more, nothing less. Both are as weak as each other

It is basically an eye for an eye religion. "If you leave me alone, I will leave you alone, if you bug me, I will flatten you" This is how a satanist mate of mine describes it.

Christianity is actually Satanism - look at the facts

1. You worship"god's" son - not god (Why does god have to be separted from us anyway?)

2. You ritually sacrifice the son (HUMAN sacrafice)

3. You ritually eat his flesh and drink his blood (CANNIBALISM)

4. You live in fear hoping some dead spirit will look after you (Subservient fools)

One of the most fucked up religions out

Me,I take full responsability for myself, and dont expect help from nobody, remain true to myself, and if anything sounds like it is telling me what to do I ditch it.

Doubt everything, find your own light.



quote:Originally posted by Ultra Magnus:

What are everyones thoughts on Modern LaVeyan Satanism. Before, you post get a good glimpse of what it really is no its not about satan whorshiping and animal sacrifices. Dont be ignorant, find out what it really is and post here what you think of it. I would like to what you guys think about it.

I think satanism is illogical. If i'm out of line correct me, as i'm not well informed about "enlightened" satanism. Here's my problem.



Satan is a figure in the bible, which is pro-god and anti-Satan. So, in worshipping Satan, you're tacitly acknowledging that God exists, but that you don't follow him. But Satan isn't as powerful as God, as God created Satan. Why would you worship something that by definition is not as powerful as another figure you know exists?

Also, Christians do worship God's Son, but God's son claimed to be god. That's 2/3s of the trinity. I'm not well versed enough to really explain it eloquently, but in worshiping God's son, you're worshiping god.

quote:Originally posted by Craftian:

In the words of a good friend, "The Church of Satan is bourgeois."

Yes, ever since Anton died the church of satan has suxed. In order to be a satnist you dont have to be involve with the church of satan. Its up to the individual.



quote:Originally posted by 666fighter:

It is the flip side of christianity, nothing more, nothing less. Both are as weak as each other

It is basically an eye for an eye religion. "If you leave me alone, I will leave you alone, if you bug me, I will flatten you" This is how a satanist mate of mine describes it.

Christianity is actually Satanism - look at the facts

1. You worship"god's" son - not god (Why does god have to be separted from us anyway?)

2. You ritually sacrifice the son (HUMAN sacrafice)

3. You ritually eat his flesh and drink his blood (CANNIBALISM)

4. You live in fear hoping some dead spirit will look after you (Subservient fools)

One of the most fucked up religions out

Me,I take full responsability for myself, and dont expect help from nobody, remain true to myself, and if anything sounds like it is telling me what to do I ditch it.

Doubt everything, find your own light.





Satanism is NOT at all like christianity. You dont worship any type of god for that matter. You are your own god and you control your life. It basically tells you to think for yourself and not be stupid. Theres no "

Human Sacrifices" or any of that hollywood stereotype. Ive doubt youve read the 11 RULES OF THE EARTH, 9 SATANIC SATEMENTS along with the 9 SATANIC SINS. why do i hear about god and jesus they have nothing to do with modern satanism. Satanists dont believe in a higher power or spiritual pipe dreams. They dont even believe in satan as an actual being. doh

quote:Originally posted by theBishop:

I think satanism is illogical. If i'm out of line correct me, as i'm not well informed about "enlightened" satanism. Here's my problem.



Satan is a figure in the bible, which is pro-god and anti-Satan. So, in worshipping Satan, you're tacitly acknowledging that God exists, but that you don't follow him. But Satan isn't as powerful as God, as God created Satan. Why would you worship something that by definition is not as powerful as another figure you know exists?

Also, Christians do worship God's Son, but God's son claimed to be god. That's 2/3s of the trinity. I'm not well versed enough to really explain it eloquently, but in worshiping God's son, you're worshiping god.

they just use satan as a metaphor/symbolic type thing.

certain satanists do acknowledge his existence though, and are usualy called devil worshippers

Yes, Those satanists do actually believe in Satan a real being/deity They are Traditional Satanists not Modern Satanists

I consider myself a modern Satanist, but here on totse, and a few rooms on IRC are the ony places I can voice this fact, without being labelled a sacrificer of virgins or animals. My Catholic parents 'tolerate' my beliefs, but I get the strong feeling that are hoping its a 'phase', and that I will one day return to the weekly ritual they perpetuate in the hope God will take them to heaven when they die. BUT, I also believe there is something that controls the workings of the universe, whether it is something as simple as one entity playing 'god', or more complex, such as some sort of chaos theory that means after the big bang, everything is set on a path, and merely interacts with everything else until finally coming to rest. I wonder if this makes me a true 'modern satanist' or some sort of mutated branch of satanism...

Satanists are satanists it because they think it makes them daring, original and cool.

I totally would consider myself a LaVey satanist after getting curious about it after seeing the satanist King Diamond (singer in Mercyful Fate,King Diamond) and its not about like sacrificing babies and stuff its all just common sense guidelines

Why bother calling it Satanism if you're not worshipping Satanism. It sounds like a godless, paganism. Or perhaps simply Atheism.

Casual21, pull your head out... Read about what modern satanism is before you judge... theBishop has a good point though, although like I said above, I wouldnt really call myself an athiest...

quote:Originally posted by theBishop:

Why bother calling it Satanism if you're not worshipping Satanism. It sounds like a godless, paganism. Or perhaps simply Atheism.

They probably do it to piss off christians

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Hey there UM

Yes I have read the 11 RULES OF THE EARTH, 9 SATANIC SATEMENTS and the 9 SATANIC SINS. It makes a lot of sense. The point I was trying to make was that the cristians kill their god, and eat him yet they criticise satanists who are not nearly as barbaric, hypocritical and ignorant!

This should piss some folks off.. I used to use it at university when the campus crusade for christ used to try and convert us...

Jesus is the son of god, yet he is god?

yes

Mary is the mother of god?

yes

Well therefore god is a motherfucker....

No offence intended, but it shows how messed up this whole religion thing is!

Have any of you read "Bringers of the Dawn" by Barbara Markiniac? She puts forward the theory that all religion was seeded on this planet millions of years ago by our creator aliens as a way of disempowering us. As good a theory as any of the others I have heard!

Have the best day ever guys and gals!



quote:Originally posted by Ultra Magnus:

Satanism is NOT at all like christianity. You dont worship any type of god for that matter. You are your own god and you control your life. It basically tells you to think for yourself and not be stupid. Theres no "

Human Sacrifices" or any of that hollywood stereotype. Ive doubt youve read the 11 RULES OF THE EARTH, 9 SATANIC SATEMENTS along with the 9 SATANIC SINS. why do i hear about god and jesus they have nothing to do with modern satanism. Satanists dont believe in a higher power or spiritual pipe dreams. They dont even believe in satan as an actual being. doh

Be like me, worship Neptune, all-knowing God of the Seas.

Praise Neptune.

666fighter, how is Satanism not a religion?

Well, I have heard people tell me that Satanism isn't acknowledged a religion because we don't worship any deity or higher being or anything. Stupidest theory that was ever created.

I would consider my self a LaVey Satanist..although at some points when people do bug me, I just pacify and ignore it, but thats because its mostly during school, and if I were to get into a fight, I would get suspended, therefore stopping my education, and I dont see where fighting would benefit me any.

People are pretty ignorant when I tell them that I am a Satanist after they ask me what religion I am..one girl even tried arguing with me that Satanism is about worshipping Satan, and then she started feeling stupid when my friend Roxy got into the argument and helped me defend the religion..but hey, people can't help what is force fed them through the media.

Who was it that sad satan was a pro-god anti satan figure? what the hell? I didn't get his name, but how can satan be anti-satan? just doesn't make sense.

He's definatley not pro-god either.

I said the Bible was pro-god and anti-satan. Sometimes sentences have "context clues" where ambiguity caused by puncuation requires you to use common sense to understand what the writer is trying to say.

It's so anti-satan to have almost omitted him altogether.

I mean we have around two sentances on the guy and he's somehow a bigger scapegoat than Jesus.

You can worship however you want to worship. Although this sounds to me like a bunch of people who are smart enough to see the catholic bull shit (admit it at one time it might have been true, just currupted by man). Yet are stupid enough to keep the name "satinism" and not think that people are going to think that you worship the Satin.

I like the ideas though, i'll keep it in mind. But i'm not going to take it to heart.

The use of the Satan and Black Mass symbology is as a "blasphemy", a tool of religious rejection used to free one's mind from the unconscious beleifs that have been instilled in you since birth by the christion culture of the west.

Other than that, satanism is by the large just a rip off reformulation of Nietzsche's philosophy (Yes I consider myself to be a satanist http://www.totse.com/bbs/smile.gif (http://www.totse.com/bbs/smile.gif) ).

God and Devil..

both nensess..

I'm probably ignorant, but i thought that modern satanism was call satanism because of the whole 'if it feels good, do it' approach to life, and most of the things that feel good are considered "sins" by bible believers. So because they like to sin they called themselves satanists.

the main goal of Satanism is to become as a god. Satan created humans and wanted them to be more than just animals. see www.joyofsatan.com (http://www.joyofsatan.com) for details. NOTE: Satanism is not evil, just non-conformist to the recognised so called 'great faiths'.

Well, I've always felt that modern day satanism shouldn't necessarily be called a "religion". To me it appears to be more of a philosophy of the individual (And a bloody good one at that), LaVey just named it satanism, cause he hated Christianity.

As for my idea of it being a "Philosophy of the individual", you can take the example of LaVey referencing satanic ritual, where he effectively states that it is "Unsatanic", to partake in satanic rituals if you're only doing it to fit in. To this end it's effectively best summed up by Crowley's "Do what thou wilt". Allowing conformity if that is your predisposition, and individuality if that is your desire.

What I am curious about is whether you can actually be a "Good Christian", while following LaVey's satanism. If you're naturally inclined towards Christian ideals then you're being a good satanist if you follow those ideals. I think you can, but hey.

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