http://twm.co.nz/hologram.html

I Found It On The Web?

Cheers,

Lost

^ Oh c'mon this is totally related to this forum.

What Einstein said about communication not being able to exceed the time barrier, therefore can't travel faster than the speed of light was cool.

The info about holograms was fascinating. It must have been a genius who invented them.

I need to read it all in the morning when my minds fresh.

Of course existence cannot be proven, even though Rust says otherwise. And of course the speed of light is not the limit of speed. And 1+1 both equals and does not equal 2. This all follows from the only truth, that nothing else is completely true.

What evidence do you have that nothing except that is true?

The evidence of experience. I mean if I could find one example where this truth is wrong, then that would disprove it. Haven't been able to.

Beyond that I can't, because if there was a standard that you could compare this to, or a light you could hold it up against, then that would be the answer, and the former would be disproven.

So it is appropriate that you can't actually have evidence to prove this. This truth is what everything else is judged by.

So it can't be proved, only disproven. Or to say it another way, to prove or disprove it are the same thing, they both disprove.

You speak in riddles, Chief Make-No-Sense.

Riddles are fun to solve

quote:Originally posted by bkc:

The evidence of experience. I mean if I could find one example where this truth is wrong, then that would disprove it. Haven't been able to.

I have yet to see, for example, that basic arithmetic is not completely true.

Can you give other examples of things that are generally thought to be absolute truh but are not?

quote:Originally posted by Craftian:

I have yet to see, for example, that basic arithmetic is not completely true.

Can you give other examples of things that are generally thought to be absolute truh but are not?

That you are an idiot...j/k.

quote:Originally posted by Craftian:

I have yet to see, for example, that basic arithmetic is not completely true.

Can you give other examples of things that are generally thought to be absolute truh but are not?

Basic arithmetic is true from the viewpoint that you, and the world in general, are looking at it. In other words, when people think of math, they think in terms of perfection. For example, that the quantity "1" can be defined, or measured. And of course that never really happens.

The concept of "1" can be theorized, but that doesn't mean it actually can be found in "reality".

So you are assuming perfection when you speak of math. This is little different than believing in a perfect god.

Math is a model that approximates experience, very closely, and is useful, but can also be deceptive. Math depends on the user assuming perfection, but often the user loses sight that they are assuming this, and forget that actually math is never totally correct. They are looking at math from one viewpoint only, and won't allow others.

Say you are six feet tall, measured extremely accurately, and you say this is absolute truth. I would say I heard that the universe is expanding, (assume its true), and therefore you are bigger than you were 5 minutes ago, but you just can't tell it because the yard stick is expanding too. You were looking at it from the standpoint of the yardstick, and I was looking at it from the viewpoint of the universe. Both answers are true from their respective viewpoints, and both answers are wrong from the other guys viewpoint. And there is always another viewpoint.

Give me some other things that you think are absolutely true and we can see if there is only one way to look at them.

Its basically a case of looking at things from an outside perspective, which in some cases isn't possible. Our minds are bound to this world [for the most part] so we cannot view values and math in a diffeent way. We will always see the same values added together resulting in the same sum because we can't just escape our minds limitations and view the world from a different perspective.

Well maybe we can, but we just don't understand how. None the less, in one sense this means 1+1=2 is true and always will be, because we all see the world from the same prespective and in life we will never experience another one, so to us, in this world, math for the most part is concrete. Should we really worry about what it could be outside of a perspective we can't escape?

quote:Originally posted by SEN D-F:

so we cannot view values and math in a diffeent way. We will always see the same values added together resulting in the same sum because we can't just escape our minds limitations and view the world from a different perspective.

Sure you can

None the less, in one sense this means 1+1=2 is true and always will be, because we all see the world from the same prespective

I just gave a simple explanation of a different way to look at the 1+1=2 question. And we all have different perspectives.

Wouldn't that mean that everything that is considered untrue can also be considered true since all is interconnected? What I mean is that everything that we percieve as real or true here in front of our eyes is nonexistant in somebody else's eyes because they can't see it.

It's the same thing as having different perceptions, different views of the same picture. I can't prove to you that what I know to be true is really true or that what I believe in you should believe in and vice versa.

An almost crazy way of viewing all things, but does not mean that it couldn't be true. I tend to believe that underneath everything, all of what we see, hear, think, etc. is a vast soup of all things; a vast pool of realities, experiences, thoughts, ideas or just the concepts of all things that are, which are then projected outwards and we really only see what we want to see.

[This message has been edited by dizztrezzed (edited 02-29-2004).]

Yes

But that does not mean nothing is useful or beneficial, or that everything is just arbitrary. Choices have to be made. How do you make them?

Thats deep.