Forgive me if somebody made a thread about this but,

Think about this: In the book of Exodus, Moses asks God's name. God says, "I am who I am, tell the Isrealites that 'I am' said..." and so on. If you take the bible at face value and believe in its truth, then you would believe that everything that God says is true or comes about through his will or whatever. The point I'm trying to make is that He says His name is "I am". Wouldn't that imply that He might have created Himself?

Imagine this: In the beginning there was nothing. Then out of the absolute blacknes(or whiteness, grayness, etc.) someone spoke, "I am." And the Lord was.

This is one of the reasons I hate the logic behind meny religions. If you create yourself, you have to be there in order to do it, therefore rendering it impossible. Nothing can't create something.

Believe what you want.

Things are not as simple as black or white.

Gaaah!! The thought is too much!! AAAHHHH my head is gonna blow AAAHHHHH

***BOOOOM***

existence exists

Not if your omnipotent like God he could create himself out of nothing bcause HE is everything and nothing.

If gods can create themselves, then there's no reason there couldn't be an infinite number of gods.

Conversely, if we disreguard thousands of years of bronze-age traditional systematic prepackaged belief systems (just add faith!) for a moment, why couldn't it be that universes create themselves and there are no such thing as gods?

quote:Originally posted by Dark_Magneto:

If gods can create themselves, then there's no reason there couldn't be an infinite number of gods.

Conversely, if we disreguard thousands of years of bronze-age traditional systematic prepackaged belief systems (just add faith!) for a moment, why couldn't it be that universes create themselves and there are no such thing as gods?

Didn't some of those old rabbis (I think Jesus included) say that God was everywhere, that He was <gasp> the universe. Who cares, I just thought I'd bring that little bit to light.

Anyways who says that a lot of different gods didn't create themselves? Maybe the modern gods, Jewish(Yahwe/Jehova/Allah), Buddist, Hindu, etc., just happened to have defeated all of the other gods throughout history like the Christian God defeated the Roman and Aztec gods. A different possibility, no?

Those ancients were brighter than they seemed. They were really into their faiths, and like I said, if you took the bible as truth, you would see another possible answer to the question of where God came from.

If the ancient Jewish rabbis can think of something as simple as this concept, can you imagine what else they could do? Also, the Jewish faith never denied the existance of other gods, it just did not allow Jews to worship them.

God is uncreated, or non-created/creation,

This is one thing many people don't like, and that atheist have correct, God doesn't exist, supposedly when you see you will understand.

But also that S'He is everywhere, see St. Theresa of Avila, or secondly He is EVERYTHING, conversely nothing, being both what can we say?

Sorry to double post but I just saw something is the above post, about saying God was everywhere, specificaly Jesus, who is identified as "The Word" in John 1:1+ which in Greek(the original text) is Logos, which is the concept of a creative intellgence which is a part of all things, and directs/creates all things, this concept can also be found in the Sananta Dharma, I think I have the spelling right, (the books that are the source of 'Hinduism') also in Buddhist Theology/Philosopy, Sufism(subltey in more main stream Ilsam) and also I believe in Judaism, espeicaly Kabblah, of which a lot of Rabbis practice<-sombody will know more about that, have I covered all of the majors yet? I think so, but also I think in many Pagan philosophies.

quote:Originally posted by malaria:

Things are not as simple as black or white.

He wasn't trying to say it was simple as black white etc.

What colour is nothingness?

i cast my vote on Beige

quote:Originally posted by dizztrezzed:

Maybe the modern gods, Jewish(Yahwe/Jehova/Allah), Buddist, Hindu, etc., just happened to have defeated all of the other gods throughout history like the Christian God defeated the Roman and Aztec gods



Buddhists don't believe in God. And also, didn't the Buddha die around 400 or 500 BC, making Buddhism older then Christianity? Hardly a 'modern' religion.

As for the colour of nothingness, it would have no colour. It would have nothing, thats the point. You couldn't see/hear/taste/touch/smell nothingness, it has no physical atributes and nothing we could interact with in any way.

How many enlightened ones are there in the Buddhist religion? I remember it was somewhere around 30, Gotama (I think that's his name) being the most known around the world.