I'm christian. I've come to the conclusion that my god will forgive me should i take my own life. what do you all think? (yes i will eventually blow my brains out with a 12 guage shot gun)

if you think your god won't have a problem with it, then he won't

why are you killing yourself?

quote:Originally posted by SARDONICPILLOW:

if you think your god won't have a problem with it, then he won't

why are you killing yourself?

hmmmm, yeah. people just don't care. i know my family will and all that shit, but I'm tired of living in this ignorant, intolerant, etc... society where I cant live my life the way i want to without people judging me. there are things i love about this world, but they merely mess with my mind cuz they dont last long. i think i will die as a martyr for tolerance and change of society. also, i hope i will get to go to heaven. if i dont and heaven isn't real; wouldn't being taken completely out of existence be better than having to endure this suffering? nearly once a month at school i get the living shit beaten out of me because my conservative, redneck society doesn't like open minded people that are tolerant. ive tried smoking marijuana twice now; its great while it lasts, but afterwards i feel worse than i did before... you may say my suicide is selfish, but i say my family has ignored me. my parents are a bunch of red necks as well, i just wish they would take me for what i am instead of ridiculing me and trying to change me... Totse was kind of a last resort; however, the people here didn't give a shit about what i had to say. so, if the world i live in doesn't care about my existence and id rather be gone than stick around, why should i not kill myself?

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If I recall correctly, Christians believe that when you are saved, you will go to heaven no matter what you do. There is the debate about the unpardonable sin. Some say you can lose your salvation if you commit it. Some say you were never saved in the first place if you commit it. Anyways, that sin is denying God, (I think) so you should be safe with the suicide thing either way.

Happy shooting and God bless!! http://www.totse.com/bbs/smile.gif (http://www.totse.com/bbs/smile.gif)

People don't want to get rid of thier ignorance, thats not easy to understand but people have to. People are always going to judge. Sounds like you have committed thought crime, true there is no gov. ban on it. But society hates it.

Heaven and Hell don't exist just designed to keep you in line. Hell by a philisophical standing would mean pushing the same rock up a hill for all of eternity. This life over, and over, and over. And i fear my life more than my death.

"That which increases knowledge, increases saddness."

Why you shouldn't kill yourself, i wish i could answer that for you. i can mearly suggest a philosophy that has helped me. if god has infinte amount of wisdom and knowledge, how could you communicate with it. when i talk to an "ignoramus" or "redneck" about a philosophy they give me a blank stare. And then usually say something to the extent of your crazy or better yet just laugh at me. yeah it hurts but i know that there are somethings in this world where i do the exact same thing. A "friend" was talking to me about something and i knew my mind wasn't fully comprehending it so i ended up laughing. i did want to understand, yet my mind wasn't grasping. Its like in the movie DOGMA your head will explode when you even talk to god. well sorta. But that is the only way i could ever comprehend rejecting god, if you couldn't understand. your on your way to even more than mortal comprehention.

Yes god will understand. But you probably don't know enough to move on. (yes its buddist, and i thought of it for myself, i didn't read it from a book). it gave you a really good chance for understanding...

Keep all in mind yet don't take to heart.

I'm so bored with suicide I could just shit.

Cheers,

Lost

Suicide is considered a mortal sin, and dying with a mortal sin sends you straight to hell (Catholic, at least). Something about God giving you the gift of life, and you spurning it.

go on a killing rampage and kill everyone who fucks with you before you kill yourslef fool. try not to get caught, do it slow, like 2 a month, make them all look like accidents.



way better idea than suicide. i mean whats the worst that can happen, you get taken down in a hail of gunfire? wow, same thing as suicide.



kill them all before you kill yourself



if that seems extreme, try this. next time someone trys to beat you up, stab them to death. or just a couple of times. youll clearly get off with self defence.



or try this....run away...staight up, if you run up here to northern illinois ill let you live with me, theres no rednecks around, youll be able to smoke pot contintly if you hang out with me, and the only intolerant person, is like that one guy who doesnt like jews (obviously its way worse than that, but its no problem at all, our quiet little town is way to engulfed in drug use to worry about hating anything btu cops.) no one i know would jusge you on sexuality, race, religion, drug use, anything like that.



come up here, i know where you can stay. im pretty serious, dont kill youself, stab someone else, then come like in potsville USA.

if youre serious in any way, to get a start you need the name of the town, at least. its called oswego IL, once here (if you come, which its like a 0.001% chance, but you should instead of killing yourself.) youll find me somehow. just ask where the highschool is, then hold a sign that says the following : LIQUID NICOTINE DUNE BUGGIES. and ill know its you. its gonna be quite an adventure, but its better than killing yourself. if life sucks, dont end it, make it better.

quote:Originally posted by cunfoozedmunkee:

hmmmm, yeah. people just don't care. i know my family will and all that shit, but I'm tired of living in this ignorant, intolerant, etc... society where I cant live my life the way i want to without people judging me. there are things i love about this world, but they merely mess with my mind cuz they dont last long. i think i will die as a martyr for tolerance and change of society. also, i hope i will get to go to heaven. if i dont and heaven isn't real; wouldn't being taken completely out of existence be better than having to endure this suffering? nearly once a month at school i get the living shit beaten out of me because my conservative, redneck society doesn't like open minded people that are tolerant. ive tried smoking marijuana twice now; its great while it lasts, but afterwards i feel worse than i did before... you may say my suicide is selfish, but i say my family has ignored me. my parents are a bunch of red necks as well, i just wish they would take me for what i am instead of ridiculing me and trying to change me... Totse was kind of a last resort; however, the people here didn't give a shit about what i had to say. so, if the world i live in doesn't care about my existence and id rather be gone than stick around, why should i not kill myself?

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Instead, how about you gow up and live your own life. If life still sucks, then do what you will, but at least make an effort. You are not what your parents tell you.

God loves you. If your not sure why chance hell? eternal damnation in far worse than ANYTHING on earth.

Right conclusion, faulty premise. God does not forgive per se, since he/she/it/them cannot be offended--hence no need to forgive.

If the soul's purpose will best be served by ending existence on this plane in order to reincarnate or merge with spirit--those being the only possible options, hell is a myth--go for it.

quote:Originally posted by cunfoozedmunkee:

hmmmm, yeah. people just don't care. i know my family will and all that shit, but I'm tired of living in this ignorant, intolerant, etc... society where I cant live my life the way i want to without people judging me. there are things i love about this world, but they merely mess with my mind cuz they dont last long. i think i will die as a martyr for tolerance and change of society. also, i hope i will get to go to heaven. if i dont and heaven isn't real; wouldn't being taken completely out of existence be better than having to endure this suffering? nearly once a month at school i get the living shit beaten out of me because my conservative, redneck society doesn't like open minded people that are tolerant. ive tried smoking marijuana twice now; its great while it lasts, but afterwards i feel worse than i did before... you may say my suicide is selfish, but i say my family has ignored me. my parents are a bunch of red necks as well, i just wish they would take me for what i am instead of ridiculing me and trying to change me... Totse was kind of a last resort; however, the people here didn't give a shit about what i had to say. so, if the world i live in doesn't care about my existence and id rather be gone than stick around, why should i not kill myself?

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Dude, don't take the pussy's way out and kill yourself. WHat a coward. Liove your life if you don't like soceity try to change it. killing yourself will not produce any thing good. You'll be just another dead, dumb kid.

*sigh* God damnit people, how many times must i say this. If you ever reach the point of I wanna kill myself you have to go on a spree. You have to let them all know you've been mistreated and show them your not happy.

I'll give you some tips.

First off, go to school a couple times with a gun in your pocket. This will be an instant confidence and ego booster. Anybody fucks with you blam blam what now biatch? Then proceed on the spree.

Secondly, plan a time to do it. You'll look forward to it but you'll have that feeling of anticipation. Don't worry though, once the first couple rounds go off you'll fall right into on how much fun it is. Try not to laugh out loud though because they'll confuse you with a psycho.

Thirdly remember, and this is possibly the most important. No matter what happens, you must go down in a hail of bullets from the police. It's just the only way to do it. What's better than when you have an aerial view of a kid with a pistol running at a group of squad cares firing round after round off and the police officers are goin nuts unloading there entire clips at you. Now imagine the scene in slow motion..... mmmmmmmm......

And most importantly, have drugs on you so the police and media will blame it on those instead of the parents. I'm so tired of them coming up with shitty excuses like it's the games they played or there music. Just have drugs on you and put a stop to all the speculation right there. Hope this helped. Happy killing! http://www.totse.com/bbs/smile.gif (http://www.totse.com/bbs/smile.gif)

I suggest you take a lot of minorities with you...You don't want to die alone, do you?

quote:Originally posted by seraph~aral:

[B]and the only intolerant person, is like that one guy who doesnt like jews (obviously its way worse than that, but its no problem at all, our quiet little town is way to engulfed in drug use to worry about hating anything btu cops.) no one i know would jusge you on sexuality, race, religion, drug use, anything like that.

come up here, i know where you can stay. im pretty serious, dont kill youself, stab someone else, then come like in potsville USA.

if youre serious in any way, to get a start you need the name of the town, at least. its called oswego IL{/B]



I went to Oswego once to visit my cousin that used to live there. My mom went to park her car at a bank's parking lot there, and a stupid mother fucker hit her car. Granted it could happen anywhere, but the person just left without anything. Yes, sounds like a great town http://www.totse.com/bbs/wink.gif (http://www.totse.com/bbs/wink.gif).

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quote:Originally posted by cunfoozedmunkee:

I'm christian. I've come to the conclusion that my god will forgive me should i take my own life. what do you all think? (yes i will eventually blow my brains out with a 12 guage shot gun)

so I know I am probably going to be flamed for quoting the bible here.... but this bible verse helped me awhile ago, when I thought about this topic.

"21For to me, to live is Christ and to die is gain. 22I don't know what to choose. I could keep on living, and doing something useful! 23I am torn between the two: I desire to depart and be with Christ, which is better by far; 24but it is more necessary for you that I remain in the body" - philipians 1 21:24



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If the situation is that bad, get out of it! Move away if you have to but don't run away from the problem. Often getting out of the moment/situation/social environment that causes the "no longer giving a shit" will do u a world of good, and give you a chance to evaluate things with better insight and put things in perspective. Try and stay with some relatives or something.

Most of all talk to someone about it.

quote:Originally posted by LostCause:

I'm so bored with suicide I could just shit.

Cheers,

Lost

or do you mean you are so bored with suicide that you could kill yourself?

guys, thanks for the help

i am myself a sociopathic dud

a failure, and i havent even gotten out of highschool! I'll probably end up killing myself once i see it's all over...

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fuck, i cant even edit my post

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http://www.christiananswers.net/q-dml/dml-y038.html

I hope this will help if you are Christian.

quote:Originally posted by cunfoozedmunkee:

I'm christian. I've come to the conclusion that my god will forgive me should i take my own life. what do you all think? (yes i will eventually blow my brains out with a 12 guage shot gun)

Two things

1. If you were really going to kill yourself, you wouldnt really care what the hell a bunch of people on an internet forum thought about it.

2. Life gets tough sometimes, FUCKING DEAL WITH IT, goddamn pussy. My life has been 10 times as hard as yours and you dont hear me bitching and complaining about wanting to kill myself. Fucking whiney bitch.

In conclusion, NO ONE GIVES A FUCK WHETHER OR NOT YOU WANT TO DIE. IF YOU CANT DEAL WITH LIFE, FUCKING KILL YOURSELF AND QUIT BITCHING. Goddamn fucking pussy.

you're still in high school, eh? that's not surprising. do you know how many high school kids wanna kill themselves? a lot. you may not realize it though, but AFTER high school is over, literally everything in your life changes. so wait til you graduate, get a job, or go to college. if you're 30 and you're still a loser, THEN kill yourself.

I've been through wanting to die. and damn i was depressed as fuck. but now i got a decent life, and a great girlfriend, whom i wouldn't give up for anything. But i still have my views on why suicide is ok.

I have nihilistic views on life, what happens now effects nothing afterwords(i'm an athiest)

If i were to blow my brains out, people may/may not car about it, but some would, and those who did, would heal with time. If you commit suicide, and there is a god then you're fucked because he'd be like "Haha, dumbshit GO TO HELL!!!!" But when you die you are either proved wrong, or right. If there wasn't a god then you got no worries. People die all the time so in a world full of God, that doesn't prove god too well.

Dieing is also inevitable, no matter what you do in life, you will die. Thousands of generations from now, they will all die.

But suicide is your own choice, so whatever you choose, make sure it's a good one.

quote:Originally posted by cunfoozedmunkee:

I'm christian. I've come to the conclusion that my god will forgive me should i take my own life. what do you all think? (yes i will eventually blow my brains out with a 12 guage shot gun)

there is no god. your alone. dont kill yourself though, or if you really want to do something useful before you do it

quote:Originally posted by cunfoozedmunkee:

hmmmm, yeah. people just don't care. i know my family will and all that shit, but I'm tired of living in this ignorant, intolerant, etc... society where I cant live my life the way i want to without people judging me. there are things i love about this world, but they merely mess with my mind cuz they dont last long. i think i will die as a martyr for tolerance and change of society. also, i hope i will get to go to heaven. if i dont and heaven isn't real; wouldn't being taken completely out of existence be better than having to endure this suffering? nearly once a month at school i get the living shit beaten out of me because my conservative, redneck society doesn't like open minded people that are tolerant. ive tried smoking marijuana twice now; its great while it lasts, but afterwards i feel worse than i did before... you may say my suicide is selfish, but i say my family has ignored me. my parents are a bunch of red necks as well, i just wish they would take me for what i am instead of ridiculing me and trying to change me... Totse was kind of a last resort; however, the people here didn't give a shit about what i had to say. so, if the world i live in doesn't care about my existence and id rather be gone than stick around, why should i not kill myself?

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okay well you sound like a smart person...so do something big, something political, something that will make a differnece but you cant do without dying or going to jail.

As odd and fucked as this sounds, wait until you can move out and try living in nature for awhile. You may find conditions suitable for yourself that make life a joy rather than torture. For every fucked up personality in this world, there's some place that fits them perfectly.

bebe dont cry, you got to keep your head up

even if the role is hard

never give up

*2pac shakur*

i dont think you know what hard life is...

such as living in a poor country or being poor as hell that you cant even buy food etc..

my advise is : if you dont wana live, then get a GOOD reason to kill ya self.. not becuz you think everybody hates you or whatsoever.

quote:Originally posted by crazedmonkey373:

okay well you sound like a smart person...so do something big, something political, something that will make a differnece but you cant do without dying or going to jail.

I tried to kill myself a few weeks ago but it didn't work obviously. I know exactly how you feel, I think with me it's a feeling of I don't want to live but I don't want to suffer death.

I think you should give this great song I heard a little listen. It's called The Outsider by A Perfect Circle, at least get those lyrics.

I could email them to ya if you want, the song n lyrics

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quote:Originally posted by cunfoozedmunkee:

I'm christian. I've come to the conclusion that my god will forgive me should i take my own life. what do you all think? (yes i will eventually blow my brains out with a 12 guage shot gun)

Gilligan(the psyche not the island) showed the main reason for suicide and murder in prisons was shame. What brand of xtian are you? Have they taught you to feel guilty?

The result of feeling guilt is shame, have courage monkee, trust your intuition.

It sounds as if your life is terribly fucked up, and you are blaming yourself for it. If your religion is reinforcing this(aka - original sin,etc), that may be distorting your willingness, to accept reason as a far better guide to love and life.

Joy, peace, and enlightenment, are only thoughts away. You are the centre of your universe, you choose your thoughts, you have the power of abundant life, death is an illusion.

LoveCompassionEquanimity http://www.totse.com/bbs/smile.gif (http://www.totse.com/bbs/smile.gif)

Edit for clarity http://www.totse.com/bbs/smile.gif (http://www.totse.com/bbs/smile.gif)

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Killing yourself is not an easy thing to do. Those who have commited suicide have overcome their fear of death, with a fear of life. To be at a point in your life where you would rather kill yoursefl than continue liveing gives others and idea of just how horrible this time in your life can be. But remember no matter how bad you are fealing, life can always take a turn for the better. I read a book once that has helped me in some of the harder moments in my life. It was called the 4 truths. One of the things the author said in the book, is that a lot of our problems come from listning to others and taking what they say personly. If a man critizese you he is not critizing you he critizing himself. If he see's something wrong with you he probably sees the samething wrong in himself. You are at a bus stop and a man comes up to wait, turning to him you give him a cheerful hello. He turns back to you and tells you to fuck off. Now you can sit and take this personlly or you can relize that this man has his own problems and they are not related to you. If the kids at school tease you it is not because they hate you, but because they hate themselves. When I had depression in school a kid said something to me that hurt me. The kid didn't mean to hurt me but I took it so seriously I went home and became so depressed, that I tried to kill myself. So if you are feeling depressed because of what people say to you remeber that they are haveing problems of their own and are just responding from their stress.

If you have enough courage to kill yourself, then you have more then enough to live.

cunfoozedmunkee... that's the most selfish twisted notion i have come across in a while. i presume you're only joking?

if you're not then i don't understand where you're getting off on being a christian and arriving at your own conclusion that god will forgive you.

what difference does it make. if you are going to do one of the most selfish things a human being can do and snub yourself out why d'you give a fuck what god thinks.

just get on and enjoy what you have been given.

suicide fucks me off...

quote:Originally posted by cunfoozedmunkee:

hmmmm, yeah. people just don't care. i know my family will and all that shit, but I'm tired of living in this ignorant, intolerant, etc... society where I cant live my life the way i want to without people judging me.

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First of all, I did't read the other posts, sorry if I repeat something.

Alright, fuck you.

You are either a real loser with an IQ < 20 or you just dont realize that there are other options than "living in this ignorant, intolerant, etc... society".

If u dont want to live in America, move to Africa. Go into the jungle, have some adventure. I'm serious, when you already want to kill yourself, why not risking something to have some fun? Move to Côte d'Ivoir and make money by shooting alligators snd selling their leather. Do stuff like that and you'll see that you can do what YOU want.

..but I bet that you aint tough enough to get out of this society.

So go ahead, shoot yourself. I don't recommend it. But if you want to do it, just do it.



Yea, with shotgun is cool. Everyone who hears of it will think "woa, that was a hard guy, he shot himself with a shotgun. Respect."

I go to a christain school soI know all this shit. If you have jesus in your heart and kill yourself its not good but it doesnt mean you go straight to hell. This is because god veiws all sin as equal. According to them killing someone is on par with cursing personally I think that is one fucked up philosophy but thats what they say. So if you have jesus in your heart and kill yourself you should be fine.

Killing yourself is not an easy thing to do. Those who have commited suicide have overcome their fear of death, with a fear of life.

I'm giving serious thought to making a qoute book, some of you ppl just know the right thing to say. How do ya come up with this stuff.

quote:Originally posted by cunfoozedmunkee:

I'm christian. I've come to the conclusion that my god will forgive me should i take my own life. what do you all think? (yes i will eventually blow my brains out with a 12 guage shot gun)

Tell me about your father.

my father? he's a redneck...

Just some general shit about suicide. (http://ashbusstop.org/std.html)

suicide? whimp.

quote:Originally posted by Metalligod:

I tried to kill myself a few weeks ago but it didn't work obviously.

That's where you're wrong. It seems pretty obvious that you've died and gone to Hell.

I mean, you're on TOTSE. If this isn't Hell, I don't know what is!

I'm gonna have to go with The_Homicidal_Maniac here...

DO NOT even consider killing yourself-it's a stupid way to die. You go to school and open fire during an assembly or something, maximum civilian casualties is what you’re aiming for here so high school kids are just great. If you can’t manage to handle a gun then construct a small bomb – instructions right here on Totse, and blow your (+ fellow student’s) brains out in a crowded corridor. You may even kill yourself that way.

Most fun though…get a chainsaw and hack through a busy corridor, laughing manically and you slash into your fellow students flesh, enjoy the subsequent spurts of blood that splatter everywhere then die gloriously in a hail of bullets.

By the way, the God thing, you’re probably alright to kill yourself (not that I recommend doing it) because he is meant to forgive everything that you do. If you make it to heaven though, your fellow students may not be too happy with you. Oh yeah another thing, you could go see a priest or something, see what he says – probably nothing involving bombs, guns or chainsaws, but you should still hear his advice.

DaB

Sorry, another idea… KILL YOUR FAMILY.

Sneak up on them during the night, when they’re asleep, and just kill them. You said they’re rednecks anyway so it wouldn’t matter. Then once they lie slaughtered on the floor, first ensure they’re really dead then CALMLY call 911 (you’re in America, I guess? Huh, maybe not - 999 then) and tell them what you’ve done. They’ll rush over to your house and arrest you, you go to court, they find you insane – obviously, you killed your family. Spend the next few years of your life locked in some kinda insane asylum, they release you when you’re a bit older, at which point you’ll no longer wanna kill yourself, you can get a job or whatever (just sit at home smoking pot if ya want) and live a normal happy life.

Your choice though…I personally prefer the chainsaw.

DaB

man, dont kill yourself. either kill everyone in your school with u or become a leopord hunter in africa, that would be awesome.



just build a bomb big enough to blow up the whole school, stick it in a duffle bag/backpack walk in. Yell out something like "YOU FUCKERS WILL FINALLY KNOW HOW I FEEL. YOUR YEARS OF INSENSITIVITY WILL COME BACK TO BITE YOU IN THE FUCKING ASS YOU FUCKING FASCIST SHEEP!!!" Boom

the fact that what i just typed is probably exactly what you are thinking is enough basis for you to stay alive. You are not the only one that feels this way. Just wait till you grow up so we can do something about it.

ok sorry if iam a little late and i only read the first couple of post's. so we may have solve your problem already. Now your problem sound almost idencal to mine. Try what is saving me, 2 month ago i had a 12 guage in my mouth, no joke. but i had bit of a break through, the world you and i seek my be found in solitude try leaving home during the summer try living on your one for a couple of weeks camping and think about your problems, iam sure you'll come to a good solution, and if it's biting the barrel then go for it

quote:Originally posted by cunfoozedmunkee:

hmmmm, yeah. people just don't care. i know my family will and all that shit, but I'm tired of living in this ignorant, intolerant, etc... society where I cant live my life the way i want to without people judging me. there are things i love about this world, but they merely mess with my mind cuz they dont last long. i think i will die as a martyr for tolerance and change of society. also, i hope i will get to go to heaven. if i dont and heaven isn't real; wouldn't being taken completely out of existence be better than having to endure this suffering? nearly once a month at school i get the living shit beaten out of me because my conservative, redneck society doesn't like open minded people that are tolerant. ive tried smoking marijuana twice now; its great while it lasts, but afterwards i feel worse than i did before... you may say my suicide is selfish, but i say my family has ignored me. my parents are a bunch of red necks as well, i just wish they would take me for what i am instead of ridiculing me and trying to change me... Totse was kind of a last resort; however, the people here didn't give a shit about what i had to say. so, if the world i live in doesn't care about my existence and id rather be gone than stick around, why should i not kill myself?

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Bitch and Moan

http://www.illwillpress.com/suicide.html



DOg eat dog.

Nobody cares untill it has happened.

Even then THEY don't

DO IT

quote:Originally posted by Amazing:

Bitch and Moan

you obviously didn't read the question I have, smart ass. I asked if you guys thought I would go to Hell if I commited suicide. Ok ass hole, read the posts next time.

quote:Originally posted by Craftian:

That's where you're wrong. It seems pretty obvious that you've died and gone to Hell.

I mean, you're on TOTSE. If this isn't Hell, I don't know what is!

Maybe your right, maybe all that Coricidin did kill me. I mean, I didn't even get high, so I must be dead. Yeah, this is hell and my tormentor is Ashes.

But I know how to get rid of him, I love him now.