hello,

this is my first post.

i asked my religion teacher "if they found DNA from Jesus and cloned him, would the clone still be the son of God", she looked at me with disgust and then continued with the lesson.

what do you guys think?

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quote:Originally posted by Eoin:

hello,

this is my first post.

i asked my religion teacher "if they found DNA from Jesus and cloned him, would the clone still be the son of God", she looked at me with disgust and then continued with the lesson.

what do you guys think?

Your teacher should be fired, that is a very valid religious question.

Ask her again. Only this time say 'and this time I'd like an answer please!'

Chances are though you'll get some bullshit about how cloning goes agaisnt God or something, and blah blah blah.....

Chances are she'll avoid answering the question at all costs. Mainly because she wouldn't know the answer.

HOLY SHIT

Thats a great idea!!!!!!!!

Isnt there some shroud thing with his impression or something...

although I dont know if its genuine, how mad would that be????

Start a petition to clone Jesus!!!!

Yes. But would this one be called Jesus or some derivative.....

Like Jesse. Or some kind of random generic name like that?

Jesus Mk. II?

It's a cool question, but it's not the body that's the son of god but the soul within the body. The new clone would just inherit a new soul.

if jesus had kids, would they be 25% god? and could they preform semi-miracles, like finding my car keys and fixing my cd burner?

he should have cranked out the kids, and sold them to slavery where their talents could be exploited.

quote:Originally posted by SupaAznPirate:

This just brings up the old problem, science vs religion.

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The 'old' problem of science vs. religion? Archeology has proven the Bible right many times in many ways. As for a lcone of Jesus, no it wouldn't be the same, because you can't clone the soul/spirit, and that is what made him God. His body was 100% normal human.

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quote:Originally posted by StoneMan:

The 'old' problem of science vs. religion? Archeology has proven the Bible right many times in many ways.

It may have proven some of the things in the bible, but that doesn't mean that it's 100% accurate.

quote:Originally posted by ---Beany---:

It's a cool question, but it's not the body that's the son of god but the soul within the body. The new clone would just inherit a new soul.

i find it interesting that i still have to eat the 'body' and the 'blood' of christ at communion when his soul is all that matters.

quote:Originally posted by dearestnight_falcon:

HOLY SHIT

Thats a great idea!!!!!!!!

Isnt there some shroud thing with his impression or something...

although I dont know if its genuine, how mad would that be????

Start a petition to clone Jesus!!!!



Nope, the shroud is from Jacques De Molay.

I saw something on PBS about the shroud of turin, it wasn't old enough and the 'blood' was red ochre paint.

A do it yourself Jesus?: http://www.mcjonline.com/news/00b/20001013b.htm

quote:Originally posted by StoneMan:

The 'old' problem of science vs. religion? Archeology has proven the Bible right many times in many ways.

The bible is far from having been 'proven'!

quote:Originally posted by StoneMan:

The 'old' problem of science vs. religion? Archeology has proven the Bible right many times in many ways. As for a lcone of Jesus, no it wouldn't be the same, because you can't clone the soul/spirit, and that is what made him God. His body was 100% normal human.

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I dont see too much evidence of a great flood, well...except for the early years of the earth, and i also dont see proof of anyone living 400+ years. I dont see proof of jesus either.

Face it, Religious texts blend Rumors with History, Jesus, great man and great teachings, but his miracles are rumors. And being tempted for 40 days w/o food/water=rumor because he would have died.

Also Science proves religion wrong numerous times. But proving it right is just the history aspect.

quote:Originally posted by Eoin:

i find it interesting that i still have to eat the 'body' and the 'blood' of christ at communion when his soul is all that matters.

I find it even more interesting that you eat small crackers and drink wine and claim it to be parts of christ.

I asked one of the pastor regarding cloning and genetic engineering stuff. They don't believe that cloning will happen and God will surely destroy the plan. But I guess it is not true anymore. I wonder if you clone human, will they have soul? Because cloning procedure doesn't include inviting soul into the body or anything.

I believe when technology becomes more advance religion is becoming less accurate.

God will destroy cloning? How could he destroy concepts and ideas in the head of thousands upon thousands of scientists heads? Kill them? And what about the documentation and studies? I suppose he will burn down all kinds of buildings across the world? Smack your pastor.

And as for a soul, sure why not? Just because the child isn't being naturally concieved doesn't mean it won't have an active conciousness. I suppose this question comes down to your definition of a soul for the most part though.

quote:Originally posted by SEN D-F:

And as for a soul, sure why not? Just because the child isn't being naturally concieved doesn't mean it won't have an active conciousness. I suppose this question comes down to your definition of a soul for the most part though.

Or maybe the clone will be born without a soul. Cue a new zombie trilogy.

But once again, whats a soul? How does one get a soul? Do all living thigns have souls?

Theres really no way to say soemthing will or won't have a soul because we don't even know what it really is. We can assume things, but thats the best we can do.

Maybe we should just clone soemone and see? Would they act like any other human if they didn't have a soul?

At what point in ones life do you get a soul? Do identical twins have to share?

You don't get a soul, you are a soul. A soul that is occupying a human body.

I guess soul and consciousness are pretty much the same thing.

quote:Originally posted by demonlsy:

God will surely destroy the plan.

I suppose he feels threatened? http://www.totse.com/bbs/biggrin.gif (http://www.totse.com/bbs/biggrin.gif)

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Jesus wasn't 50% man and 50% God. he was all man and all God.

Maybe it will be the second coming and the end

of the world

I'm athiest and don't believe in a soul. So to me cloning is just taking a copy of the cells and making another of whatever your cloning. There is no soul so you don't have to worry about that. Just my thoughts anyways.

okay, stoneman back there on the first page said that archaeology has proven the bible right many times in many different ways, i am not completely disagreeing already because i dont know the facts of it, but i was just curious as to what any of these may be. it seems to be that archaeology, and basic human knowledge possessed by any 5 year old, has proven that bible completely wrong on almost all counts. i cannot think of a single part of the bible that has been proven by anyone. we don't even know if jesus really existed. but what the saddest part is is that we will never really know anywhere as much as we should about the period of time that the bible was written in and historical facts relating to it, because the christians, in typical christian form, destroyed any real historical manuscripts that didn't agree with their book they used to brainwash and control people, and they systematically tortured and killed anyone who dared to question their version of history.

quote:Originally posted by Eoin:

hello,

this is my first post.

i asked my religion teacher "if they found DNA from Jesus and cloned him, would the clone still be the son of God", she looked at me with disgust and then continued with the lesson.

what do you guys think?

A clone is a genetic copy of something, nothing more. So it would be a different conscience in the body. If someone was to clone you(we'd have more idiots(just kidding))it would be a different conscience.

And it might not look exactly like you either, because humans just like other creatures have dna that we don't use. And the clone could end up with a diff. eye color(ya know stuff like that).

For example twins are a type of clone, they share genetic material nothing more, two bodies two diff. consciences. Some twins don't look exactly alike even though they have the sam dna(i mean you could distinguish between them).

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quote:Originally posted by Metalligod:



And the clone could end up with a diff. eye color(ya know stuff like that).

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I'm afraid you are mistaken. If a clone had all the same genes, they would have the same eye colour, since thats where eye colour comes from

quote:Originally posted by dearestnight_falcon:

I'm afraid you are mistaken. If a clone had all the same genes, they would have the same eye colour, since thats where eye colour comes from

Like I said: HUMANS AS WELL AS OTHER CREATURES HAVE D N A THAT WE 'DO NOT' USE. THEREFORE A CLONE COULD HAVE A DIFFERENT EYE COLOR, AS WAS PROVEN ON A CAT CLONE IT CAME OUT WITH A DIFF. EYE COLOR THAN IT'S ORI-GI-NAAL. -Sorry I don't know how ta ad a hypelink- ya need proof:

http://www.timeforkids.com/TFK/magazines/story/0,6277,212616,00.html

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quote:Originally posted by praisejahmoreherb:

I saw something on PBS about the shroud of turin, it wasn't old enough and the 'blood' was red ochre paint.

better than saying the shroud is from a dead heretic I guess.

quote:Originally posted by Metalligod:

Like I said: HUMANS AS WELL AS OTHER CREATURES HAVE D N A THAT WE 'DO NOT' USE. THEREFORE A CLONE COULD HAVE A DIFFERENT EYE COLOR, AS WAS PROVEN ON A CAT CLONE IT CAME OUT WITH A DIFF. EYE COLOR THAN IT'S ORI-GI-NAAL. -Sorry I don't know how ta ad a hypelink- ya need proof:

http://www.timeforkids.com/TFK/magazines/story/0,6277,212616,00.html

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Could you point me to what part of that proves anything? I seem to have missed it.

What you say goes against everything I learned in genetics, but meh, you might be right, just point it out, cause I couldnt find it.

quote:Originally posted by dearestnight_falcon:



Could you point me to what part of that proves anything? I seem to have missed it.

What you say goes against everything I learned in genetics, but meh, you might be right, just point it out, cause I couldnt find it.



Be specific,what don't you get? Then I can help you.

I am typing and not in person so obviously we can't see are hear eachothers expressions so don't take what I say as being aggressive.