Everyones always complaining how tired they are of christians and thier attitutes but did u ever stop to think that the reason they try to get u to get saved isnt because they think they are right and want u to know it its cause when Jesus returns they dont want you to go to hell but to have enternal happiness in heaven.I had a neighbor that is a preacher and not the convientinal preacher u would think u know the guy dress really nice with that white thing around his neck but he taught gang memebers the word of god him being a former gang member he knows how to conve the message to them he preaches that if god could save him than he can save anyone.Many of u wounder why christians always think they are right well its because they have seen it they have seen gods powers in work and have no dought in thier minds that he does exist and if you dont belive me then just go talk to a christian a real christian someone who has devoted thier entire life to God not just someone who sins for 6 days and 23 hours a week never asking for forgiveness and goes to church for an hour and presto hes a christian go ask a real christian how God has worked in his or her life and see what they tell u

And next time you defend christians, think of this, they have alot of the same ideas as Nazi Germany:

"The son of man shall send forth his angels, and they shall gather out of his kingdom all things that offend, and them which do inquity; and shall cast them into a furnace of fire: there shall be wailing and gnashing of teeth."

Matthew 13:41-42

Next time add a little grammer to your post.

Anyways, should we all love christians because they want to save us? No. Thats great, their intentions are good at the base level, but first off just because they believe they're right doesn't mean they are, so it doesn't mean they should act so 'holier then thou'. And not all christians want to convert people to save their soles. Most of them simply want to convert people because they think they're right and they can't stand the idea of people not agreeing with them. Have you ever watched a show like the 700 club? These people couldn't care less about me or my soul, they just want people to believe what they believe.

You do realize how much better humanity would be if people would just leave others' beliefs alone? If they don't follow your ideals, back off.

quote:Originally posted by Vago:

Everyones always complaining how tired they are of christians and thier attitutes but did u ever stop to think that the reason they try to get u to get saved isnt because they think they are right and want u to know it its cause when Jesus returns they dont want you to go to hell but to have enternal happiness in heaven.I had a neighbor that is a preacher and not the convientinal preacher u would think u know the guy dress really nice with that white thing around his neck but he taught gang memebers the word of god him being a former gang member he knows how to conve the message to them he preaches that if god could save him than he can save anyone.Many of u wounder why christians always think they are right well its because they have seen it they have seen gods powers in work and have no dought in thier minds that he does exist and if you dont belive me then just go talk to a christian a real christian someone who has devoted thier entire life to God not just someone who sins for 6 days and 23 hours a week never asking for forgiveness and goes to church for an hour and presto hes a christian go ask a real christian how God has worked in his or her life and see what they tell u

You just don't get it...

Fucking Christians...

you know many of us live just fine without the need to constantly bow down and worship some supernatural being. we dont see any evidence of a supernatural being or a heaven or a hell so we just live our lives as best we can and dont wast it trying to be the best slave FUCK CRHISTIANS FUCK GOD FUCK YOUR SLAVE MORALS

Christians only piss me off when they try to convert me or push their values on me. I saw some 5 year old kid go see that Passion movie, really pissed me off. That kid is so yound, all he sees is some man being beaten for 2 hours, and then his parents tell him it was for him, fucking brainwashers.

Religion is nothing but a bunch of myths passed down to generations to generations by the elders. All religious material ever discovered has never been truthful, accurate, or even authentic; hence it being nothing but a load of bullshit.

quote:Originally posted by BD w/ Kung-Fu Grip:

And next time you defend christians, think of this, they have alot of the same ideas as Nazi Germany:

"The son of man shall send forth his angels, and they shall gather out of his kingdom all things that offend, and them which do inquity; and shall cast them into a furnace of fire: there shall be wailing and gnashing of teeth."

Matthew 13:41-42

What's wrong with Nazi Germany?



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I'm an atheist, but I must say, Christianity is on one the best scams I've ever heard of, You don't even need proof for it, just a bunch of gullable people.........idiots

Oh, for shit's sakes...

If you guys are all for respecting other's beliefs, why do you hold such hateful views towards Christians? I mean, I'm an atheist, but let's not lie to ourselves - Christianity created the entity we call Western Civilization, and I happen to be rather fond of said meme-set. You can point out a bunch of historical exceptions, but at the bottom of it all, the teachings of Jesus, as Christians understand them, mean peace and love. They think that, because you're refusing God's Glorious Gift, you're going to rot in hell for eternity, and they don't want to see that happen to you. They're trying to help you out for crying out loud. They may think they're superior, but then, deep down, isn't that what EVERYBODY thinks about their own viewpoint? I mean, if you don't think your view is right, why do you hold it?

So when a Christian comes up to you and tries to convert you, and they're doing it in a respectful manner, just sit down and have a polite chat about things. I mean, how often does a complete stranger come up to you and ask to discuss the nature of the universe? I happen to enjoy such conversations. Now, if they're being disrepectful, that's one thing. But I find most professional evangelical groups tell their members to be polite about things. So just CHAT with them, for shit's sakes, instead of just turning up your nose and calling them sheep.

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quote:Originally posted by SEN D-F:

Next time add a little grammer to your post.

Grammar*

I'm Christian and I would never say that it is right religion or try to make someone convert to it. I've got no trouble at all if you say if it is all a scam. Infact I have to agree with you on somethings like Noah's ark and other things. I'm not a really a good Christian (I don't pray, I don't know if I even believe in a god yet and I don't even own a cross) and I hate people knocking at my door selling bibles and saying things about God. I have to agree with you UnknownVeritas about people should leave there beliefs alone. Well that's just my two cents.

quote:Originally posted by Drahcir:

I'm Christian and I would never say that it is right religion or try to make someone convert to it. I've got no trouble at all if you say if it is all a scam. Infact I have to agree with you on somethings like Noah's ark and other things. I'm not a really a good Christian (I don't pray, I don't know if I even believe in a god yet and I don't even own a cross) and I hate people knocking at my door selling bibles and saying things about God. I have to agree with you UnknownVeritas about people should leave there beliefs alone. Well that's just my two cents.

In fact you're a better christian than many.

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shut up ho



christianity is all about control, and more recently merchandising.



(just remember the yoda [yogurt] ripoff in SPACEBALLS--moicheendizing)

I love it when some stupid fuck's argument consists of "shut up."

Coincidentally, I love Christians...when they're not being jackasses.

Which is 98% of the time down in my "hood."

You know, i would love to be tollerant of Christians, but i can't just can't bring myself to be. the main reason is, when i think about christians i look at it from an objective standpoint. what good effects have christians had in their history? well, they've raised a little money for the hungry, most of which they kept themselves. and then on the other side, what ill effects have they had? well they succesfully destroyed almost all documents relating to 0-200 B.C. that had any factual basis, they killed millions of muslims and others in the crusades cause they didn't agree with their religion. they tortured and killed all non christians in the spanish inquisition, which amounted to a hell of a lot of people, then they took over most of the world and destroyed races of people and told them they couldn't have their cultures anymore. these are just the very tip of the iceber and very generic reasons, you could write ten books about all the bad results of christianity. and now theres still all these christians out there, in our day and age when we know so much about the world and about history, its really kind of sick. and they keep on proselatyzing and scamming and killing, all over the world. i will never feel that christians are "good" or even "harmless" because they want to save my soul or whatever bunch of crap that was. all hell is is a convenient way to control others. "do as we say otherwise you will spend eternity in a firey hell". christians want to convert non beleivers for one of two reasons. either they have been so brainwashed their entire lives they really beleive all the lies their preachers have told them, or they are intelligent enough to know whats really going on and they want the ranks of christians to increase so as to increase their Power.

- The Roman Catholic Church was one of the first charitable organizations in the west, you dolt.

- You're thinking of 0 CE to the Council of Nicaea. And the other big religions do the exact same thing (note that early versions of the Koran have been discovered referring to Allah as a moon god). I fail to see why you single Christianity out.

- Christians killed MILLIONS of Muslims? Source, please, I'm calling your bluff. And as long as you're on Google, see how many Christians were killed in the invasions of Palestine, Syria, Egypt, Mauritania, Spain, Mesopotamia, Armenia, Bulgaria, Austria, Greece, Turkey....

- Even assuming your statements were true - and they aren't, you unlearned dolt - how many Christians approaching you today actually killed Muslims, invaded Palestine, etc? Isn't this just a form of Blood Libel? Aren't you, in fact, talking out of your ass?

why cant we just all leave each other the fuck alone, believe what we want to, and not force these beliefs upon others. I am a christian but people can believe what they want. The way I see it, why do people need religion? Its caused all the worlds problems, most wars are to do with either religion or imposing your own beliefs upon other.Everyone just chill, and accept people as they are.

Peace

quote:Originally posted by Vago:

Everyones always complaining how tired they are of christians and thier attitutes but did u ever stop to think that the reason they try to get u to get saved isnt because they think they are right and want u to know it its cause when Jesus returns they dont want you to go to hell but to have enternal happiness in heaven.I had a neighbor that is a preacher and not the convientinal preacher u would think u know the guy dress really nice with that white thing around his neck but he taught gang memebers the word of god him being a former gang member he knows how to conve the message to them he preaches that if god could save him than he can save anyone.Many of u wounder why christians always think they are right well its because they have seen it they have seen gods powers in work and have no dought in thier minds that he does exist and if you dont belive me then just go talk to a christian a real christian someone who has devoted thier entire life to God not just someone who sins for 6 days and 23 hours a week never asking for forgiveness and goes to church for an hour and presto hes a christian go ask a real christian how God has worked in his or her life and see what they tell u

Ok I'm so fucking sick of this Chritian non chritian bull crap. I'm tired of people telling me I'm going to hell. And I'm tired of religous assholes trying to force their religion on everyone else.

They way I see it, if their is a hell everyone is going. People always want to preach the bible and say follow the Lords' rules.

Well do you people know that:<UL TYPE=SQUARE> <LI>Everyone who works on Sunday is going to hell, for they have committed a sin punishable by death. <LI>If you eat lobster your going to hell for it is a sin punishable by death(shrimp too). <LI>Not being Jewish is a sin punishable by death(If their is a hell I feel sorry for you anti-semites...Wait no I don't)Burn bitch burn!!!!!!<LI>If you've ever disobeyed your parents, your going to hell, for it is a sin punishable by death. <LI>Oh and aint this great, well sex before marriage, punishable by death.</UL>

Well if God is real I feel sorry for Him, for He is Psychotic.

Now the next time you so called upright Christians try and convert someone, stop and ask yourself if your the one who needs saving.

Oh for those who will try and say I don't know What I'm talking about: <UL TYPE=SQUARE><LI>not being Jewish (Deuteronomy 17:2)

<LI>sex before marriage (Deuteronomy 22:13)

<LI>refusal to obey your parents (Deuteronomy 21:18)

<LI>gathering firewood on Sunday(which basically means no working) (Numbers 15:32)

<LI>eating lobster (Leviticus 11:9)</UL>



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okay, i apologize for not taking the time to get the exact statistics, but whether they killed millions or hundreds it was still an unjustand evil war and a perfect example of the ill effects of christianity. and to say that christians today arent bad because they weren't part of the crusades or one of these other things is idiotic. that's like saying neo nazis are okay because they didnt actually take part in the holocaust personally. the bottom line is that it is each christian's responsibility to actually know the history of their religion and what it stands for. most catholics nowadays dont even know what the spanish inquisition was, its disgusting.

Personally i have no problem with people people trying to put thier beliefs on me bacause i think its intersting and it gives me a chance to force my beleifs back on them. But the fact is christainity still remains a huge influence on politics today. I agree there are two sides to the argument, on one hand religion scares people into acting right and respecting one another, on the other hand religion slpws down the intelctual progress of manknd. That kind of thinking corupts the mind. What would happen if people like Einstein and Newton hadnt questioned things because it might be unholy or they simply explained gravity and the speed as light as "gad wishes it to be."

Again i have absolutly no porblem with people beleiving whatever they want, but the truth is religion is slowing down the progress or mankind. The scopes monkey trial is a perfect example. HHopefully one day we find find out the answers of questions like where did we come from? how did we get here? whats out there? But if people just explain the creation of man as a poof from no where then we will be doomed to live in an age of ignorance and fairy tales.

quote:Originally posted by praisejahmoreherb:

Christians only piss me off when they try to convert me or push their values on me. I saw some 5 year old kid go see that Passion movie, really pissed me off. That kid is so yound, all he sees is some man being beaten for 2 hours, and then his parents tell him it was for him, fucking brainwashers.

Ya man, my parents made me go see it and I didn't want to. I mean, I've read the book dude, I know what happens. So I sat there for 2 hours, seeing Jesus get the shit beaten out of him. I nearly puked when the left side of his ribs through his ripped flesh. I can only imagine what 5 year old would have been thinking. There's no way Jesus's crucifixion was that gory.

You all insult and devalue christianity and such. A true christian is only trying to convert to save people. You should all just beleive what you want and have faith in it. When you pray or in somehow talk to god your talking to the same person the jewish are and the muslim and the hindu etc. Belive what you want just have faith. Christianity is not the best choice for religion for all the rules it enforces.

&gt;QOH&lt;

quote:Originally posted by cunfoozedmunkee:

Ya man, my parents made me go see it and I didn't want to. I mean, I've read the book dude, I know what happens. So I sat there for 2 hours, seeing Jesus get the shit beaten out of him. I nearly puked when the left side of his ribs through his ripped flesh. I can only imagine what 5 year old would have been thinking. There's no way Jesus's crucifixion was that gory.



Funny isnt it how the roman soldiers were so nasty... most of the time in the bible, they are portrayed quite differently.

Anyway, if they had beaten him that much, he would have died from blood loss... I mean come on... a rip poking through???

and stacks of his "wounds" didnt seem to bleed as much as they should have in that movie

I'd have to agree with Steve Rogers. When people think they have all the answers, they stop actually looking for answers. It slows down progress.

Imagine what would happen if their were no religion and it was just everyone collectivly working toward the big questions. We'd get so much done.

i like christians but i do like to call them jesus freaks and churchees just to soo if they really turn the other cheek or if they're just a fake load of shit...

quote:Originally posted by MackfromCanneryRow:

okay, i apologize for not taking the time to get the exact statistics, but whether they killed millions or hundreds it was still an unjustand evil war and a perfect example of the ill effects of christianity. and to say that christians today arent bad because they weren't part of the crusades or one of these other things is idiotic. that's like saying neo nazis are okay because they didnt actually take part in the holocaust personally. the bottom line is that it is each christian's responsibility to actually know the history of their religion and what it stands for. most catholics nowadays dont even know what the spanish inquisition was, its disgusting.

Look, kid, shut the fuck up. You are completely ignorant and using some of the stupidest logic I've ever seen on Totse (although the top slot goes, of course, to Davidven).

It strikes me as hilarious that you scoff at Christians who don't know what the Spanish Inquisition is, when you yourself have just demonstrated historical ignorance of considerably greater breadth.

Comparing Christians to Neo-Nazis? Somebody's grasping at straws here. Neo-Nazis, as an article of faith, call for the expulsion or destruction of non-Aryans, and view the Holocaust as a good thing or claim it never happened. Meanwhile, the largest Christian denomination on the planet, the Catholic Church, has issued apologies for the Crusades (though you'll notice a lack of apology from the imams for invading the Levant and North Africa), and has made a great effort to assuage the guilt it feels over the past treatment of such groups as the Jews. The Vatican has also distanced itself from extremist groups, such as the Church Mel Gibson's father belongs to.

So you think today's Christians are bad because some past Christians behaved poorly? Um, sorry, you're a dumbass. That's like saying all Germans are bad because of the World Wars. Shut up, kid, you're embarassing yourself.

quote:Originally posted by Metalligod:

Oh for those who will try and say I don't know What I'm talking about: <UL TYPE=SQUARE><LI>not being Jewish (Deuteronomy 17:2)

<LI>sex before marriage (Deuteronomy 22:13)

<LI>refusal to obey your parents (Deuteronomy 21:18)

<LI>gathering firewood on Sunday(which basically means no working) (Numbers 15:32)

<LI>eating lobster (Leviticus 11:9)</UL>

I really can't help myself. Here you claimed that these were all punishable by death, which they were. But all of the things you speak of are a part of what we like to call the Old Covenant, and all of its laws are found in the Old Testament. However, Jesus' death established the New Covenant, what is described as perfect, because God saw flaw in the first.

<UL TYPE=SQUARE><LI>And Jesus cried out again with a loud voice, and yielded up his spirit. Then, behold, the veil of the temple was torn in two from top to bottom; and the earth quaked, and the rocks were split. Matt 27:51-52

<LI>Exodus 26, 27 describe the veil of the temple that was split, specifically in verses 31-33.

<LI>Hebrews 8:7 and on and on is where it speaks of the imperfection that God found in the Old Covenant and describes the New Covenant.</UL>

Hebrews is actually a beautiful book to read whether you believe or not. I'm having a bit of trouble with my faith right now, religion in general, but the Bible still says what it says and it needs to be quoted correctly.

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quote:Originally posted by hakaidojojo:

I really can't help myself. Here you claimed that these were all punishable by death, which they were. But all of the things you speak of are a part of what we like to call the Old Covenant, and all of its laws are found in the Old Testament. However, Jesus' death established the New Covenant, what is described as perfect, because God saw flaw in the first.

<UL TYPE=SQUARE><LI>And Jesus cried out again with a loud voice, and yielded up his spirit. Then, behold, the veil of the temple was torn in two from top to bottom; and the earth quaked, and the rocks were split. Matt 27:51-52

<LI>Exodus 26, 27 describe the veil of the temple that was split, specifically in verses 31-33.

<LI>Hebrews 8:7 and on and on is where it speaks of the imperfection that God found in the Old Covenant and describes the New Covenant.</UL>

Hebrews is actually a beautiful book to read whether you believe or not. I'm having a bit of trouble with my faith right now, religion in general, but the Bible still says what it says and it needs to be quoted correctly.

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Old covenant or new so what. It says what it says. see this is my point. Christians like to pick and choose which rules they should follow, but I can't recall a place in the bible that says your allowed to do that. Either be a Christian all the way or none the way. Being half-way-Christians, occurding to their own religion condemns them to hell!!!

BTW: everything in the bible is OLD, so the new testament is a part of the old. No excaping it. Your either with it all the way or none the way.

Another BTW: The banning of homosexual acts is in the old tesament so I guess you all should leave the homos alone. And all of you who bothered them is going to hell. Also I can't remember a part in the bible that tells His followers to carry out His justice.

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quote:Originally posted by BD w/ Kung-Fu Grip:

And next time you defend christians, think of this, they have alot of the same ideas as Nazi Germany:

"The son of man shall send forth his angels, and they shall gather out of his kingdom all things that offend, and them which do inquity; and shall cast them into a furnace of fire: there shall be wailing and gnashing of teeth."

Matthew 13:41-42

And next time you quote scripture make sure you comprehend what it is saying. That has no connection to Nazi Germany. That is saying anyone who goes against the christian church shall burn in hell. That means you!!!

quote:Originally posted by SEN D-F:

Anyways, should we all love christians because they want to save us? No. Thats great, their intentions are good at the base level, but first off just because they believe they're right doesn't mean they are, so it doesn't mean they should act so 'holier then thou'. And not all christians want to convert people to save their soles. Most of them simply want to convert people because they think they're right and they can't stand the idea of people not agreeing with them. Have you ever watched a show like the 700 club? These people couldn't care less about me or my soul, they just want people to believe what they believe.

I have never watched the 700 club. But, personally I don't think it has anything to do with them wanting you to agree with them. I think its either they are a true believer or they are part of a corrupt church wanting your tithe money.

quote:Originally posted by jokerjon20:

And next time you quote scripture make sure you comprehend what it is saying. That has no connection to Nazi Germany. That is saying anyone who goes against the christian church shall burn in hell. That means you!!!



According to the scripture, God speaks in paribles (Matthew 13:10-14) in order to confuse people. I could very well be inturpreting it right too.

Also, you are most likely going to hell too, according to your precious scripture. (Matthew 7:13-14)

Metalligod, The Christian God hates Jews (1 Thessalonians 2:15 and Titus 1:10-11).

quote:Originally posted by Metalligod:

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[b]Old covenant or new so what. It says what it says. see this is my point. Christians like to pick and choose which rules they should follow, but I can't recall a place in the bible that says your allowed to do that. Either be a Christian all the way or none the way. Being half-way-Christians, occurding to their own religion condemns them to hell!!!

Except that the Old Testament is included largely to establish historicity, not as a means of conveying the Law. Name one Christian clergyman who says the OT supersedes the NT. One. Just one.

You fucking dolt.

Metalligod, it's all old. No shit. The point is that Jesus' death created the New Covenant, new is just a word, just like the other words. It doesn't mean that I think it happened yesterday.

At what point did I make any reference to believing in only half of Scripture? The Old Testament is history. It's there largely so we know the background of the religion.

My point is, you're wrong. Not by means of opinion, simply by the facts that you clearly haven't read. And I especially wouldn't claim to know everything--or anything, for that matter--about a religion which I haven't adequately researched. As far as what Christians believe, and what it says in the Bible, you were simply wrong.

Next time, why don't you try reading up a little before you flaunt your ignorance?

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Actually, the old rules still apply, as do the new ones. (Matthew 5:17-19) Confusing, isn't it.

quote:Originally posted by BD w/ Kung-Fu Grip:

Metalligod, The Christian God hates Jews (1 Thessalonians 2:15 and Titus 1:10-11).

Well he must have hated himself.

Thanx for getting the point across that I just can't seem to convey to people. The "Old" things are apart of the new.

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quote:Originally posted by hakaidojojo:

Metalligod, it's all old. No shit. The point is that Jesus' death created the New Covenant, new is just a word, just like the other words. It doesn't mean that I think it happened yesterday.

At what point did I make any reference to believing in only half of Scripture? The Old Testament is history. It's there largely so we know the background of the religion.

My point is, you're wrong. Not by means of opinion, simply by the facts that you clearly haven't read. And I especially wouldn't claim to know everything--or anything, for that matter--about a religion which I haven't adequately researched. As far as what Christians believe, and what it says in the Bible, you were simply wrong.

Next time, why don't you try reading up a little before you flaunt your ignorance?

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What really happened: People realized that their religion had major flaws(meaning rules they didn't want to follow) so they fucken changed the rules. And it will surely happen again.

BTW: Your mess. that I quoted previously did imply that the old testament wasn't necessary to follow, however, I never said that 'you' believed or followed only half the scripture. I said that that's what ppl do.

Christians of all creeds, everyone who believes in the bible do not follow all of its 'Rules'. That is the marrow of what I was trying to get across.(And it's funny how God is supposed to be perfect, yet He found flaws in something He took part in)



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quote:Originally posted by Armed&Angry:

Except that the Old Testament is included largely to establish historicity, not as a means of conveying the Law. Name one Christian clergyman who says the OT supersedes the NT. One. Just one.

You fucking dolt.

If you don't have anything intelligent or constructive to say, shut the hell up you cum-guzzling queer!!!!!!!!

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where i live, christians don't try to convert us. But anyway, i do believe that when you want respect you start by giving it. So respect christians beliefs beause i'm sure they still respect yours. And for whoever compared christians to nazis i would of liked to see him as a jew living in a concentration camp. I doubt he'd have the same opinion.

quote:Originally posted by Metalligod:

If you don't have anything intelligent or constructive to say, shut the hell up you cum-guzzling queer!!!!!!!!

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quote:If you don't have anything intelligent or constructive to say, shut the hell up you cum-guzzling queer!!!!!!!!

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Are you GAY??????

How...intellectual...of you.

Let me put it in a way that will hopefully make "since" to you, as you prefer to call it.

By extension of your logic, an earth-centered model is equally as valid as a sun-centered model. They're both old ideas, right? Newtonian physics and Special Relativity both work just as well, they've been around for a long time. Hell, Newton is probably more valid, it's older, yes?

Well, have I talked any "since" into you, now? I'm guessing that I didn't, I know your sort.

quote:Originally posted by Metalligod:

If you don't have anything intelligent or constructive to say, shut the hell up you cum-guzzling queer!!!!!!!!

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Note how this post was neither intelligent nor constructive. Stupid ass, shut up. You're only embarassing yourself.

quote:Originally posted by Armed&Angry:

Note how this post was neither intelligent nor constructive. Stupid ass, shut up. You're only embarassing yourself.

Bitch if you were smart that message would have been intelligent for you. The average asshole could grasp the purpose of that message. But I guess that just shows how below everything you are.

Its purpose was to get you to see that your message didn't contribute to the growth of the conversation, it took away from it. Your message was stupid, invalid, and childish.

No one needed it, no one learned anything from it, and again it wasn't constructive. You came off like an angry babbling dumbass, which is what you are.(now, did you notice that?!)

So you and your dick ridin friend can eat shit and die slow!(Assholeofzen)

Have a nice day. http://www.totse.com/bbs/rolleyes.gif (http://www.totse.com/bbs/rolleyes.gif)

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quote:Originally posted by Metalligod:

Bitch...Have a nice day. http://www.totse.com/bbs/rolleyes.gif (http://www.totse.com/bbs/rolleyes.gif)



note how your own message fails to it's very own criteria.

note, also, how you failed to respond to my post.

edit: quote:o, and don't forget the highly informative and very intelligent:

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quote:Originally posted by ashesofzen:

How...intellectual...of you.

Let me put it in a way that will hopefully make "since" to you, as you prefer to call it.

By extension of your logic, an earth-centered model is equally as valid as a sun-centered model. They're both old ideas, right? Newtonian physics and Special Relativity both work just as well, they've been around for a long time. Hell, Newton is probably more valid, it's older, yes?

Well, have I talked any "since" into you, now? I'm guessing that I didn't, I know your sort.

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Ya see the idiocy I'm talkin about, that's why I didn't respond to what ever this person is the last time. It doesn't know what the hell it's talking about. It just wants to bitch, so I'm guessing it's a fat menopausal whore.

I can't recall saying anything about old things being invalid, but bitches do like to bark for no reason. Keep on barking fidhoe. another example of unintelligence, and uselessness.

BTW:It's how intelligent, not how intellectual.

Yeah, you have real intelligence...how Einstein would have envied you. HA!

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quote:Originally posted by Metalligod:

Ya see the idiocy I'm talkin about, that's why I didn't respond to what ever this person is the last time. It doesn't know what the hell it's talking about. It just wants to bitch, so I'm gussing it's a fat menopausal whore.

I can't recall saying anything about old things being invalid, but bitches do like to bark for no reason. Keep on barking fidhoe. another example of unintelligence, and uselessness.[/B]

actually, young adult male.

if you can't take the heat, don't get in the fire.

you rambled on about how "BTW: everything in the bible is OLD, so the new testament is a part of the old. No excaping it. Your either with it all the way or none the way."

yet you put more weight on the old testament, despite the fact that the new testament was meant to reform the old.

secondly, stop referring to "christians." christianity is a very diverse set of smaller sects, each having different doctrines.

quote:Originally posted by Armed&Angry:

Except that the Old Testament is included largely to establish historicity, not as a means of conveying the Law. Name one Christian clergyman who says the OT supersedes the NT. One. Just one./b]

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Back to the subject.

Who in the bloody hell said that the OT sperceded the NT in the first place? No one. What are you whining about. Do you even know? I said what I said because according to(assuming that you are christian) your bible, all of you didn't follow all of its rules. Which is true, therefore your going to hell.

You came with that weak and invalid response. But someone has recalled my little rebutal for your statement already now let me just...(copy)...(paste)...voila:Actually, the old rules still apply, as do the new ones. (Matthew 5:17-19)-I needn't say anymore on this.

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quote:Originally posted by ashesofzen:

actually, young menopausal adult male.



Dude I don't think that's possible, but whatever.



if you can't take the heat, don't get in the fire.

????(Sounds like my mother)

you rambled on about how "BTW: everything in the bible is OLD, so the new testament is a part of the old. No excaping it. Your either with it all the way or none the way."

yet you put more weight on the old testament, despite the fact that the new testament was meant to reform the old.

Well if the points I'm trying to make are from the old tesament what the hell am I supposed to do,'Genius'?



secondly, stop referring to "christians." christianity is a very diverse set of smaller sects, each having different doctrines.

Dum dum, that's why I said "CHRISTIANS OF ALL CREEDS" or did you conveniently miss that? I am lazy, admittingly so, and I didn't feel like typing: Catholic, Episcopalians , etc. If you don't lke that so what!

BTW: Admittingly-I know it's not a word but nor is supersedes, besides you get the message(well, then again it is you I'm talking about)

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Saying "Christians of All Creeds" (CoACs?) is just like saying Christians; you still cannot reduce them all down so simply.

Or, that is, how will you defend your statement that any Christian, regardless of denomination, must accept every word written in every version of the Bible ever published?

edit: One more question: have you ever read up on the (at least, Catholic) sacrament of confession?

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quote:Originally posted by ashesofzen:

Saying "Christians of All Creeds" (CoACs?) is just like saying Christians; you still cannot reduce them all down so simply.

Anyone who reads that post properly will understand that I meant all of them and not all of them. It's the same as me saying humans are dumb, instead of naming everyone. I don't mean every human, but I am saying that they can be, and they are dumb. (I know it really isn't clear because were not in person, but hopefully you get it now.)

Or, that is, how will you defend your statement that any Christian, regardless of denomination, must accept every word written in every version of the Bible ever published?

Occurding to their own Bible they do have to accept it. But the point was from the begging of my posts, that they shouldn't try to force it upon everyone else. Especially not when they, themselves don't even follow it.

And again I don't mean all Christians, I mean those who do it. And those who do it come from all groups of Christianity. You might not see it now, but maybe when you get older.



They're taking over the media and they're gonna force feed their beliefs to everyone. in a word 'Censorship.' You'll start to see it, how they despise the human body, how they hate words that have little or no meaning. Their gonna keep telling everyone what's good for them and try to 'shield' us from the things that 'harm.'

edit: One more question: have you ever read up on the (at least, Catholic) sacrament of confession?

No sir, I'm not sure if I did. Is that the same thing as the Sacrement of Penance thing or something like that? The confession stuff, where ppl talk to a Father to confess their sins to be forgiven? If it's not then definately no.

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The media stuff may sound like crazy talk to everyone but you'll see it if you don't already. And about the stuff I said, the 'you don't see it yet'it has nothing to do with age, trust me. I'm probably younger than you.

And if your going where I think your going with this confession stuff, don't even.

BTW:&lt;&lt;&lt; (Is this annoying)- Though I picked up sarcasm, I like the way you weren't an ass in this post you should try this more often, it suits you better.



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How many religions before Judaism?



lets count.

How many families?

that number is the amount of religions before "jesus cam to earth"

If jesus was the almighty savior, well we'd all be christians.

Judaism used to be a polythestic relgion...

Read genisis it says there are "FAthers" of a certain thing. Wasn't "god" a father....

Look, christians are wrong, becuase how could we prove/disporve the 'god' theory? "The world is here" is not a good arguement

quote:Originally posted by Metalligod:

Back to the subject.

Who in the bloody hell said that the OT sperceded the NT in the first place? No one. What are you whining about. Do you even know? I said what I said because according to(assuming that you are christian) your bible, all of you didn't follow all of its rules. Which is true, therefore your going to hell.

Pay attention, dumbass. I've already stated that I am not a Christian, I am an atheist, and my point is that the reasons behind Christian evangelism are wholly altruistic. You fucking waste of amino acids.

You said Christians "pick and choose" the rules they want to. At least at the doctrinal level (which is what we're worried about here), this is simply untrue. Jesus (or, more likely, the "apostle" Paul) chose which rules of the Old Testament (not many beyond the 10 commandments) were to be followed. You also "can't recall a place in the Bible that says you're allowed to do that," which, more than anything, tells me you should read the damn thing before you shoot your mouth off. Jesus specifically described his death as "the new covenant in my blood," and there are several examples in the NT of the Apostles breaking th Old Covenant with God's blessing. Shit, kid, you're just talking out of your ass.

Nope, I think of this.

http://www.wsbtv.com/education/2928251/detail.html

I personally am a Christian, and I've prayed for people and invited them to come to church if they wanted to but I've never pestered them about it and i've NEVER tried to force someone to believe if they didn't want to because that just pisses most people off. There was a while when i was doubting my faith and one day, something happened to make everything just click and i realized God was there and sorta just guiding the way for me, so i can't say i don't think he's there, but until something happens and you see his works for yourself, then there's nothing that would make you believe, so the only way i try to "convert" people is just to live a good life and show people that they can have fun eeven if they are Christian, it seems to be a lot more effective then just pestering people about it until they get mad and then have the urge to bash Christians in general.

quote:Originally posted by Armed&Angry:

Pay attention, dumbass. I've already stated that I am not a Christian, I am an atheist, and my point is that the reasons behind Christian evangelism are wholly altruistic. You fucking waste of amino acids.

You said Christians "pick and choose" the rules they want to. At least at the doctrinal level (which is what we're worried about here), this is simply untrue. Jesus (or, more likely, the "apostle" Paul) chose which rules of the Old Testament (not many beyond the 10 commandments) were to be followed. You also "can't recall a place in the Bible that says you're allowed to do that," which, more than anything, tells me you should read the damn thing before you shoot your mouth off. Jesus specifically described his death as "the new covenant in my blood," and there are several examples in the NT of the Apostles breaking th Old Covenant with God's blessing. Shit, kid, you're just talking out of your ass.

Can someone tell this inbred bitch that the rules I posted does not go beyond the ten commanments. Cor'Fucken'rect me if I'm wrong, but the ten commandments are in exodus. Now none of the rules that I posted go beyond exodus.

You faggot bitch, if you want to argue, know whatin the bloody hell your rambling about. I was correct in saying not all christians follow all the rules. I would fucking love for you to point me to one who does, just one. You FUCKING DOLT!

I couldn't give a fuck if you were atheist, agnostic, gay, bi, or thai one way or the. other. Could not, would not, should not give a parrots pussy about it.



My problem with you is that you come on here and bitch about something you know nothing, or little about. I've read the bible through and through several times, for the simple reason, that I like to know what the hell I'm talking about.

And yeah, I can't recall a part in the bible that says that ppl can pick and choose which rules to follow. Now, plz do tell me what part of the bible says that, not one that you've wrote up yourself, the real bible!

And FYI, if I could talk out of my ass I'd be rich and not wasting my fucken time on you. You are the ass talker here, you are an ass, and you can only talk shit. Nothing you say has to do with what you are responding to. All your words invalid. You should go cobain yourself your useless.

Now anyone who can prove a word of what I said wrong plz do, cause I love to learn.

As for ArmedwithStupidity, CHOKE ON A FAT DICK AND DIE!

BTW: The next time you call me kid, think of this: This kids' got brains, and I being an ass, can only have shit for brains. http://www.totse.com/bbs/confused.gif (http://www.totse.com/bbs/confused.gif)

"the devil can quote scripture..."

i think they should have more movies where jesus gets the shit beat out of him (-: you know how many satanic guys would pop boners watching jesus die? oh god... the possibilities are endless...

actually, most of the satanists i know wouldn't even bother going.

unless, you're talking about the sp00ky "let's kill some goats!!!1" satanists?

Wow, after reading this entire topic, i must admit that Metalligod has the strongest point amongst all of you. And after being raised a Christian my hole life i think i have some say in this. I work at my church in a daycare and see this brain-washing first hand. It's hard to believe that no one sees any wrong and forcing children to believe something. Can any Christian in here honestly say they would be chrstian had they been raised of some other religion or as an atheist? Christianity as well as many major religions has been so warped by politics *COUGH*Roman Catholics*COGUH* that the true idea of the religion was lost. I have decided that i will wait till i am of age and wisdom to decide on a religion or a system of beliefs, i can't see it any other way.

SEN D-F also knows what he is talking about, i often watch the 700 club just to get mad at that ignorant bastard.

And as for Armed and Angry it takes balls to defend the catholics... careful

-the truth shall set you free

-Criscocy

My belief is that if I come bang on your door until you answer it and try to sell you a pamphlet that you will be saved from the eternal hellfires and I must eat your face on the doorstep to stop you from sinning and going back to your evil ways.

quote:Originally posted by Metalligod:

Can someone tell this inbred bitch that the rules I posted does not go beyond the ten commanments. Cor'Fucken'rect me if I'm wrong, but the ten commandments are in exodus. Now none of the rules that I posted go beyond exodus.

You faggot bitch, if you want to argue, know whatin the bloody hell your rambling about. I was correct in saying not all christians follow all the rules. I would fucking love for you to point me to one who does, just one. You FUCKING DOLT!

I couldn't give a fuck if you were atheist, agnostic, gay, bi, or thai one way or the. other. Could not, would not, should not give a parrots pussy about it.



My problem with you is that you come on here and bitch about something you know nothing, or little about. I've read the bible through and through several times, for the simple reason, that I like to know what the hell I'm talking about.

And yeah, I can't recall a part in the bible that says that ppl can pick and choose which rules to follow. Now, plz do tell me what part of the bible says that, not one that you've wrote up yourself, the real bible!

And FYI, if I could talk out of my ass I'd be rich and not wasting my fucken time on you. You are the ass talker here, you are an ass, and you can only talk shit. Nothing you say has to do with what you are responding to. All your words invalid. You should go cobain yourself your useless.

Now anyone who can prove a word of what I said wrong plz do, cause I love to learn.

As for ArmedwithStupidity, CHOKE ON A FAT DICK AND DIE!

BTW: The next time you call me kid, think of this: This kids' got brains, and I being an ass, can only have shit for brains. http://www.totse.com/bbs/confused.gif (http://www.totse.com/bbs/confused.gif)

My, what eloquence! Incitement to fellatio and accusations of homosexuality... my, Metalligod, you must be awfully proud of yourself.

Listen closely, you pathetic worm. Did I not say that I was speaking about the doctrinal level, not the personal? Christ, are you even literate, or are you dictating your posts to trained monkey? I believe the exact words I used to describe which OT rules are valid in the Christian religion were "not many beyond the ten commandments." How your addled little brain derives "The Book of Exodus is all modern canon law!" from this simple statement is beyond me. I wasn't talking about the Book as a whole, you simple little fool. The ten commandments are all viewed as doctrine because Jesus himself, while establishing a new covenant, restated and reinforced them. So how about you shut the fuck up and stop embarassing yourself, hmm?

Did you know there's a part of the brain specialized for religion and religious experiences?

did you know that assertions have little meaning with nothing to back them up?

omfg.. this has got to be the biggest pile off ignorant, close-minded, stupid shit ive ever seen in my entire fucking life. I am a proud Christian. What does this mean? To you? It should mean NOTHING. Christianity emphasizes one rule, and one rule only. Love your neighbour, as you would love one to love yourself. Dont get all pissed off because "Christianity wont let you eat fucking lobsters" or "If your Jewish God will anally rape you"

All of that is stupid bullshit. You Radical athiests honestly should be shot. You have no right discriminating against all Christians. I dont belong to any fucking Church or anything, i pray as much as i can, and when i pray, its moreover a spiritual, meditative thing then the typical "Our Father, Amen" kind of prayer. So much ignorance being talked about here. Just because some church woman comes to your door selling bibles doesn't mean that all the fucking Christians in the fucking world get together and discuss how we are gonna try to get everyone to buy our bibles and what not. No, its not like that. Its not Christians you people hate, its the values we have, the values of love and commitment and giving without thinking about recieving. Not your stupid "sex before marriage" bull shit and whatever. Do you have a problem with people coming to your door trying to convert you? Then go to your local church and ask them to stop coming to your fucking door. God fucking damnit, stop bitching and moaning like little fucking kids. I have no problems whatsoever with Athiesm, or any other religion out there. I love debating over the roots of God, and what not. But when someone insults my own religion, because they want to prove why they are Athiests, is totally unacceptable, people like this should be fucking sent to Antarctica so you can freeze your ass to death, you won't be missed.

Understand this, its not Christians you are angry at, it is the values that Christianity expresses. And the value is simple, treat others as you want to be treated. If you can't follow that simple rule, which is moreover a fucking moral of living a happy life. Then consider suicide and rid the world of your existance. I understand some Christians outthere are total assholes and hotheaded mother fuckers, and if you have problems with them, its not because their Christians, its because of THEM. Its because their Human, BELIEVE IT OR NOT, IN THE HUMAN RACE ASSHOLES DO EXIST! Stop blaming Christianity for everyone of your little bitches and moans, assholes.

quote:Originally posted by Criscocy:

Wow, after reading this entire topic, i must admit that Metalligod has the strongest point amongst all of you. And after being raised a Christian my hole life i think i have some say in this. I work at my church in a daycare and see this brain-washing first hand. It's hard to believe that no one sees any wrong and forcing children to believe something. Can any Christian in here honestly say they would be chrstian had they been raised of some other religion or as an atheist? Christianity as well as many major religions has been so warped by politics *COUGH*Roman Catholics*COGUH* that the true idea of the religion was lost. I have decided that i will wait till i am of age and wisdom to decide on a religion or a system of beliefs, i can't see it any other way.

SEN D-F also knows what he is talking about, i often watch the 700 club just to get mad at that ignorant bastard.

And as for Armed and Angry it takes balls to defend the catholics... careful

-the truth shall set you free

-Criscocy

I think you've got the right idea about picking a religion to follow. That was sorta my point. They should let ppl decide what they want to believe. I don't like much about the Amish, but one thing I do like is that they have the HUMAN decency to let their children decide to follow God.

If following Him isn't in your heart, then having it forced into your mind does not make you a true follower.

quote:Originally posted by exesept:

omfg.. this has got to be the biggest pile off ignorant, close-minded, stupid shit ive ever seen in my entire fucking life. I am a proud Christian. What does this mean? To you? It should mean NOTHING. Christianity emphasizes one rule, and one rule only. Love your neighbour, as you would love one to love yourself. Dont get all pissed off because "Christianity wont let you eat fucking lobsters" or "If your Jewish God will anally rape you"

All of that is stupid bullshit. You Radical athiests honestly should be shot. You have no right discriminating against all Christians. I dont belong to any fucking Church or anything, i pray as much as i can, and when i pray, its moreover a spiritual, meditative thing then the typical "Our Father, Amen" kind of prayer. So much ignorance being talked about here. Just because some church woman comes to your door selling bibles doesn't mean that all the fucking Christians in the fucking world get together and discuss how we are gonna try to get everyone to buy our bibles and what not. No, its not like that. Its not Christians you people hate, its the values we have, the values of love and commitment and giving without thinking about recieving. Not your stupid "sex before marriage" bull shit and whatever. Do you have a problem with people coming to your door trying to convert you? Then go to your local church and ask them to stop coming to your fucking door. God fucking damnit, stop bitching and moaning like little fucking kids. I have no problems whatsoever with Athiesm, or any other religion out there. I love debating over the roots of God, and what not. But when someone insults my own religion, because they want to prove why they are Athiests, is totally unacceptable, people like this should be fucking sent to Antarctica so you can freeze your ass to death, you won't be missed.

Understand this, its not Christians you are angry at, it is the values that Christianity expresses. And the value is simple, treat others as you want to be treated. If you can't follow that simple rule, which is moreover a fucking moral of living a happy life. Then consider suicide and rid the world of your existance. I understand some Christians outthere are total assholes and hotheaded mother fuckers, and if you have problems with them, its not because their Christians, its because of THEM. Its because their Human, BELIEVE IT OR NOT, IN THE HUMAN RACE ASSHOLES DO EXIST! Stop blaming Christianity for everyone of your little bitches and moans, assholes.

Lets get this straight, cause I'm about to kill two bitches with one shotgun.

First off I'm not ATHEIST. I simply don't understand why you ignorant fucking ppl can't grasp the point of my messages. And who in hells anus are you. You stupid fucking self-contradicting shit. I mean there's no code, it's not a fucking Ceasar Cipher. What's the prob??????

You stupid cunt-faced bitch plz direct me to the part where I say Christianity is to blame. Or at least the part where I say all humans are this or that.

I wish I had the power to bring ppl back to life, because I'd kill you multiple times! I'd do to you what happen to Jesus in the Passion. You dumb fucking dolt. How in hell can you tell me who the fuck I'm angry at, right now it's YOU! Of that you can be certain. Learn to read, and properly interpret what you read.

I don't give a damn who can eat lobster, I don't care if you can eat pussy! The point was that their were rules that had to be followed, and Christians(those who do this no one ELSE!!) who force their religion on others should stop fucking doing it when they don't fuckin follow all of them, their selves. How can I fuckin make it any clearer? Do you need a damn sky writer?!

You come on here bragging about how your a Christian bitch, and your religion preaches to, and I fucking quote: “Love your neighbour, as you would love one to love yourself." You belligerent, hypocritical, asshole!

You then said, and I again gladly quote: "You Radical athiests honestly should be shot." Your dumbass is a perfect example of the Christian I'm talking about. Plz do worm your way outta this! That's some love, love I don't want nor need any part of!

Now as for the Queen Bitch: ArmedAsshole again your bitching about something your clueless about! You need a fucking life, or some pussy, maybe both. Whatever the case your a stupid bitch, and I now see that learning is an impossibility for you. I'll ignore (or at least try) all of you future posts.

But first I would love anyone with a working brain to plz, plz make sense of this: How your addled little brain derives "The Book of Exodus is all modern canon law!" from this simple statement is beyond me.

What fuckin statement, you quarter of a brain sportin Bush family reject.

Does his sentence seem to be missing some much-needed intelligible parts? I just can't seem to understand its meaning but if you can plz do explain it to me.

He then says:

I wasn't talking about the Book as a whole, you simple little fool. The ten commandments are all viewed as doctrine because Jesus himself, while establishing a new covenant, restated and reinforced them. So how about you shut the fuck up and stop embarrassing yourself, hmm?

Now what is that bitch talking about here? You might as well give a ten year old a thesaurus and let them speak unintelligible things using words that aren’t in their vocab.

When you figure out what your talking about I'll then and only then, give you the privilege of acknowledgement.



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quote:Originally posted by exesept:

omfg.. this has got to be the biggest pile off ignorant, close-minded, stupid shit ive ever seen in my entire fucking life. I am a proud Christian. What does this mean? To you? It should mean NOTHING. Christianity emphasizes one rule, and one rule only. Love your neighbour, as you would love one to love yourself. Dont get all pissed off because "Christianity wont let you eat fucking lobsters" or "If your Jewish God will anally rape you"

care to elaborate on your denomination, it's useless to talk about what doctrine in particular you follow if i don't know what it is. each emphasizes slightly different ideas.

quote:All of that is stupid bullshit. You Radical athiests honestly should be shot. You have no right discriminating against all Christians. I dont belong to any fucking Church or anything, i pray as much as i can, and when i pray, its moreover a spiritual, meditative thing then the typical "Our Father, Amen" kind of prayer.

nevermind, you don't even have one.

quote:So much ignorance being talked about here. Just because some church woman comes to your door selling bibles doesn't mean that all the fucking Christians in the fucking world get together and discuss how we are gonna try to get everyone to buy our bibles and what not.

that's all grand and wonderful, but, i believe the focus of the conversation was about the christians who do proselytize.

quote:No, its not like that. Its not Christians you people hate, its the values we have, the values of love and commitment and giving without thinking about recieving.

actually, i rather dislike the self-flagellation and fear, the generally common blind faith, the "i believe in god so that i'm not gonna end up in hell" attitude which begets much ignorance and evil.

it's rather funny, you talk about how there's no "general christian assembly" and then promptly generalize about "radical atheists," whatever the hell they are.

quote:Not your stupid "sex before marriage" bull shit and whatever. Do you have a problem with people coming to your door trying to convert you? Then go to your local church and ask them to stop coming to your fucking door.

yes, of course, i see it now. it's my responsibility to tell everyone out there to leave me the fuck alone!

to invert this, would you be happy if every day, someone who is an atheist came by your door and gave you several tracts to "save you from wasting your life in meaningless faith?"

quote:God fucking damnit, stop bitching and moaning like little fucking kids. I have no problems whatsoever with Athiesm, or any other religion out there. I love debating over the roots of God, and what not. But when someone insults my own religion, because they want to prove why they are Athiests, is totally unacceptable, people like this should be fucking sent to Antarctica so you can freeze your ass to death, you won't be missed.

why don't you stop bitching and moaning about all those damn immoral atheists? you can go have a pity party!

quote:Understand this, its not Christians you are angry at, it is the values that Christianity expresses. And the value is simple, treat others as you want to be treated. If you can't follow that simple rule, which is moreover a fucking moral of living a happy life.

you live in a very small world, i take it?

quote:Then consider suicide and rid the world of your existance.

encouraging suicide...how very christian of you. http://www.totse.com/bbs/smile.gif (http://www.totse.com/bbs/smile.gif)

quote:I understand some Christians outthere are total assholes and hotheaded mother fuckers, and if you have problems with them, its not because their Christians, its because of THEM. Its because their Human, BELIEVE IT OR NOT, IN THE HUMAN RACE ASSHOLES DO EXIST! Stop blaming Christianity for everyone of your little bitches and moans, assholes.

i'm sorry, but the funny thing about people is that, sometimes, they're gonna do just that.

Oh and another thing just occurred to me, you weak whining coward! You say in another post that sex porn and booze are evil things, however, you sit here and say atheists should be shot simply because they don't have the same narrow-minded, dumbass views you have.

You'd make Hitler proud. You fuckin nincompoop.

Murder is not evil to you but booze is. Ha!!! Your childish mind is laughable, and you should be tortured, have your bottom jaw savagely torn away by rabid dogs.I'd love to watch you die multiple times. Hell hath no fury like mine.

Your so lucky I have a torturing conscience. Cause if I didn't...If ever I was to come across you I'd throw my liberal ideas in the trash to make you beg for hell and watch you as your God let me do whatever I wish to you.

Dancing to your blood boiling screams like it was music played by Apollo himself. You a peice of work, Christian, HA! HOW PATHETICALLY LAUGHABLE YOU ARE.

Ashes you can come in here and point out as many typing errors as you wish because this here is no joke and I won't respond to you on this one. This message to exesept is from the heart. If I have one!



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Hmmm... all this brings up another point... followers of major religions (especially Christians) tend to take their holy writting (the bible) way to literaly. Those scriptures were ment to be something to apply your life to, and make logical applications according the time period, not as a guid book to follow word to word, that's not even possible thanks to how many times they've been translated. - I think ile bring this up sometime on another post.

Hey and can we all agree to take it down a notch? I mean this is "My god can beat the shit out of your god" but that doesn't mean we have to be uncivilized... so lets all lighten up and take some Xanex or something.

-the truth shall set you free

-Criscocy

quote:Originally posted by Metalligod:

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Murder is not evil to you but booze is. Ha!!! Your childish mind is laughable, and you should be tortured, have your bottom jaw savagely torn away by rabid dogs.I'd love to watch you die multiple times. Hell hath no fury like mine.

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You don't see anything contradictory in this paragraph? Moron.

You missed the entire fucking point. I was never hating on Athiests, or YOU MetalliGod, but if you read better and thoroughly then you would understand the message. What i mean by saying "RADICAL ATHIEST" is Athiests that are so fixed on, and so proud of the fact that they don't believe in God as if their life revolves around them telling Catholics, Jews, Muslims, etc.. That their God doesn't exist at all, and just start to bring up their reasoning to do so. Athiesm isn't even a religion, its the belief of having no beliefs, they dont believe in ANYTHING. Their spiritual life is nonexistant, they shouldn't even be talking about spirituality when they have no spirituality.

As for the LOBSTER and whatever posts. I was getting those from the other posts about how someone took quotes from the bible saying that "Christianity sucks, look at these stupid rules"... Do you see where i am going? To me Christianity isn't following stupid rules like "No working on Sundays" and "No Eating Lobsters or Shrimp", the bible shoulwd be respected, but not taken literally, consider the time that the bible was written? Yes. Life then, and life now is REALLY different, take the message and apply it to your own life in an appropriate way.

When i said Radical athiests should be shot and killed, its the same reason some other people want soem annoying christians shot and killed, because they are full of them fucking selves and use religion to bring themselves to sound intelligent, but instead mimic the genius of a fourth grader.



Edit: I forgot to say about the murdur supporting post thats above. Where the hell did i say i support murder you ignorant fuck? I said booze is evil, because it IS you fucking retard. I'm not gonna get into the many cons of drinking alcohol, im gonna leave that to your own stupid mind. You are truly pathetic, consider suicide.



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I'll agree that alcohol has it's bad sides.

But evil? That's a bit extreme.

Anyone who would agree with you exe, would have to be criminally insane. I'm not going to ever again respond to your post it's a waste of my time and a waste of typing space on this site. And you are a complete waste of atoms.

I hate, hate, hate Ashes passionately but I'm sure even he'd agree that your low. He could even see the un-misunderstandable contradictions you've made to your own words and your religion.

See what happen was that you came on here all high and mighty with your religion as your sword. And stupidly stabbed yourself in the ass.

There is no need to even go and quote your stupid shit.

I can't seem to see where I've misinterpreted any of your writings. They're just dumb admit it. You said specifically that atheist should be shot. I can't seem to understand how that could possibly have been misinterpreted. So if anyone finds a way plz insight me.

To hell with it, just for kicks: You Radical athiests honestly should be shot.

You can try and walk you way around it all day but BITCH here is the part where you support murder. Now eat shit and die slow!

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Because I support murder? Good for me? Do i walk around and kill people? No. ever heard of a figure of speech? You say i should eat shit and die, so do YOU support murder? ITS A FUCKING FORUM GROW UP.



^_^ hahahahahahahahah

quote:Originally posted by Armed&Angry:

You don't see anything contradictory in this paragraph? Moron.

No, no I don't you smug little bitch. What's contradictory about it? I've never been the one to preach murder is bad, however exesept did. Now If you could plz show me a post of mines that stateS otherwise, DO SO.

Sometimes murder is bad and sometimes it's good. If a little girl gets killed that sorta sparks some rage in me. But cold I am, and cold I no longer deny I am.

Now if Bin-Laden was to be murdered or tortured I'd be laughing at the top of my lungs. You should see me when I watch the certain movies, it's tickles me to watch them die.

I have a heart, yeah, this little red bitch in my chest is dark. But that I no longer deny. I just deny it the senseless killing, and unprovoked harm of others.

Ya see I long constantly to do things to others that other human minds have yet to fathom. But I don't act on every impulse, and feeling that I get.

That was my point! dON'T FUCKING BLAME BOOZE AND PORN AND DAMNED SONG LYRICS FOR THE SHIT YOU do!!!!!

Own up to it. Now plz plz tell me how I was contradicting anything.

Ya know you come on here and find stupid little things to say about my posts, but I notice you never offer any knowledge. It seems you've been begging for my attention, well you now have it. Enlighten me.

Look....I don't know nor understand it.

What ever you get out of it couldn't truly be worth anything. Whatever your mind&lt;&lt;&lt;lack of a better word&lt;&lt; gets out of bothering me. Whatever mentally orgasmic pleasure you get out of it, just get it and leave me alone. Plz.

You never offer anything to know, not a cintilla of enlightenment. So post your little reply, whatever just so long as you leave me alone. PLZ.

I walked into this thread, and have the urge to just tip-toe right back out... Ah well...

I don't know where to begin shoveling my thoughts and opinions out. Lets first say that I have no [set] beliefs in anything, and right now the best way to describe myself is as a person searching.

There are quite a few gross simplifications and generalizations in this thread, and the "sides" aren't seeing eye to eye at all...

Anyway, IMHO this should be interated: you can't prove the validity of any system from within that system (except concerning issues that are also (and only) within that system) and you can't disprove any other system -indeed, you can't even truly understand that system because the mechanics are different.

For all you "ex-Christians," please think about this: you look back on those days and think "I was close-minded, ignorant, needy, or [insert here]." But is that really the case? There was a time in my life when I turned to the Bible for answers, and for a time that suited me just fine. When I look back on myself, I don't just see a different person, I see a different world that person was in. A different system. Theists, soft atheists, and hard atheists exist in different worlds- no denying it from my point of view. but we all think we do. "You're wrong" or "your right" is natural human tendency -and yes, even more so when you think something is at stake in the process.

The whole thing is, in one shape or form, to exert dominance -again, a natural human tendency: to try for the alpha position. The fact that this thread so quickly degenerated to ad hominem arguments, belittling remarks and so on just proves the point.

On another note, I find that I disagree with most Christians about what is even possible. However, in our society, atheists (both hard and soft) rally for control of the public arena and try to remove the mention of God from just about everything they can. you COULD look at this as Proselytizing through suppression -by filling children with neo-darwinian evolution and humanism before they even get a chance to even think about a god.

One generalization I will make is that most Christians seem to think this or something like it. They are on the defensive against a society that is trying to snuff them out with "false logic and vain deceit." Or whatever. So they "take it to the streets."

I'm not saying that this is how I think it is, this is just how it appears they think to me -of course, even though I have met quite a few Christians, it is from a relatively small area.

I could be wrong

Personally, I think the Bible would have a lot more charm if it were some unheard of dusty book I found in the back of a library.

no one exists in a "different world," be he christian, atheist, pagan, or anything else.

quote:Originally posted by Metalligod:

Now plz plz tell me how I was contradicting anything.



- You belittled another poster for saying that alcohol is evil but murder is not. Ergo, murder is wrong.

- You then called for their torture and savage death at the hands of rabid dogs. Ergo, murder is neato-keen.

THESE ARE MUTUALLY EXCLUSIVE STATEMENTS. PICK A POSITION, YOU FOOLISH LITTLE BITCH.

And quit with that "I've got a black heart and ice in my veins" bullshit. Yeah, wow, you're such a badass that you can argue over the internet. I'm quaking.

quote:Originally posted by Ekdikos:

However, in our society, atheists (both hard and soft) rally for control of the public arena and try to remove the mention of God from just about everything they can. you COULD look at this as Proselytizing

Not allowing the government and schools to proselytize is the same as proselytizing ourselves? Please.

I've never seen an atheist try to have mention of God removed from somewhere where it is legitimate; you're free to talk about it, you're free to wear whatever symbols you wish, you're free to watch shows about your religion on TV.

I honestly don't care what you believe or choose to discuss; that is, until you try and get God into schools or government.

quote:by filling children with neo-darwinian evolution and humanism before they even get a chance to even think about a god.

We fill children with evolution because it's a fact, the same reason we fill them with heliocentrism and spherical earth-ism (both of which contradict the bible if you take a sufficiently literal view).

But how do we fill them with humanism? By promoting tolerance of other religions?

I realise what you said is what a lot of Christians believe, but it's simply untrue. Their religion has made them so paranoid that they're willing to believe there is an atheist conspiracy out to destroy them.

Of course, this generally only applies to the fundamentalist ones. There are Christians who are fairly mellow about this kind of stuff and though I still think their beliefs are incorrect I don't hate them nearly as much.

quote:Originally posted by Sephiroth:

Grammar*

hahaha....got to love it.

well said Edikos.



As for you Craftian, stop taking quotes from the bible literally. How many times must it be said, quoting the bible and using it for example is like taking out a 40 year old newspaper and start talking about how the current times are. Understand the era the bible was written in, by who, and how much of the information is wrong/outdated/plain stupid.

quote:Originally posted by Armed&Angry:

- You belittled another poster for saying that alcohol is evil but murder is not. Ergo, murder is wrong.

- You then called for their torture and savage death at the hands of rabid dogs. Ergo, murder is neato-keen.

THESE ARE MUTUALLY EXCLUSIVE STATEMENTS. PICK A POSITION, YOU FOOLISH LITTLE BITCH.

And quit with that "I've got a black heart and ice in my veins" bullshit. Yeah, wow, you're such a badass that you can argue over the internet. I'm quaking.

Eurika, you've done it again. You've found yet another dumbass thing to say. Another dumb, pointless post, this has got to be a world record.

Now pay attention! Nice touch on the ice in veins thing, but it really doesn't describe me. Ergo- so listen up you stupid FUCKING TRASHBAG HOE! And grow-up already, there's something wrong with a man saying quaking. Sounds like a 8yr old.



Now I can't recall a post that I've made, that suggest close to what you've gotten out of it.

I fail to understand how you got, I don't condone murder. Out of a post I made, grilling someone who comes on here preaching religion, a religion that prohibits an act, that he(exesept) endorses.

I fail to understand how you can be so stupid to not see that I was grilling him because he said alcohol is bad, porn is evil. But then goes on to condone an act of murder. You should have your testicles gnawed off by a school of paranahs.

He says alcohol use is bad, yet Jesus(a HIGH Figure in his religion) was a wine drinker. And condoned the wine drinking of others.

Your right I grilled HIM for not saying murder was evil but all the other stupid things he said were. How, in any way did I suggest that I thought murder was bad. How fuckin lame and stupid can you be? How could you not see the difference?

From the begging of my posts in this forum, my point was, again(damn I have to keep restating it for the dumb) was that some Christians try to force their religion on others when they didn't follow all of its rules themselves. And, or didn't believe in all its rules.

I pointed out only that HE didn't think it was bad. HE, not ME! Can you now see the fuckin difference? I mean what'll it take, you useless, diseased whore? What can make you see the difference?

Notice that no one else interpreted it the way you did, what does that tell YOU about YOU?!

Again you post a useless mess., that no one needed to see. I've done my part, now plz do yours. Don't make dumb fuckin post about me. Just leave me out of everything that has to do with you.

BTW:I never said that I wanted him to be killed by rabid dogs, where the hell do you get this stuff? Why don't you try and stick to the script. I wanted only that his mandible be ripped off by rabid dogs. Not for him to be killed, so bitch get it right.

If he's dead then he can't suffer, I'd much rather watch someone suffer, rather than have them die.

Now if the Christian version of hell exists, then YOU pick a position you SMUG LITTLE BITCH! Becasue Satans' gonna shove barbed wire up your ass and yank it out, you sexless fuckin drone!!!

ABTW: I hope he doesn't damage your brain in the process. Shit for brains!

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Ekdikos:

Anyway, IMHO this should be interated: you can't prove the validity of any system from within that system (except concerning issues that are also (and only) within that system) and you can't disprove any other system -indeed, you can't even truly understand that system because the mechanics are different.

Aren't there, at least, some logical conventions that will hold for all? Isn't there some set of rules that holds true on the largest scale?

For all you "ex-Christians," please think about this: you look back on those days and think "I was close-minded, ignorant, needy, or [insert here]." But is that really the case? There was a time in my life when I turned to the Bible for answers, and for a time that suited me just fine. When I look back on myself, I don't just see a different person, I see a different world that person was in. A different system.

Is this to imply that what you believe changes the way the world works? I'd say that it was, in fact, your perspective which changed--not the world.

Theists, soft atheists, and hard atheists exist in different worlds- no denying it from my point of view. but we all think we do. "You're wrong" or "your right" is natural human tendency -and yes, even more so when you think something is at stake in the process.

Of course "right and wrong" is that natural tendency; there is truth, and falsehood. When they meet, something has to give.

On another note, I find that I disagree with most Christians about what is even possible. However, in our society, atheists (both hard and soft) rally for control of the public arena and try to remove the mention of God from just about everything they can.

Personally, it's meaningless to me; I don't really care what they say or do as long as they stay the hell out of my life.

you COULD look at this as Proselytizing through suppression -by filling children with neo-darwinian evolution and humanism before they even get a chance to even think about a god.

proselytize: 1: to induce someone to convert to one's faith or 2: to recruit someone to join one's party, institution, or cause (merriam-webster.com)

By that definition, at least, suppression in and of itself is not proselytizing.

Personally, I think the Bible would have a lot more charm if it were some unheard of dusty book I found in the back of a library.

well thought-out post, i must say.

Metalligod:

Now if the Christian version of hell exists, then YOU pick a position you MARF MARF MARF MARF MARF!

I'll interject here--if Hell exists as either a physical or spiritual position, my conduct and stance would not change. I, as a person, do my best to live a moral life as an individual. If an "all-good" God cannot realize that I was not an evil person, I want no part of his Heaven.

What other option is Craftian left with when the opinons of the religious right hold so much power in the US and generally define the popular image of what "chrisitanity" is?

I agree with you though...!

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Metalligod:

Now if the Christian version of hell exists, then YOU pick a position you MARF MARF MARF MARF MARF!

I'll interject here--if Hell exists as either a physical or spiritual position, my conduct and stance would not change. I, as a person, do my best to live a moral life as an individual. If an "all-good" God cannot realize that I was not an evil person, I want no part of his Heaven.



I still love ya, you MARF MARF MARF MARF!

Question: Dude why do you take up for A&A all the time?

I mean it was a little thought of mine that you two were life partners or something. But I was ribbing when I said it.

I mean you had nothing at all to do with the conversation and you, like superman, jump in to defend him. What's up with that?

BTW: What in the bloody hell is MARF!?

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so, that makes me a "SMUG LITTLE BITCH!"?

quote:Originally posted by ashesofzen:

so, that makes me a "SMUG LITTLE BITCH!"?

See this is why I love you.

I don't understand you and as hard as I try to get angry, I just laugh when I read your posts.

I don't know what your talkin about.

But one thing is certainly true, you are Smug.

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Wow, where to start. First off A&A my respect for you continues to grow it really surprised me to see an atheist sticking up for christians.

Metalligod-all previous bitching taken into account, christians (for the most part) are some of the nicest people you will ever meet and almost all of the ones that I know would never try to push religon and their views on someone who wasn't interested. If you want to pick on christians and bitch about them go after roaman catholics they are the most like the christians you were talking about (haughty, pushing views on people, superiority complex, etc). Also after reading through your posts I have to agree with A&A, and though you may have read the bible many times that doesn't amount to much if you don't understand what it is really saying.

BTW you said in ine post that you are not an atheist, if that is true what are you?

quote:Originally posted by Shadowfox171:

Wow, where to start. First off A&A my respect for you continues to grow it really surprised me to see an atheist sticking up for christians.

Metalligod-all previous bitching taken into account, christians (for the most part) are some of the nicest people you will ever meet and almost all of the ones that I know would never try to push religon and their views on someone who wasn't interested. If you want to pick on christians and bitch about them go after roaman catholics they are the most like the christians you were talking about (haughty, pushing views on people, superiority complex, etc). Also after reading through your posts I have to agree with A&A, and though you may have read the bible many times that doesn't amount to much if you don't understand what it is really saying.

BTW you said in ine post that you are not an atheist, if that is true what are you?

See this is the shit that pisses me off!! How is it so hard to fuckin see that I continuously said "Those who do it." "Only the Christians who do it, not all."

It's not fuckin hard ta see. If you stupid fuckin ppl would read further then you'd realize how stupid you are.

Armed listen up, coz I'm bout ta endorse more murder...



You all should be savagely raped and then have your flesh seared off!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Those of you who have posted a repsonse that's along the lines of: You shouldn't say all Christians.

Except Ashes http://www.totse.com/bbs/smile.gif (http://www.totse.com/bbs/smile.gif) at least he offered more to say, and didn't make the same kind of post after I explained it.

Now as for the rest, show me a part where I say all Christians try and push their religion on others.

Oh and to answer your question, I am human.

I've been blessed with a brain which allows me to think, and use reason and logic before I make a choice on something.

Therefore, I'm closer to being agnostic. I don't believe that God is as He's described in the bible, and I can't prove that there is no god.

So I stand alone. And whatever happens to me after I'm gone, will happen. If God is a true being and He is as I believe Him to be. Then I forgive Him.

BTW:Hopefully, you ppl,(yes this time I mean All Christians included) realize the difference when I say God, and god.

And for my dear old Ashes, when I capitalize He, and Him(some of the things you complained about), I'm referring to God.

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Metalligod:

And for my dear old Ashes, when I capitalize He, and Him(some of the things you complained about), I'm referring to God.



I cannot remember once telling you off for improper capitalization of personals for God. As I mentioned in the other thread, I know the rules for capitalization, I just don't bother to use that knowledge.

But one thing is certainly true, you are Smug.

smug: highly self-satisfied (merriam-webster.com)

Yes. I am smug. Is that supposed to be bad?

Question: Dude why do you take up for A&A all the time?

I'm sorry? When did it become forbidden to reply to any post? I have no particular care either way for Armed&Angry; I post when I have something to say.

BTW: What in the bloody hell is MARF!?

A convenient way to shorten long posts full of inane stupidity. Akin to "blah," but meant to convey emotion rather than apathy. I suppose you could say I coined it, at some point.

quote:Originally posted by exesept:

As for you Craftian, stop taking quotes from the bible literally.

You missed my point. The people that are going on and on about neo-Darwinian indoctrination do take the bible literally.

That's the cause of the whole problem.

What are they going to save me from?

I DONT WANT TO BE SAVED!!!!

I dont believe in sin, or hell.

The christian god is the ultimate terrorist - do it my way or I will kill you slowly.

Christians suck ass, I cant believe they can be so stupid.

hakaidojojo - follow your heart, and be honest with yourself, it is all you can do!

I regard any books written by Paul to be suspect - they are the only ones in the NT that tell you what you can and can't do - last I heard we all had free will and could do what we liked as long as we accept responsabiliyt for our actions...

quote:Originally posted by ashesofzen:

Metalligod:

And for my dear old Ashes, when I capitalize He, and Him(some of the things you complained about), I'm referring to God.



I cannot remember once telling you off for improper capitalization of personals for God. As I mentioned in the other thread, I know the rules for capitalization, I just don't bother to use that knowledge.

But one thing is certainly true, you are Smug.

smug: highly self-satisfied (merriam-webster.com)

Yes. I am smug. Is that supposed to be bad?

Question: Dude why do you take up for A&A all the time?

I'm sorry? When did it become forbidden to reply to any post? I have no particular care either way for Armed&Angry; I post when I have something to say.

BTW: What in the bloody hell is MARF!?

A convenient way to shorten long posts full of inane stupidity. Akin to "blah," but meant to convey emotion rather than apathy. I suppose you could say I coined it, at some point.

No I said you were smug because it was true. I didn't post that like it was supposed to be a put down, because it wasn't a put down. It's just true.

Now as for you posting, your babbling again. I never said you couldn't do anything for someone else, I asked why you always did for that person. And on top of that when you responded to those post you personalized your reply.

For example:"I'll interject here--if Hell exists as either a physical or spiritual position, my conduct and stance would not change. I, as a person, do my best to live a moral life as an individual. If an "all-good" God cannot realize that I was not an evil person, I want no part of his Heaven."

For another example since you still insist on bevhaving like a dumbass,:"So that makes me a SMUG LITTLE BITCH"

When ever have I said that you were, babbling idiot?

Dude what are you talking about? I wasn't talking to you, you totally made it about YOU!

Like what I was saying was directed at you. And again I wanted to no why nothing more. Just Why?

The reply was good, but why did you make it about YOU?

I just thought you didn't understand when I capitalized He, and Him because in a previous post you made it seem that way. But lets not dig so deep into the past.

It seems you are a little hostal, in your recent post. What is this steming from? Whatever the case let it go. If you are in fact hostal.



Edit:He'll never learn give up on this imbecile.

Edit: tag he still hasn't learned. just wants to fyo, a-m-h-l-l-a-j!!!!!

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Metalligod:

Now as for you posting, your babbling again. I never said you couldn't do anything for someone else, I asked why you always did for that person. And on top of that when you responded to those post you personalized your reply.

For example:"I'll interject here--if Hell exists as either a physical or spiritual position, my conduct and stance would not change. I, as a person, do my best to live a moral life as an individual. If an "all-good" God cannot realize that I was not an evil person, I want no part of his Heaven."

Dude what are you talking about? I wasn't talking to you, you totally made it about YOU!

Like what I was saying was directed at you. And again I wanted to no why nothing more. Just Why?

The reply was good, but why did you make it about YOU?

ashesofzen (previous post):

I'm sorry? When did it become forbidden to reply to any post? I have... ...I post when I have something to say.

edit: tag fix

edit: idiot. trying the tag fix mk. II

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Morality has little/nothing to do with heaven according to the bible. Christian morality is a byproduct of faith in Jesus. Sure you can live a "good" life, but you're still gonna have sin on your record, it's impossible not to. Deleting sin requires a blood sacrifice, that's what Jesus was.

ashesofzen

quote: no one exists in a "different world," be he christian, atheist, pagan, or anything else.

quote: I'd say that it was, in fact, your perspective which changed--not the world.

Yes, exactly. I was just exaggerating to try to point out how differently Theists and Atheists look at the world. To use a painting as an analogy: the type of paint doesn't necessarily have anything to do with the type of strokes, and neither necessarily have anything to do with the picture that is created.

quote:Aren't there, at least, some logical conventions that will hold for all? Isn't there some set of rules that holds true on the largest scale?

It would seem that way, wouldn't it? Even though it isn't necessarily the case, I would agree -there must be one "largest system" that everything else is within and subordinate to. However, to see out from within would be difficult, I think, to say the least. At the very least, I would think that my first statement holds true on a practical level. We should start a thread on that somewhere... It would be an interesting topic.

quote:Of course "right and wrong" is that natural tendency; there is truth, and falsehood. When they meet, something has to give.

I agree with that completely as well, but I also believe that it isn't always "truth and falsehood" that meet and demand ground- that what we believe we will always believe as truth -and as the most rational truth- is a fact of almost every thought a person has. Well, maybe not a fact... http://www.totse.com/bbs/wink.gif (http://www.totse.com/bbs/wink.gif)

quote:Personally, it's meaningless to me; I don't really care what they say or do as long as they stay the hell out of my life.

proselytize: 1: to induce someone to convert to one's faith or 2: to recruit someone to join one's party, institution, or cause (merriam-webster.com)

By that definition, at least, suppression in and of itself is not proselytizing.

Yes, but here I think you take me too literally. By taking one choice and pushing it further and further away, you are vicariously drawing the other choices closer and closer (apparently, that is). In the big picture, suppressing one this is, in effect, advocating another. That is all I was saying, and I apologize for not being more clear on the point.

As far as Christians pushing their beliefs on me, the only time it really bothers me is when I know they are doing for either just money, or as a "number booster" to their church... Very annoying, and angering- if just because those are not "christian reasons." This also includes the "dominance" issue- that they are just right.

However, I do have to admitt that I've meet a dear many Christians who preach because, like so many posts before me have stated, because they have found a "true happiness." It helps me to think of it like this: if I found a genie lamp that gives "eternal" contentment and hapiness just from one rubbing... Or you could even look at it like a "one time million dollar gift," or something. I wouldn't need it after rubbing it, and of course I would want to give it to somebody so that they might enjoy it as well.

And I would have a hard time understanding why someone wouldn't want to rub the lamp. I would think, "no, they must be misunderstanding me somehow... Maybe if I expained it differently." And so on.

When a Christian tries to convert me primarily for this sort of reason, it reminds me of how I ask people on the side of the road if they need a ride somewhere... It is nice to be walking somewhere and see that people will ask if you need a ride.

Again, IMHO

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Without even reading the other posts, besides the first, I'm gonna tell Vago to slow down, take a breath, and remember to use commas, semicolons, and periods - oh, and even the occasional dash. Maybe he won't be as dumb next time, eh? Also, I'm a christian, and I think we should keep our religion to ourselves and those willing to learn it.

Christianity is the science of the ignorant.

-So sayeth Satan's Prodigy.

-Ave Satanas-

Ikdikos

Yes, exactly... ...anything to do with the picture that is created.

While i will give you that the brush strokes and the type of paint need not be directly tied together, to a degree, it is true. Painting with watercolor and painting with acrylics require a different technique--and a technique that works for one may not work for another. And, additionally, the resulting picture is greatly affected by the choice of paint, technique, and by the hand of the artist himself.

This analogy is starting to get really complicated.

It would seem that way... ...holds true on a practical level. We should start a thread on that somewhere... It would be an interesting topic.

As I put it, there are two "types" of logic--logic, and human logic. The difference is important; logic, as it stands, is simply the way the universe works. There aren't numbers, or cute statements--it's just the "way things are." On the other hand, human logic is our attempt to represent and codify the funtioning of the universe. And, like all things of human creation, our logic can be flawed.

I agree with that completely as well, but I also believe that it isn't always "truth and falsehood" that meet and demand ground- that what we believe we will always believe as truth -and as the most rational truth- is a fact of almost every thought a person has. Well, maybe not a fact...

True, I agree. There's always the chance that two falsehoods meet and either decide to go out on a date, or kill each other on the spot. Depends on how compatible they are, I guess.

yes, but here I think you take me too literally... ...not being more clear on the point.

However, on the same page, it is not simply one that is being suppressed. There are so many options available, and from my memory of public school, religion is essentially a taboo subject (except for the odd prayer, they never really upset me much though).

As far as Christians pushing their beliefs... ...It is nice to be walking somewhere and see that people will ask if you need a ride.

As long as they're happy, I don't mind them talking to me...but most of the one's who've come to talk to me aren't.

no god would willingly send anyone to "hell" over anything.jesus freaks can suck my throbbing cock.jesus can too http://www.totse.com/bbs/biggrin.gif (http://www.totse.com/bbs/biggrin.gif)

read the new testament dude.

if you have read the whole bible, and you seem to be a lerned person, you would relise that the whole reason the bible states for jesus coming to the earth and dying was to make a new covernant

the whole reason there is a new testament is to show that the old rules no longer apply and that we do not have to abide by them

and all of those quotes you had were form the old testament.

they NO LONGER APPLY accourding to the bible

quote:Originally posted by dysfunctionaldoll:

read the new testament dude.

if you have read the whole bible, and you seem to be a lerned person, you would relise that the whole reason the bible states for jesus coming to the earth and dying was to make a new covernant

the whole reason there is a new testament is to show that the old rules no longer apply and that we do not have to abide by them

and all of those quotes you had were form the old testament.

they NO LONGER APPLY accourding to the bible



Maybe YOU didn't read the bible, or the rest of my posts thoroughly. If you had, you would have noticed that I and another poster pointed out (Matthew 5:17-19), maybe you should give it a read.