where in the bible does it say that if i just believe in god and jesus i will go to heven

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no where, you have to do more then that

im sorry i didnt elaborate it is just that i am sick of stupid christians say they dont need to be good people all they have to do is beg forgivess and god and jesus will just forgive them and they will go to heaven i have read about half of the new testament and have not found anything about it

John 14:6 - Jesus saith unto him [Thomas], I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me.

Ephesians 2:8 - For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: [it is] the gift of God

Romans 6:23 - For the wages of sin [is] death; but the gift of God [is] eternal life through Jesus Christ our Lord.

John 6:47 - Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that believeth on me hath everlasting life.

Romans 3:10 - For there are none who are righteous.. no, not one

1 John 1:9 - When we confess our sins...God is Faithful and Just to forgive us of our sins and cleanse us of all unrighteousness

Romans 10:9 - If you confess with your mouth, Jesus is Lord, and believe in your heart that God has raised Him from the dead, you will be Saved

Need anymore? Sorry dude, as far as the bible goes, your "Stupid Christians" are correct. According to the bible if you have ever sinned, you have fallen short of heaven. Old Testament jews used to offer blood sacrifices to cleanse sin, but we sin constantly, there aren't enough animals to kill to get one person into heaven. Thats why Jesus' death was necissary. He is the sacrificial lamb that cleanses the sin of all who believe in him. However, if you truly believe in Jesus' sacrifice and his teachings, you will do good anyway. Good works are a sign of strong faith, but they do not get you into heaven.

James 2:14 - What doth it profit, my brethren, though a man say he hath faith, and have not works? can faith save him?

Here's a website that seems to explain it pretty well.

http://www.rationalchristianity.net/perfection.html

theBishop

So what, do we just have to believ in Jesus? Do we have to believe he was who is depicted in the Bible? Do we have to confess? Do we have to do all? If so why does each individual saying seem to stand alone in telling me that thats the way to heaven?

You are supposed to accept jesus into your heart. He will make you live a good life casue he will call you into to doing stuff like feeding refuges from bulgaria or somethign. He will also call you to not sin. So if you do sin you will know its wrong and you will have to stop. I go to a christian private shcool so I hear this all the time but I dont thikn I believe in it

^ Your heart tells you what's right and wrong. What's right for one person is wrong for another.

Everyone has to follow their own path and although Jesus gave guidlines for salvation, it doesn't mean that his way is the right way for everyone at their time of life.

Some people aren't ready to understand what Jesus said.

Either way, i think i answered AR's question, and managed to defend myself from being labeled a "stupid christian", not that what some kid on the internet says about me affects me :-P.

The idea of "belief" is more often than not mere mental assent i.e. signing up to set of creeds or ideas and saying "i believe this".

The heart of Christianity is not in taking up a group of rules or ideals or warm fuzzy feelings. Even the demons he exorcised "belived" he was the son of God!

It is, rather, a concrete response to a man that claimed he was the "Son of God". The question has always been the same. "Follow me".

This response always involves "faith" in the sense that you believe him to be who he says he is, and able to do what he says he can. But, in the end it is a concrete decision not merely the adoption of an idea.

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I'd like to know something.

I can't simply believe thigns like that. In the few years Ive been looking into faith/spirituality/religion I have never found it within my bounds to simply take on a religion. Because of this, how could God send me to hell? Im just curious, because lets say soemone tried to believe in christianity [not to say I have] but they just never could actually believe, how could god punish them if they tried but it just didn't work for them? Thats punishing someone for somehting out of their control, which is bullshit.

Ive heard similar stories of people who "tried but couldnt". Often the example given in the way Jesus related to people called for action first i.e the rich young ruler who asked "What must I do to inherent eternal life?"

For this bloke the response was "FIRST, sell all your possesions, THEN come follow me". Often there are things in our way, whether they be intellectual problems or just feeling unable to get through.

Again, nothing is entirely "out of our control". Whilst many things are, everything we do comes down to a choice, regardless of what factors have brought us to the point.

So you could spend your life trying to believe in Christianity, and fail to ever develope a belief in it all for whatever reason, and then you burn in hell for being a dirty non-believer. I love it.

bishop thank you for answering my question i personally had not found it and had seen things like IT IS HARDER FOR A RICH MAN TO GET INTO HEAVEN THAN FOR A RICH MAN TO GET TO HEAVEN and i dont think it is that hard to just believe. Also what is the point of doing any good at all if god will forgive you anyway

Its not that hard to just believe? Sure, maybe if you're horribly weak minded and take in whatever is thrown at you.

Not to say this describes christians, the point is you can't expect everybody to simply hear about God and Jesus and say 'Oh, okay, yep. Ill believe that!'. Some people research religion and spirituality and will spend years looking into many aspects of it, and may never reach a concrete conclusion in their lives.

Its not as simple as just dropping everything and saying 'fuck this, Im just gonna believe in Christianity. *grunt* *push* *cringe* *POP!* There we go.....'

I never said it was, in fact i agree with you. I don't expect people to just hear and go "yeah, sure, why not?". But there are those who do, and those who don't.

Most of the Christians I know didn't just all of a sudden become christians, it was something that happened over a period of time- although their usually is a point where people decide that it's true or that theyr'e going to follow or whatever.

In fact, its more often the people who struggle with "their faith" that end up going the distance- rather than those who make a spur of the moment, emotive decision.

Im still curious as to what the christian God would do to someone who studied it their entire life, and felt it was probably closest thing to the truth but never actually believed in it or accepted Jesus as their saviour.

AR-180, that's sort of what the latter half of my post is about. Good works are a sign of strong faith. Without good works it's likely your faith isn't as strong as it could/should be. But that's a symptom of the problem, not the problem itself. If you want, tomorrow i'll back that up with verses, but tonight I've got a few more hours of assembly programming to do and my brain is operating as in insane level.

As for the "trying to believe" thing. I'm not sure what to tell you. As far as i can tell, if you're trying to believe but can't, it's because you doubt, which is the opposite of faith. Faith is the most important part of Christianity, well that and love.

I still find it interesting. Now, Im not 'trying to believe' in Christianity or anything, its more or less hypothetical, but still, its interesting how if soemone studies christianity, does what they think is right to try and believe in it, tries to have faith, and so on but never do truly believe it, they get to burn for all of eternity.

The Xian God is great. 'Do exactly what I want how I want it or suffer eternal pain!'

i am not trying to believe i am trying to figure out why so many others believe something that has no fact behind it and puting it in front of science and trying to stop it by calling it "playing god" i for one dont think we should go back to the dark ages

as for love if god is so loving why didnt he make the world perfect why do christians fight all the time with themselves and other religions why