fellow atheists, let's pretend there is a heaven and a hell. Say we go to hell; what do you think it will be like?

quote:Originally posted by cunfoozedmunkee:

fellow atheists, let's pretend there is a heaven and a hell. Say we go to hell; what do you think it will be like?

Hell will be a place where ppl 'live' in their own versions of hell, until they come to the realization that the hell they're in is one that they created.

(Because I don't think that everyone has the same 'Idea' of suffering, what bothers one, could be nothing to another person.)

When 'reality' sets in they reflect on the things they've done, and what has been done to them. If they achieve all of that, they would then have to(in their 'hearts') forgive God. Because He, what ever way you look at it, brought us into the circumstances of life.

And everything that comes with it: the love, the hate, the self dilemmas, pain, the questioning Him and everything around us, suffering death, ect. After we forgive Him for that we make it into heaven.

So I forgive God for putting me in this shitty world he created? Come again?

quote:Originally posted by cunfoozedmunkee:

So I forgive God for putting me in this shitty world he created? Come again?

Yes of course, when you think about it, it makes since. Satan in Hebrew, means The Accuser, well in the begining no one blamed God or very few did, do to fear of Him. But now He has centuries worth of ppl who despise Him.

Therefore He has a billions upon billions of Satans-ppl who Accuse Him.

Well if He is the Intelligent being everyone makes Him out to be, then He'd realize that everything that happens to us is His fault. And if He is the loving being everyone makes Him out to be He'd have to have a conscience.

If He does then He realizes that everything is His fault. And He'd feel compassion for us. But in order to come into his home, you'd have to come to some understanding of why He did what He did, and forgive Him. Like you said He( if He's real) put us in this Shitty world.

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then why doesn't he just "fix" it lol

i think everyone would prefer that

Good question but if he's real and He is intelligent, then He definately put us here for a reason. And maybe He doesn't want to mess up that plan.

then why doesn't he just tell us his plan? does he expect us to obey him blindly?

quote:Originally posted by cunfoozedmunkee:

then why doesn't he just tell us his plan? does he expect us to obey him blindly?

Well yes I think He does. He figures, well I created them so they should praise me, as do the angels. But angels weren't made the same way we were. I think somewhere down the line he realized that. And realized that He couldn't be so self-righteous to such a creature. A creature with a conscience that could rival His own.

I think His plan is to find or make other beings like Himself.I believe He tried this when He made the angels. But then He soon realized His mistake. They were only of spiritual matter, not of both matters like Himself. So He created the physical world, and put many creatures here. One of them the dinosaurs, but they didn’t resemble Him and were neither smart nor spiritual. So He tried again, and again, til He came up with us.

We probably started out as an ape-like creature, but time did us well til we became almost like we are today. This intrigued the angels (as you would find out in the book of Enoch, the missing part of the bible.) and they came to us, which sorta messed up His plan. They taught us stuff He didn’t want us to know just yet.

I believe that’s why He flung Satan into hell. Well as time progressed we became smarter and smarter, and more spiritually powerful. And no longer when people died did they become non-existant, we became spirits but not the same kind as angels. As time goes on we become more and more like Him. And I think He doesn’t interfere because He thinks He’ll mess up His plan. (Ya know its kind like making card pyramids, He’s afraid to make one wrong move.) But that’s just what I believe.



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well, in that case "God" is very lame. he could just tell us his "plans". or does he not want us to know them and why? btw, it seems u dont think god is omnipotent

Very non omipoten, and so did Satan. But He loves Satan that's why He doesn't destroy Him. I don't believe Satan is evil. That makes no sense. But Satan accused and questioned the hell out of God and it agrivated Him.

I think maybe Satan was the first being He made to think for itself. Because none of the other angels questioned Him, but some did follow after Satan. Meaning doing what He did.

I don't think He's omniscient either.(Nor did Satan-for the record I'm not Satanist, nor do I worship God.

Then the devil who had betrayed them will again be thrown into the Lake of Fire burning with sulpher where the Creature and False Prophet are, and they will be tormented day and night forever and ever. Revelations 20:10

The forever crap is a bit hard to take.

everything that makes up the universe is heaven. hell was quite aptly left for humans to invent.

therefore hell is whatever your own illusion of it is.

personally.... hell for me is the inland revenue.

quote:Originally posted by onion jack 67:

everything that makes up the universe is heaven. hell was quite aptly left for humans to invent.

therefore hell is whatever your own illusion of it is.

personally.... hell for me is the inland revenue.

See it's basically the same thing I said. Everyone will be in a hell that they created(It'll just take them figuring that out to make it into heaven, and the forgiving thing.). Because not everyone has the same idea of suffering.

It's fucked up how nobody's posting, are we the only non-Christian-God-believers.

Sorry, mostly just been lurking lately with the occasional post. I'd throw in my two cents, but I have to shit, so I'll post later.