Well is it?

i dunno, is it?

If it is, I'm worse than Hitler.

It does not exactly say masturbation is a sin (and don't give me that spilling of the seed bullshit, that was talking about coitus inturuptus). It does however, say having sexual fantasies about women is a sin, which is part of the act of masturbation.

"But I tell you that anyone who looks at a woman lustfully has already committed adultery with her in his heart. If your right eye causes you to sin, gouge it out and throw it away. It is better for you to lose one part of your body than for your whole body to be thrown into hell."

Matt 5:28-29

Most preachers will tell you yes, but they lack the scripture to back it up.

Under which religion? Under Islam it's extremely debatable. Under Christianity, even looking at a woman lustfully throws your ass in Hell.

quote:Originally posted by Metalligod:

Well is it?

you're the one who has read the bible through several times; you tell me what you think. if someone disagrees, you'll just start making ad hominem attacks, anyway.

I think it's a load of bullshit. For the very fact that men have lustfull dreams while they sleep, and many of these lead to ejeculation. So how could it be a sin. Also semen is expelled while urinating.

Yes Jimmy it is. Because you touch yourself at night god hates people.

The best part is you ask a buncha strangers off the internet on what YOU should believe.

-the truth shall set you free

-Criscocy

In Chillinism, St. Chill says that if you enjoy masturbation than it is okay.

Baldo

Well it's not a sin in agnositicism

only if you make it one

i guess it sort of is.. think about it..

A girl has problems, instead of her loving community to surround and help her to comfort, she goes and undress's and people jack off to pictures of her, she gets paid, the process continues. If no one has the need to stare at her in the first place, then she wouldn't turn to pornography i suppose, but this is another argument altogether.



Masterbating without stimulation, i dont see anything wrong with that, its all just thoughts, and you shouldn't be serious about doing any of the things you are actually thinking about while you jack off. Example, one of your friends comes to school with a short kilt on, you see, you pop one, you go home and jack off to her sucking you off. As long as you dont go to school tommorow and rape her in the washroom, i think your pretty safe. But then again, wtf are her parents thinking, letting their daughter leave in a short kilt. You know what. this is debatable =D

quote:Originally posted by BD w/ Kung-Fu Grip:

It does not exactly say masturbation is a sin (and don't give me that spilling of the seed bullshit, that was talking about coitus inturuptus). It does however, say having sexual fantasies about women is a sin, which is part of the act of masturbation.

"But I tell you that anyone who looks at a woman lustfully has already committed adultery with her in his heart. If your right eye causes you to sin, gouge it out and throw it away. It is better for you to lose one part of your body than for your whole body to be thrown into hell."

Matt 5:28-29

Most preachers will tell you yes, but they lack the scripture to back it up.



Yeah I remember reading that, but that's about lusting, not everyone lusts that way. So if gay guys, or straight women lust then it's not a sin, but if hetero men do it then it's a sin. That's stupid!

This is more proof that Jesus was gay. I remember him saying that thing about lust in Matthew, but straight men are chemically programmed to lust for women, that's how they get their pipes hard. But I guess maybe Jesus didn't have this problem.

quote:Originally posted by Nemisis:

I think it's a load of bullshit. For the very fact that men have lustfull dreams while they sleep, and many of these lead to ejeculation. So how could it be a sin. Also semen is expelled while urinating.

Yeah that's my point. I mean our balls fill up with semen, and even when they're full we still make more, so our bodies make us expell it in whatever way it can(even making us lust and masturbate.)

quote:Originally posted by ashesofzen:

you're the one who has read the bible through several times; you tell me what you think. if someone disagrees, you'll just start making ad hominem attacks, anyway.

Your one dull, stupid, jackass!

Just because someone reads the bible does not mean that they've interpreted every verse correctly.

Why don't you starting thinking before you post, I think you have a brain. So, try very, very hard... no that's not enough try harder... Now think before you post something else stupid. http://www.totse.com/bbs/redface.gif (http://www.totse.com/bbs/redface.gif) I'm so embarrassed for you.

quote:Originally posted by Criscocy:

The best part is you ask a buncha strangers off the internet on what YOU should believe.

-the truth shall set you free

-Criscocy



What in the bloody hell are you talking about???

If your referring that to me, plz tell me what part of any post, did I say I'm asking ppl to tell me something to believe it. I'm trying to see if in the bible does it say that masturbation is a sin. What does that have to do with my belief. I ask things just to KNOW, them nothing more.

BTW: I say what in the bloody hell a lot, so plz don't take offense to it.

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quote:Originally posted by Metalligod:

MARF! MARF! MARF! MARF! MARF!

thanks for so beautifully proving my point.

quote:Originally posted by ashesofzen:

thanks for so beautifully proving my point.



Why do you post?

You should give some THOUGHT, if your capable, to...hmmm...SUICIDE!

No one loves you, nor does anyone need you, trust that you'll be better off dead.

Because you lack the ability to grow-up.

And as I think of you I think of little

Claudia from a story called Interview with the Vampire.

But ya see with her, the case was diff. She lacked the ability to grow-up physically. Whereas you, you can't grow-up in the mind. I'm sure your parents if they didn't already abandon you, don't need nor want you. Your just the result of a condom malfunction nothing more.

Just die.

o?

how about you, have you done anything to be remembered in 1000 years? 400? 100? 20?

i can't believe you.

you want intelligent debate? stop hiding behind such petty irrational ideas and start talkin' logic. i might even trouble with debating you then. as long as all i'm going to hear is "omgomg your so fuckcin GAY!!!11" every time i make a valid point, it's not worth it for me.

edit: we're talking "is masturbation a sin?"

first question: what are we talking about, by sin? any specific ideology? or must we come to an agreement on the definition of "sin?"

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quote:Originally posted by ashesofzen:

o?

how about you, have you done anything to be remembered in 1000 years? 400? 100? 20?

i can't believe you.

you want intelligent debate? stop hiding behind such petty irrational ideas and start talkin' logic. i might even trouble with debating you then. as long as all i'm going to hear is "omgomg your so fuckcin GAY!!!11" every time i make a valid point, it's not worth it for me.

edit: we're talking "is masturbation a sin?"

first question: what are we talking about, by sin? any specific ideology? or must we come to an agreement on the definition of "sin?"

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edit 2: why do i post? because i know i can push your buttons (i know you'll deny it, you don't need to bother).

quote:Originally posted by ashesofzen:

edit 2: why do i post? because i know i can push your buttons (i know you'll deny it, you don't need to bother).

plz show me one valid intelligent post that you've made in response to me and I'll go Cobain myself plz do that. And I'll give you what you want, just one valid point.

Oh and by sin I mean something that condemns you to hell, I thought that's what a sin was.

Something religiously reprehensible.

Oh and plz do show me one irrational idea that I've posted, one not thought out with logic plz show me one.

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quote:Originally posted by Metalligod:

plz show me one valid intelligent post that you've made in response to me and I'll go Cobain myself plz do that. And I'll give you what you want, just one valid point.

see above. about two posts ago, if you're talking about valid.

quote:Oh and by sin I mean something that condemns you to hell, I thought that's what a sin was.

then, we're back to square one. guess what! different denominations have, albeit slight in some cases, different definitions of sin. additionally, confession (or penance, as you'll undoubtedly shout at me for using the common term again) is meant to absolve you of your sins; so really, as long as you repent, nothing will end you up in hell. of course, this again may not necessarily be the case, i'm sure there is some denomination out there that has an unpardonable sin.

quote:Something religiously reprehensible.

subjective.

quote:Oh and plz do show me one irrational idea that I've posted, one not thought out with logic plz show me one.

quote:From a previous post by Metalligod:

Omniscient means all knowing-in a nut shell.

My thing is I don't think he is, simply because in Job, He has to ask Satan where he's been. That alone is proof that he's not omniscient. For further evidence, He also then lets Satan do whatever to Job. Simply because He did'nt know what would happen.

let's try a little thought-experiment:

we're standing beside each other, and i've got a sack of red marbles. now, i tell you to take a marble out of the sack.

you oblige me.

i ask you, "what color is the marble in your hand?"

now, given that i already knew the color of the marble before you took it, does my asking you about it's color mean that i do not know what its color is?

quote:From a previous post by Metalligod:

Ok listen closely you stupid peice of shit. I said they(angels) were supirior to humans in every way(meaning physically and intellectually way) and any average dumbass could have concluded that if they would have finished reading the message.(your the acception to that I guess). Of course they're smarter how can they not be they're the Watchers.

Now logically ppl should be able to conclude that a creature of that magnetude would know they're limits and now that they couldn't beat God.

there is a man who has control of a large, secret police force.

a man that is smarter than either one of us decides that he will attempt to overthrow the leader of these police and fails.

quote:From a previous post by Metalligod:

And if God wanted us to FUCK UP he wouldn't have made so many stupid fucken conditions to get into heaven.(Or so the Bible says)

so if god wanted us to fuck up, he would have had less rules? that doesn't sound very logical, does it?

good enough, or shall i continue?

quote:see above. about two posts ago, if you're talking about valid.

If you think that post is intelligent you need to rethink and re-elaborate on what intelligence is.

quote:then, we're back to square one. guess what! different denominations have, albeit slight in some cases, different definitions of sin. additionally, confession (or penance, as you'll undoubtedly shout at me for using the common term again) is meant to absolve you of your sins; so really, as long as you repent, nothing will end you up in hell. of course, this again may not necessarily be the case, i'm sure there is some denomination out there that has an unpardonable sin.

It's funny how you left out the part of me saying religiously reprehensible in your second quote. I like how you try to incriminate ppl by "remixing" their posts.

quote:let's try a little thought-experiment:

we're standing beside each other, and i've got a sack of red marbles. now, i tell you to take a marble out of the sack.

you oblige me.

i ask you, "what color is the marble in your hand?"

now, given that i already knew the color of the marble before you took it, does my asking you about it's color mean that i do not know what its color is?

It is an insult to human intelligence when you try to use that lame example to debate such a huge and massively more complex situation.

Now there is a difference from your poorly thoughtout example, than being omniscient.

It's a difference in someone having power to do something than in someone just knowing obvious things. Now if I had the power to know everything, and ask you where you've been after you've come home. And I ask because I simply don't know. Then somethings wrong, cause I'm supposed to know everything.

Now if I ask little Tommy to go into the living room and when he got there asked him where he was. that's a stupid obvious and different thing. It's sad that you'd dare to care the two.



quote:there is a man who has control of a large, secret police force.

a man that is smarter than either one of us decides that he will attempt to overthrow the leader of these police and fails.

That's even stupider than your last analogy.

By you own admittance, both men are just that, MEN. However, in the situation with God Satan was nor man or a god. And this He knew. Now men came and have overcome men. Whereas Angel can't overcome a god. Especially when he knows for a fact that this being,God, created him. Now tell me if you see a difference in the two. Was the smart man made by the owners hands? Was the Owner a being he thought to be all powerful, and omniscient?

Plz try and think before you post. You call theis gobbleygook logic, Ha! It's shamefully laughable. Now plz do tell what part of the post you so arrogantly told me to "see"? Not to be insulting but you need to come better than that, all that you put forth was dumb, and highly illogical.

Your posts were downright embarrassing! http://www.totse.com/bbs/wink.gif (http://www.totse.com/bbs/wink.gif)

quote:Originally posted by Metalligod:

If you think that post is intelligent you need to rethink and re-elaborate on what intelligence is.

of course...it doesn't show that "i am an intellect;" there are no valid questions being asked in that post at all, are there?

quote:It's funny how you left out the part of me saying religiously reprehensible in your second quote. I like how you try to incriminate ppl by "remixing" their posts.

nope, what's funny is how you managed to not see that i addressed that comment separately a quarter-inch or so below the part wherein you defined sin.

quote:It is an insult to human intelligence when you try to use that lame example to debate such a huge and massively more complex situation.

ah. yet, you're ramblings are the highest example of the refined use of logic this world has seen?

quote:Now there is a difference from your poorly thoughtout example, than being omniscient.

thanks for cluing me on that, i don't know what i'd do without you.

quote:It's a difference in someone having power to do something than in someone just knowing obvious things.

obvious: "easily discovered, seen, or understood" (merriam-webster.com)

i won't try to claim that "the power to do something" is the same as "just knowing obvious things," but what the hell are you trying to say? that statement has no validity, whatsoever.

quote:Now if I had the power to know everything, and ask you where you've been after you've come home.

"the power to know everything?" is god a superhero, or something? anyway:

quote:And I ask because I simply don't know. Then somethings wrong, cause I'm supposed to know everything.

of course something is wrong; you're either a liar or a fool! either you lied about being omniscient, or you thought you were when you weren't.

however, are you not "allowing" god to ask a question that he already knows an answer to?

whether or not my analogy is particularily valid, you really didn't address it at all.

quote:Now if I ask little Tommy to go into the living room and when he got there asked him where he was. that's a stupid obvious and different thing. It's sad that you'd dare to care the two.

care? do you mean compare? well, the point is, obvious or not, you can still ask the question.

now, if tommy went into the living room and started watching television--he's grounded from watching television, mind you--and you shout at him "are you in the living room?" with the implication that you know where he is, and by extension, what he is doing, does the question not serve a purpose?



quote:That's even stupider than your last analogy.

i'll admit it is weaker, however, you're about to say that, since we're talking about gods, angels, and demons, we cannot know the minds thereof.

by this line of thought, any speculation that either of us make is a waste of time. you invalidate your own ideas, as god is "unknowable."

also, i seem to remember you saying that the following analogy held:

1) man is in the image of god

2) man is imperfect

3) therefore, god cannot be perfect.

if you're going to spout randomness to rebut me, at least try to be self-consistent.

quote:By you own admittance, both men are just that, MEN. However, in the situation with God Satan was nor man or a god. And this He knew.

are you speculating, or can you give me facts that prove this?

quote:Now men came and have overcome men. Whereas Angel can't overcome a god. Especially when he knows for a fact that this being,God, created him. Now tell me if you see a difference in the two. Was the smart man made by the owners hands? Was the Owner a being he thought to be all powerful, and omniscient?

you must learn to stop missing the forest for all the trees.

quote:Plz try and think before you post. You call theis gobbleygook logic, Ha! It's shamefully laughable. Now plz do tell what part of the post you so arrogantly told me to "see"? Not to be insulting but you need to come better than that, all that you put forth was dumb, and highly illogical.

Your posts were downright embarrassing! http://www.totse.com/bbs/wink.gif (http://www.totse.com/bbs/wink.gif)[/B]

keep on truckin'.

i'll give you one more chance to redeem yourself before i write you off as incapable of growing up to be the intellectual you so dearly want to be.

edit: contextual misuse of "right"

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quote:Originally posted by ashesofzen:

keep on truckin'.

i'll give you one more chance to redeem yourself before i write you off as incapable of growing up to be the intellectual you so dearly want to be.

edit: contextual misuse of "right"

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Actually what you failed to notice is that I was not finished number one, and two I did notice the that you seperated that part from the quote, and I actually believe I said that.

I believe my exact words were:It's funny how you left out the part of me saying religiously reprehensible in your second quote.

Which you did. And I also believe I went on to say:I like how you try to incriminate ppl by "remixing" their posts.



Now how you failed to read that part is beyond me. But then again you always conveniently overlook stuff.

Now to finish what I was saying last night.

I am now going atack the worst thing of them all that you had the arrogance to post.

quote:so if god wanted us to fuck up, he would have had less rules? that doesn't sound very logical, does it?

good enough, or shall i continue?



I'm going to say somethings and then you let you figure out if what you said was in anyway illogical and dumb.

Ok if God wanted us to fuck up, yes He would have made less rules. Reasons why(Every reason I state is made occurding to the intellectual prowless of God):<UL TYPE=SQUARE> <LI>If God is as smart as He's made out to be, He'd understand that He made a creature with imperfections.

<LI>A creature He made specifically to make mistakes. So He would then understand that we would not be able to abide by all the rules set in the bible.

<LI>He made us with chemicals in our bodies that made us think sexual thoughts(sexual stimulation) so that we could then breed.

<LI>A being of His magnetude would then realize that we'd have to think sexual thoughts, thus not making it a sin.

<LI>He made us the way we are, capable of mistakes, mistakes that are beyond our control.

<LI>He would then realize that since He made us like this, mistakes would be his fault, because He made us so that we make them.</UL>

Now what I just did was dummy talk, I do that for ppl who can't grasp the simple palpable idea of things. I slow down everything and brake everything up into fragments so that the less mentally capable could understand it.

Now for you to come on here and even begin to talk about LOGIC, when you don't have a clue how to use it is morally reprehensible. You follow me around this website to try and pick out typing errors and dare to talk about logic.

You have the gaul to come on here and say that telling someone to pick up a marble then asking them what color it is, is the same as God the all knowing being to ask Satan where He's been is inanely reprehensible! Your very being is reprehensible, you are a sin!

You are disgustingly retarded. It's sad that you can't see the difference in being omniscient, and being a master of the obvious.

If anyone thinks that is the same as omniscient plz tell me how so. I would bloody love for you to tell me what was illogical about that list. Compare it to his stupid analogies. He dares to compare two men fighting eachother to a being with infinate power vs. an angel. And yet and still dares to speak LOGIC. It's saddening. It's MADDENING.

Normally I don't grill ppl who post unless their dumb and stupid like you. Those who tell me I'm wrong when what I post is just an idea.

And it's also sad how you make billions of typing errors and still claim that others are less intelligent because of their typing errors. Well I now type you into the catagory with exesept. Hypocritical......etc.......I mean there's no end to the 'true' faul things you could be called.

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Omniscient-1 : having infinite awareness, understanding, and insight

2 : possessed of universal or complete knowledge

Does God have to be a superhero? How fucking stupid is this kid. I realize now that your about 9 or 10, or just seriouly stupid so I'm gonna leave you alone. It's obvious that you have no knowledge to offer.

And as for the infinately assinine and childish question. the definition speaks for itself.

I needn't say anymore on this.

quote:Originally posted by Metalligod:

(two post full of this)

MARF! MARF! MARF! MARF! MARF! MARF!

say whatever you want, you've still failed to rebut me.

edit: billions, billions of typos? funny that you say so...yet, you fail to actually point out any of them. i haven't pointed any of yours; i was nice enough to drop the issue of your inability to use the written form of the langauge.

i can back up my claim that you are an idiot who doesn't know what he's saying--you can just give me a long list of words that aren't capitalized.

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Yah the dudes righty metalligod you're an idiot who uses big words to try and sound smart. You think that since God made us imperfect its his fault when we mess up. Man, take some fucking responsibility for your actions. If I kill some one its not Gods fault for not making me perfect its my fault for being a jackass and killing someone.

quote:Originally posted by Lucky:

Yah the dudes righty metalligod you're an idiot who uses big words to try and sound smart. You think that since God made us imperfect its his fault when we mess up. Man, take some fucking responsibility for your actions. If I kill some one its not Gods fault for not making me perfect its my fault for being a jackass and killing someone.



Bitch know what your talking about before you jump into a conversation.

I didn't mean it in that sense. I would never attack God personally for what happens here on Earth. But in theory it is He who put us here, and He whom gave us the ability to do such things, therefore it would be His fault. If not for Him making us it could never happen. You dumb, shit-eating cunt!!

It's the same as a company making a device and the thing malfunctions, and it kills someone. The manufacturer would be the responsible one. Because he/she made the product, but they wouldn't go to jail because that's not the intent of the product.

But the product wasn't made right, and was given the ability to work in a manner that it could cause death. If this was to happen you would understand that it wasn't the makers intent, but it is the makers fault.

Now if that doesn't make since to you, you need not get into a conversation that doesn't involve you. And has issues that your ignorant ass can't elaborate on.

Eat shit and die slow!!!!!

I use big words cause they fit, I use them correctly, and I use them cause those are the words that pop into my head. Now they don't seem big to me. But if the words I use seem big to you. That should tell you that your too dumb to even try your bitching with me. Have a nice day.

And stay in school, matter of fact, when school is out, go look at a school. Dumb trailer-trash whore.

quote:actually, young adult male.

if you can't take the heat, don't get in the fire.

you rambled on about how...

Evidence, you use the wrong letter casing constatly, and the list goes on...

Don't really want to get into specifics of other faults. But I want to ask you...

quote:"the devil can quote scripture..."

I forgot to ask, did you mean me?

quote:you have an intellect

I for got to mention last week:

Why do you keep up with this intellect stuff what is it supposed to mean. You try and correct me and make yourself look stupid dude I can't understand why you constantly bother me but I just can't stop chuckling and grining when I see your post.

What is it exactly that you can't stand?

As far as I was taught an intellect was one thought to be smart. Maybe by others, themselves, whatever. But I picked that up from an Eryka Badu song, about 5-6 years ago.

Therefore, I am, as I said, an intellect.

Mr.YouHaveAnIntellect.

Through the hoops again, eh? You don't give up. However, it's generally best, in a conversation, to refer back to the most recent post, not drudge things from far back (unless it serves to illustrate a point).

Metalligod:

Evidence, you use the wrong letter casing constatly, and the list goes on...

Don't really want to get into specifics of other faults. But I want to ask you...

ashesofzen:

edit: billions, billions of typos? funny that you say so...yet, you fail to actually point out any of them. i haven't pointed any of yours; i was nice enough to drop the issue of your inability to use the written form of the langauge.

i can back up my claim that you are an idiot who doesn't know what he's saying--you can just give me a long list of words that aren't capitalized.

Now, here's where we're different...Yes, you are correct--I don't generally capitalize words. However, this is not due to my lack of knowledge; actually, I decided about...well, five years ago, that capitalization was an unnecessary aspect of language unless one has a damn good reason for it. Silly, I know. But, I was a silly young kid back then, and e. e. cummings had tempted me to the "dark side." I've just not gotten back into the habit because

-and here comes the point-

it doesn't affect, in my opinion, anyone's ability to understand my post.

On the other hand, your attempts to utilize words that you don't really know and cannot even spell degrade the quality of your posts.

Metalligod:

forgot to ask, did you mean me?

Not specifically, but it does apply to you.

So, I suppose i shall say "Yes."

...Why do you keep up with this intellect stuff what is it supposed to mean... ...But I picked that up from an Eryka Badu song, about 5-6 years ago.

I understand! Whatever Erykah Badu says is law, then? I'm sorry, but just because she said so does not make it so.

Therefore, I am, as I said, an intellect.

Mr.YouHaveAnIntellect.

I suppose, then, that you are. It is your choice, after all, to use the word in such an improper, stupid way.

I'm still waiting for you to get back on subject.

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Well hows about this...

Jesus is the son of god

Mary is the mother of god

therefor god is a motherfucker.

If he is getting up to that gind of stuff, then the old ten finger boogy can't be that bad!

quote:Originally posted by cunfoozedmunkee:

i dunno, is it?

quote:Originally posted by 666fighter:

Well hows about this...

Jesus is the son of god

Mary is the mother of god

therefor god is a motherfucker.

If he is getting up to that gind of stuff, then the old ten finger boogy can't be that bad!

Damn that's a great way of looking at things. That's so Metalligood.

But I have to reply to you now Ashes.

quote:However, this is not due to my lack of knowledge;

I've never once said that you were dumb or unintelligent for typos. You were the one with that arguement. Now this is solid proof that your dumb, and most often don't know what your talking about.

For example:Here you are, more proof, intellect-2 : a person with great intellectual powers.

This is more proof that you don't know what your talking about. And you think you have all the answers. I was correct in saying that I am an intellect.

quote:I suppose, then, that you are. It is your choice, after all, to use the word in such an improper, stupid way.

This is more proof of your stupidity, I mean you are the one who asked for evidence. So there you have it. Your dumb. I would love for you to explain how someone saying, "I am an intellect" is improper use.

And then you are so silly, I mean, you said I use words wrong and they're words that I don't know the meaning to. Yet you offer no PROOF that I do this. Yet and still you bitch to me to back up what I say, like I'm lying about. I have more evidence that you are dumb, stupid, ya know all that stuff. I could bombard you with evidence for centuries.

But all the evidence lies in you. You know the truth about what I'm saying, cause what I'm saying is the truth. You just have a horrible complex, one that makes you fear, and hate being wrong.

Dude anyone could see your prob from a mile away. I know your ilk. Ya think you know everything, which damages your ability to learn.

Ya wanna talk about off the subject(plz don't ask for proof, you know it's the truth) everytime I post you bitch and bitch and bitch. And all of your, no ok, most of your responses have ab-so-tootin-lutely nothing to do with the subject I post about.

For instance, NOW. And back in Vago's post. I never should have let you get me off track.

Metalligod:

Oh and by sin I mean something that condemns you to hell, I thought that's what a sin was.

ashesofzen:

then, we're back to square one. guess what! different denominations have, albeit slight in some cases, different definitions of sin. additionally, confession (or penance, as you'll undoubtedly shout at me for using the common term again) is meant to absolve you of your sins; so really, as long as you repent, nothing will end you up in hell. of course, this again may not necessarily be the case, i'm sure there is some denomination out there that has an unpardonable sin.

Metalligod:

Something religiously reprehensible.

ashesofzen:

subjective.

Sure you talk about him not using proof when you yourself haven't offered any either. So far as I can see, ashesofzen's posts make more sense than your aggressive pre-pubescent attacks on his logic. You write as if you take scripture as rock solid undisputable fact. And stop with the damn bold type! It hurts trying to read your lame posts already as it is. Now I command you flame me!

Oh, I almost forgot. I don't think masturbation was considered a sin by the ancient Isrealites. I do believe that it was introduced as a sin by Catholic Church in the middle ages. http://www.totse.com/bbs/biggrin.gif (http://www.totse.com/bbs/biggrin.gif)

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quote:Originally posted by dizztrezzed:

Sure you talk about him not using proof when you yourself haven't offered any either. So far as I can see, ashesofzen's posts make more sense than your aggressive pre-pubescent attacks on his logic. You write as if you take scripture as rock solid undisputable fact. And stop with the damn bold type! It hurts trying to read your lame posts already as it is. Now I command you flame me!

Oh, I almost forgot. I don't think masturbation was considered a sin by the ancient Isrealites. I do believe that it was introduced as a sin by Catholic Church in the middle ages. http://www.totse.com/bbs/biggrin.gif (http://www.totse.com/bbs/biggrin.gif)

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I hate dumb fucking hoes like you. You don't have a damned clue what your talking about. I've never taken scripture as rule. I don't believe in the christian god. So you'd be better off dead! You come in here and want to start a fucking flame war, how damned childish are you?

Now I'm telling you, to offer proof, offer proof of what your bitching about. Then we can let the flames rise, and you can keep burnin, clymidia contaminated bitch!

Metalligod (previous post):

Ya wanna talk about off the subject(plz don't ask for proof, you know it's the truth) everytime I post you bitch and bitch and bitch. And all of your, no ok, most of your responses have ab-so-tootin-lutely nothing to do with the subject I post about.

I find it interesting that after I just attempt to get the discussion on topic again, you (rather than replying) choose to flame someone else instead.

quote:Originally posted by Charles Thunder:

If it is, I'm worse than Hitler.

HAHA! good one! me too, except i'd be like jim crow.

quote:Originally posted by BD w/ Kung-Fu Grip:

It does not exactly say masturbation is a sin (and don't give me that spilling of the seed bullshit, that was talking about coitus inturuptus). It does however, say having sexual fantasies about women is a sin, which is part of the act of masturbation.

"But I tell you that anyone who looks at a woman lustfully has already committed adultery with her in his heart. If your right eye causes you to sin, gouge it out and throw it away. It is better for you to lose one part of your body than for your whole body to be thrown into hell."

Matt 5:28-29

Most preachers will tell you yes, but they lack the scripture to back it up.

I'm doomed. But you see, our god is a forgiving god isn't he?

quote:Originally posted by Metalligod:

Well is it?

Sorry for what I am about to say, God:

Ok, i'm Catholic (like many irishmen) and my religion states that if I have sex I rot in Hell. WTF? If God wants us never to have sex, we can't procreate. let his creation go down the drain if he forbids us to procreate.

quote:Originally posted by diehard993:

Sorry for what I am about to say, God:

Ok, i'm Catholic (like many irishmen) and my religion states that if I have sex I rot in Hell. WTF? If God wants us never to have sex, we can't procreate. let his creation go down the drain if he forbids us to procreate.

Mate there's a lot of irish in me too, however when you mentiopn the catholic church you are talking of an organisation whose history is dark indeed. The Pope admits to 100million executions/murders ordered by the Roman Catholics thru the dark ages. could one trust anything an organisation like that says, or must it be highly suspect?

Re the topic, here's some hearsay: Reading a recent news report, i was impressed by medical research that identifies a much lower incidence of prostrate cancer in those males who masturbate, compared to those who don't! Stay healthy http://www.totse.com/bbs/cool.gif (http://www.totse.com/bbs/cool.gif)

LoveCompassionEquanimity http://www.totse.com/bbs/smile.gif (http://www.totse.com/bbs/smile.gif)

who cares if it says its bad in some fiction book. do what u want, if there was a god he gave us free will for a reason, to use it, not to be mindless drones to his every whim.

yes it is, but who cres?!

quote:Originally posted by diehard993:

Sorry for what I am about to say, God:

Ok, i'm Catholic (like many irishmen) and my religion states that if I have sex I rot in Hell. WTF? If God wants us never to have sex, we can't procreate. let his creation go down the drain if he forbids us to procreate.



Actually you can have sex but not until you are married then God says to enjoy it and as soon as I find the chapter and verse I will post it for you.But, in the Catholic Faith masturbation at anytime is a sin.

is shitting a sin?

it doesnt hurt anyone, god gave you a cock, if youre not raping people, use it

it feels good, why owuld god not want you to feel good? his love is pure love, im pretty sure he wouldnt give a fuck about moving the skin on your penis until you orgasm. thats like saying its a sin to wash your hair, we just think its wrong because its been beatin into our heads that sex is bad. its just a natural thing.

quote:Originally posted by seraph~aral:

is shitting a sin?

it doesnt hurt anyone, god gave you a cock, if youre not raping people, use it

it feels good, why owuld god not want you to feel good? his love is pure love, im pretty sure he wouldnt give a fuck about moving the skin on your penis until you orgasm. thats like saying its a sin to wash your hair, we just think its wrong because its been beatin into our heads that sex is bad. its just a natural thing.

I agree with you, however, I need to address a problem that people have with me.

When I ask a question I just want to know the answer. Have you guys ever heard the term "Knowledge is Power"? Well I believe in this, and I believe "He whom knows the Why, has the power.

I ask things to know the why of things. I'm not asking for answers, to find worship. I'm not asking because I need a god to follow. I ask because I simply have a need to know things that help me reason and keep my sanity.

So from now on if I make a post that I ask questions in, I simply just want to know something. Every time I post a question, do not infer that I don't know the answer already. Sometimes I use this tactic when I have a debate with someone. I use their answers against them. Or to help build my arguement, for or against the topic in question.

It's that simple, I have a need to know.

BTW:Thanx everyone who has posted

quote:Originally posted by ashesofzen:

Metalligod (previous post):

Ya wanna talk about off the subject(plz don't ask for proof, you know it's the truth) everytime I post you bitch and bitch and bitch. And all of your, no ok, most of your responses have ab-so-tootin-lutely nothing to do with the subject I post about.

I find it interesting that after I just attempt to get the discussion on topic again, you (rather than replying) choose to flame someone else instead.



See another example of your stupidity.

I can flame and reply to you simultaneously. It's been done b4.

http://www.totse.com/bbs/redface.gif (http://www.totse.com/bbs/redface.gif) I know your smart, so DO MORE THINKING. I've told you this time and time again. Just because it's coming from me, whom you find to be INTELLECTUALLY(oh master sir, did I use it right??) http://www.totse.com/bbs/rolleyes.gif (http://www.totse.com/bbs/rolleyes.gif) beneath you, does not mean it's not worth giving a try.

For the third time:

Metalligod:

Oh and by sin I mean something that condemns you to hell, I thought that's what a sin was.

ashesofzen:

then, we're back to square one. guess what! different denominations have, albeit slight in some cases, different definitions of sin. additionally, confession (or penance, as you'll undoubtedly shout at me for using the common term again) is meant to absolve you of your sins; so really, as long as you repent, nothing will end you up in hell. of course, this again may not necessarily be the case, i'm sure there is some denomination out there that has an unpardonable sin.

Metalligod:

Something religiously reprehensible.

ashesofzen:

subjective.