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inquisitor_11
2004-03-26, 00:30
From the start id like to say that archaeology cannot prove the bible to be "the inspired and revealed word of God". Archaeology can be use to "show some biblical event or passage to be historical...it confirms the historical accuracy and trustworthiness of the events recorded."

Anyway, im no historian so i'll leave the work to them.

"According to this view, a given archaeological discovery means one thing to a supernaturalist, and something different to a nonsupernaturalist, and therefore archaeology has only an incidental bearing on the whole matter of apologetics.

Actually, this is not the whole picture. To illustrate: in the nineteenth century, the Biblical critic could hold with good reason that there never was a Sargon, that the Hittites either did not exist or were insignificant, that the patriarchal accounts had a late background, that the sevenfold lampstand of the tabernacle was a late concept, that the Davidic Empire was not as extensive as the Bible implied, that Belshazzar never existed, and that a host of other supposed errors and impossibilites existed in the Biblical record.

Archaeological discoveries showed, on the contrary, that Sargo existed and lived in a palatial dwelling some twelve miles north of Nineveh, that the Hittites not only existed but were a significant people, that the background of the patriarchs fits the time indicated in the Bible, that the concept of a sevenfold lamp existed in the Early Iron Age, that a significant city given in the record of David's Empire lies far to the north, that Belshazzar existed and ruled over Babylon, and that a host of other supposed errors and contradictions are not errors at all.

It is of course true that in certain peripheral areas, one's theology will have a bearing on his interpretation of a given fact or a particular archaeological discovery. But in the broad outline as well as in a host of small details, facts are facts whether discovered by a supernaturalist or nonsupernaturalist. The writer knows of no nonsupernaturalist who still argues that Sargon never existed, that there never were any Hittites, or that Belshazzar is still a legend. There are many points on which all candid scholars can agree, regardless of their theology. There are certain areas, however where the liberal has not taken the evidence, archaeological or otherwise, sufficiently into account. This is true, we believe, in the realm of the documentary theory and in the question of authorship, dates, and integrity of the books of the Bible."

-Joseph Free, Archaeology and Higher Criticism

theBishop
2004-03-26, 16:58
I haven't studied this topic NEARLY as much as i'd like, but if you approach the bible as a testimony of the early hebrews, then every time archeology agrees with history as the bible describes it, it makes the bible that much more trust worthy.

However, the case can certainly be made that in their limited understanding, the hebrews mistook events as being God's work.

ArmsMerchant
2004-03-26, 20:21
Mark Twain said it best when he observed that the bible contains "some noble poetry, a wealth of obscenity, and upwards of a thousand lies."

theBishop
2004-03-26, 21:18
Lets see some verses ArmsMerchant. I'm sorry but i don't take it for granted that the bible contains lies especially with no examples.

freedom_zero
2004-03-27, 01:27
hmmm... deep. I look at it this way- the bible has survived countless ages, and been scribed, translated, and interpretated a great deal- what are the chances that there would be an error http://www.totse.com/bbs/wink.gif (http://www.totse.com/bbs/wink.gif)

redzed
2004-03-27, 03:03
quote:Originally posted by theBishop:

I haven't studied this topic NEARLY as much as i'd like, but if you approach the bible as a testimony of the early hebrews, then every time archeology agrees with history as the bible describes it, it makes the bible that much more trust worthy.

However, the case can certainly be made that in their limited understanding, the hebrews mistook events as being God's work.

Bishop, your last para seems to contradict the 'trust worthiness'of the bible, if the hebrews "mistook events as being God's work". How then is their scripture trustworthy? If in fact that book is "trust worthy" what of the atrocities committed by the hebrews by command of 'God'?

"[The Israelites] warred against Midian, as the LORD commanded Moses, and slew every male. . . . And the people of Israel took captive the women of Midian and their little ones; and they took as booty all their cattle, their flocks, and all their goods. All their cities in the places where they dwelt, and all their encampments, they burned with fire, and took all the spoil and all the booty, both of man and of beast . . . Moses said to them, "Have you let all the women live? . . . Now therefore, kill every male among the little ones, and kill every woman who has known man by lying with him. But all the young girls who have not known man by lying with him, keep alive for yourselves."

Numbers 31:7-18

Hebrew mistake, or god's doing?

Genocide, rape, murder; how could those crimes be regarded as the work of an all-loving, all-powerful father?

Namaste http://www.totse.com/bbs/smile.gif (http://www.totse.com/bbs/smile.gif)

theBishop
2004-03-27, 03:12
I was just pointing out an obvious argument to the statement i was making. I just do that sometimes so people don't think i'm some idiot Christian who cant comprehend the possibility that i might be wrong (i suppose they do exist).

inquisitor_11
2004-03-27, 04:36
You can actually get info an stats on questionable translations of parts of various bibles.

Since we have copys of several texts from 50-150 yrs after date of writing (NT) we can compare what we have today is what was originally written. (Note that this time gap is around 300-1300yrs smaller than what we have for texts by Homer, Julius Caeser, Tacitus, Plato etc.)