Could it be that (almost) every major religion, with all their differences, and arguments are right? I mean, with the exception of Satanism (I don't consider Satanism a "major" religion), all religions teach the same basic principles.

BAHA'I

"Blessed are those who prefer others

before themselves."

-- Baha'u'llah, Tablets of Baha'u'llah, 71

BUDDHISM

"Hurt not others in ways that you

yourself would find hurtful."

-- Udana-Varga, 5:18



CHRISTIANITY

"Always treat others as you would like

them to treat you."

-- Jesus, Matthew 7:12

CONFUCIANISM

"Do not unto others what you would

not have them do unto you."

-- Analects 15:23



HINDUISM

"This is the sum of all duty: do not do

to others what would cause pain if

done to you."

-- Mahabharata 5:1517

ISLAM

"No one of you is a believer until

you desire for another that which

you desire for yourself"

-- Sunnah



JAINISM

"In happiness and suffering, in joy

and grief, regard all creatures as

you would regard your own self."

-- Lord Mahavir 24th Tirthankara

JUDAISM

"What is hateful to you, do not do

to your neighbor, That is the entire

Torah; all the rest is commentary."

-- Talmud, Shabbat 31a



NATIVE AMERICAN

"Respect for all life is the foundation"

-- The Great Law of Peace

SIKHISM

"Be not estranged from another for

God dwells in every heart."

-- Sri Guru Granth Sahib



ZOROASTRIANISM

"Human nature is good only when it

does not do unto another whatever

is no good for its own self."

-- Dadistan-i-Dinik, 94:5

WICCAN

"Everything you do, whether positive

or negative, is returned to you

threefold."

-- The Threefold Law

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This is a very abreviated list, but I think you get the point. It's been said that all religions teach different part of a whole, greater thruth.

"All religions are one. They teach a divine life. I respect saints and prophets of all religions. I respect all religions, all cults, all faiths and all creeds. I serve all, love all, mix with all and see the Lord in all".

- Swami Sivananda

It's my belief that the Greater Truth cannot be expressed with any words from any languege on Earth. It may be true that what Christ taught has been used to murder millions of innocents, or that what Muhammad taught has been used as an excuse for terror and murder. Does this take away from the Truth? I try to learn as much as I can about the teachings of each religion (including Satanism), not the Dogma and rituals that each church has setup for itself. I believe that minimum alterations to the teachings of the Enlightened Ones can benefit all of humanity. I also believe that each person has his/her own path, and that the psychological makeup of that person determines which path would be the best for that person. So, granted most Christians of this day (I talk of Christians because they are in the majority in the USA) don't follow what I believe to be Jesus' most important teaching. Turn the other cheek. This doesn't take away from that teaching. Answering aggression with aggression is no way to solve things. This doesn't take away from the truth.

I don't believe in any diety, only the Energy that makes up all things. Every person has electricity in thir brain. And energy cannot be created or destroyed, onl altered. I akin this energy to a "soul," it's my belief that this energy is transfered into a "cosmic pool" of energy when people die. Much like going to Heaven. I share the Buddihst view of no-self, no soul. However, E=mc2, so we are all made up of the same atoms. We will all share atoms with one another, because the atoms that are us now, will be atoms in another living being eventually. We are all one another, and we are all individuals. There are no borders on sub-atomic levels, we are all connected. The energy and matter that comprise our bodies will eventually be a part of another living being, reincarnation.

So, it seems that all the fuss in the world is due to mankind's own ignorance of the truth.

I would like to apologize for any errors I have made, they are inevitable.

Some people say yes, some people say no.

If you realy want to find out ask God for yourself?

As I said, there is no God.

quote:Originally posted by KidKelko:

As I said, there is no God.

Be very glad that god does not say "There is no KidKelko."

Obviously, he/she/it/them is way more tolerant than you are.

Did you guys ever wonder, what if there really is a hell?

I mean, the whole concept is a bit scary.

Imagine the concept of eternity, time with no end. Then imagine burning for all that time...forever. Kinda scary. We are so used to a bracket of time, with a beginning and an end...try and imagine eternity...It's almost hard to grasp such a large concept of time. We are so used to EVERYTHING having an end, that something that cannot end seems alien to us.

Fuck, just IMAGINE how long eternity is...then imagine being tortured with no end forever. Man that would fucking suck.



I'm no religious man, but the thought of that still sends chills up my spine.

I think it's more terrifying to imagine NOT existing for eternity. That's the idea of Hel in Norse paganism: Hel is a place of stasis, where nothing grows, develops, or moves. It's an eternal womb - a cocoon of emptiness.

As for KidKelko, I would definitely look into Carl G. Jung. He noticed far more patterns than you have listed here, and developed a psychological practice based on man's relationship to those common denominators, called "archetypes."

For a true understanding of the development of his ideas, read his autobiography: Memories, Dreams, Reflections. I highly recommend it to anyone looking for a way to understand how he came to his understanding of the psyche.

If you meet your anti-self, your body becomes pure energy, a 150lb man has enough mass, to destroy the solar system should he be converted to pure energy instantly.

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quote:Originally posted by Neurolepsis:

Did you guys ever wonder, what if there really is a hell?

I mean, the whole concept is a bit scary.

Imagine the concept of eternity, time with no end. Then imagine burning for all that time...forever. Kinda scary. We are so used to a bracket of time, with a beginning and an end...try and imagine eternity...It's almost hard to grasp such a large concept of time. We are so used to EVERYTHING having an end, that something that cannot end seems alien to us.

Fuck, just IMAGINE how long eternity is...then imagine being tortured with no end forever. Man that would fucking suck.



I'm no religious man, but the thought of that still sends chills up my spine.

dude if the rest of these religions that believe in god and hell are completely right then think about it. They all say that god is infinitely compassionate and forgiving yet he creates a place solely designed to torture and punish for all eternity with NO chance of redemption ever to be offered again. this seems kinda weird too me because i know for sure that im not infinitely compassionate and i would never want a place like that too exist. sure punish them for a while, even make it ironic and make them suffer exactly like they made others suffer (if they got sent to hell cause they raped someone then they go to hell for a year worth where they get jumped over and over by 5 black guys)but not for all eternity. the way i look at it either god cant exist how they say he does (which makes everything else they say kinda dubious) or hell cant exist, plain and simple.

Anyone here ever read the Bible or the Quran not from the perspective of them being religious texts, but as social criticisms? They have a decent deal of historic accuracy, and then shit that just flies off the handle. Really though, the Bible, how it describes Heaven and Hell, mirrors almost perfectly the good and the bad of this world. This life is Heaven, and it is Hell, and the choices you make can allow you to experience more of one than the other...and if they are for eternity, then perhaps we are reincarnated.

I find that to be the most pleasing view of Heaven and Hell...admit it people, an eternity of anything, pleasure OR torture without the other one there to compare it to, is going to mean nothing once it is the status qou. This life we have on this Earth is great because there is both pleasure and pain together; the good moments you have are so damned good because they are absent of the pain, but that pain must exist to compare it to; the bad moments are so damned bad because they are absent of pleasure, and require the comparison to pleasure to exist. Earth is perfect as it is.

all things are in some sense true and in some sense false.

anyway...you forgot thelemic law

do what thou wilt shall be the whole of the law, love is the law love under will.

just remember, will doesnt me your will, will is everyones will.

and yes, the only real law to follow to make everything work right is Do What Thou Wilt.

otherwise known as treat others the way you want to be treated.

Most of the quotes you cited are forms of the 'Golden Rule'. It can be seen so much accross history as a "truth" because it explains morality, or at least the morality the majority of society has agreed upon, very well.

Holy shit! I can't beleive you people. I was't trying to prove that there is a God, and a Devil, and a Heaven, and Hell and all that other Western Religion shit. I was tryig to make you see that all "personalization" that they put into it, with there being a God, and Devil, and Angels, and all that other shit, is just a metaphor, just an illusion to help people live according to a moral path that they all agree is right. All the differences and human additions are what fuck up the TRUE TEACHING. The Golden Rule. Jesus H Christ, you people are so dense. I understand that you are athiests, I wasn't trying to tell you that you are wrong in your beliefs. What I was trying to convey to you people that is that beliefs don't matter. It's not a Right and Wrong thing, just because you don't beleive in a God, doesn't mean that you are wrong, or right. Just because you beleive in a God, doesn't mean you are Right, or Wrong. It's like the interstate system. There are very many routes you can take, but the destination is still the same. Not a destination in any sense of afterlife, but a destination in the sense of what a person has done with their life. All these teachings set one along a different path, but they all give one a final destination, living a "good" moral life.

I don't have a religion. But I have morals.

And as for hell, it can't exist. Everything with a beginning has an end. So God couldn't have created hell, if he did it would be useless sending people there for eternity because Hell would eventually end. So it is either there and was always there, God cannot stop it from existing nor did he create it. Or simply put, there is no Hell.

The scary concept is that the same will apply to Heaven.

"dude if the rest of these religions that believe in god and hell are completely right then think about it. They all say that god is infinitely compassionate and forgiving yet he creates a place solely designed to torture and punish for all eternity with NO chance of redemption ever to be offered again. this seems kinda weird too me because i know for sure that im not infinitely compassionate and i would never want a place like that too exist. sure punish them for a while, even make it ironic and make them suffer exactly like they made others suffer (if they got sent to hell cause they raped someone then they go to hell for a year worth where they get jumped over and over by 5 black guys)but not for all eternity. the way i look at it either god cant exist how they say he does (which makes everything else they say kinda dubious) or hell cant exist, plain and simple."



Uhmmm...god didn't create hell....lucifer did

KidKelko

I agree with you. You are on the right track. You found the true part of each of these religions, the part that was intended to be conveyed, but was then surrounded by details and rules, to make it difficult to uncover the essential truth. The only real religion is what you stated in the quotations.

bkc