ey ive never posted in this forum before, but i just came across this and its something that i believe so strongly in, theres no such thing as GOD, in any religion. Beliefs are just something someone came up with several thousand years ago because they were DUMB and didnt know what the hell was goin on, and they needed to explain things, and because its something passed on through generation to generation people believe its true. I feel sorry for everyone who prays to someone because they are wasting their time. But then again if this makes them happen, well good for them. But like i said if you could just think with a rational and logical mind you would realise their is no such thing as god. And from what everyone says that you must have faith and bla bla bla, this pretty much means, weather you believe in him or not, WONT MAKE A DIFFERENCE. There are hundreds if not thousands of religions out there, and there are also many people who believe in nothing, and the lives of these people are NO different to any others.

I do not need a religion to have a good set of morals or life a good prodoctive life. If this starts a holy war... then good, get your so called gods to do something about it haha

First, there are no shortage of topics where you could have added your insight.

hyper24:

ey ive never posted in this forum before, but i just came across this and its something that i believe so strongly in, theres no such thing as GOD, in any religion.

I know of several religions which would beg to differ.

Beliefs are just something someone came up with several thousand years ago because they were DUMB and didnt know what the hell was goin on, and they needed to explain things, and because its something passed on through generation to generation people believe its true.

And this differs from the sciences how?

I feel sorry for everyone who prays to someone because they are wasting their time.

You sound very sure. Go ahead and prove it.

But then again if this makes them happen, well good for them. But like i said if you could just think with a rational and logical mind you would realise their is no such thing as god. And from what everyone says that you must have faith and bla bla bla, this pretty much means, weather you believe in him or not, WONT MAKE A DIFFERENCE.

How does having faith mean that it doesn't make a difference between believing in a god or not?

There are hundreds if not thousands... ...so called gods to do something about it haha

Some are happy, some aren't...same story, different actors. Though you may not need a religion to be moral, some people do.

I've thought about it logically. I've realized that the senses of my body has strict limitations, and I have concluded that these five senses do not encompass everything reality is.

Therefore, I believe in an ever-present force that permeates all existence and guides everything to a cyclical will - as viewed by the patterns in what we can see of nature, psychology, biology, chemistry, physics, history, and everything tangible.

This is the common denominator of not only every religion on the planet, but all of existential philosophy. The common denominator is that, no matter what, there is a PURPOSE to our lives - a reason and function of our existence. Every testimony I've ever heard of someone accepting a purposeless life has had that story concluded with suicide.

Besides, how exactly do you have a purposeful and moral life without an absolute and suprahuman standard of what is right and wrong?

why do you need some kind of superhuman to tell you what is right and wrong, i know its wrong to steal, i know its bad to hurt someone, these are just basic things but i dont need a god to be a role model

are you tellin me, someone put us here to do something? cant you just accept the facts that we are just another creature, like the birds that fly in the sky and the rats that run across the gorund, the only difference is that we are much more complex animals, we can undertsand and learn, we are self aware. No one put me here to do anything, i strive to LIVE because its animal instinct, because i have emotions and feelings i strive for a GOOD life, i want to be happy, because happy is a good feeling, but we are not put here to do something, there is no purpose.

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I think that what Tyrant is saying is that without some outside standard with which to compare your actions there can be no real sense of an authoritive morality.

There does appear to be "natural intuitions" i.e. "hurting is bad, helping is good" however, most of our general sense of morality is usually socialised into us.

why do you need some kind of superhuman to tell you what is right and wrong, i know its wrong to steal, i know its bad to hurt someone, these are just basic things but i dont need a god to be a role model

Suprahuman means "above human." And how do you know it's wrong to steal or hurt someone?

are you tellin me, someone put us here to do something? cant you just accept the facts that we are just another creature, like the birds that fly in the sky and the rats that run across the gorund, the only difference is that we are much more complex animals, we can undertsand and learn, we are self aware.

I've never seen rhinos build pyramids or ziggurats. I've never seen monkeys split atoms or cure diseases. I've never seen dolphins build empires or discussing the manner by which they think.

You're kind of glazing over that "self-awareness" thing as if it weren't important.

No one put me here to do anything, i strive to LIVE because its animal instinct, because i have emotions and feelings i strive for a GOOD life, i want to be happy, because happy is a good feeling, but we are not put here to do something, there is no purpose.

Animals don't strive to have a good life. Animals don't strive to be happy. Animals don't have emotions and feelings. And animals don't contemplate and reflect on their own existence. Animals strive to eat, shit, and fuck, and beat the piss out of anyone that gets in the way of afore-mentioned eating, shitting, and fucking. Despite the condition to which humanity has degraded (curiously reminiscient of that eat, shit, fuck, repeat cycle common to animals), it's obvious by our biological, social, and (yes) spiritual structure that we're a little more important than that.