Now I'm not one to blame a whole religion or its followers for something. But this is a perfect example of what I have said in previous posts, it's a good example of why ppl dislike the Christian religon.

I have no problems with all christians, it's the eccentrics. (Maybe this will clear things up)

A women STONED her children to death last Mother's Day weekend. She is now pleading guilty by reason of insanity. She believes that she was Chosen by God, to deliver this punishment to her children who were 8, 6, and 2yrs of age.

She pounded their heads with rocks until the brains were not only coming out of their heads, but oozing out.

Ppl like Exsept, believe that the world would be a much better place if everyone was Christian. Well this is proof of otherwise. Yes there are Christians that don't do things like this, however there are thousand of eccentrics, that do.

She says that she was 'INSANE' at the time, "There's no other way" she claims.

I just wanna know, if you ppl think she should fry?

Personally I don't believe in insanity plees. Because I've been diagnosed with having several mental illnesses. I constantly entertain the thought of torturing and killing ppl. But I don't do it because, well, after they die then they can't suffer.

My point is that just because your insane, that does not justify murder. Nor does it mean that one can't understand that harming someone in such a way would kill them. She chose to hurt them in that manner cause she knew that they'd die. She was insane, ok but she understood death.

She knew full well what she was doing. And personally, my view of the Death Penalty, involves a person dying the way the killed their victims.

I say STONE THE BITCH!



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You're worse than a televangelist.

quote:Originally posted by Hexadecimal:

You're worse than a televangelist.

How so???

Plz do explain, especially when, as far as I know, evangelist preach the gospels. They're, hmm, CHRISTIAN!

Something I am far from being.

Metalligod:

Ppl like Exsept, believe that the world would be a much better place if everyone was Christian. Well this is proof of otherwise. Yes there are Christians that don't do things like this, however there are thousand of eccentrics, that do.

Stalin was an atheist. Shall we judge all atheists by his actions? Every group out there has people who do immoral acts.

My point is that just because your insane, that does not justify murder. Nor does it mean that one can't understand that harming someone in such a way would kill them. She chose to hurt them in that manner cause she knew that they'd die. She was insane, ok but she understood death.

If my memory serves me well today, I believe that the legal definition of insanity is that a person is unable to judge between right and wrong. Insanity pleas aren't meant to help someone get away with a crime, they are meant to put a person where they belong, I presume. That is, if someone needs to be institutionalized, rather than put into prison, this gives the legal system a way to decide so.

It isn't that she expected them to survive, the arguement will undoubtedly center around showing that she was incapable of judging her actions as morally wrong when she committed them.

Also, it is very difficult to succeed with a plea of not guilty by reason of insanity, if I remember well enough (I'm not a lawyer, so it's possible I'm incorrect).

She knew full well what she was doing. And personally, my view of the Death Penalty, involves a person dying the way the killed their victims.

Ah, but that is where we've got a lil' bit of a constitutionality issue; remember that provision against cruel and unusual punishments?

I agree. When someone does something like this, they deserve to die in the same way. Yep, a lot of time it will be cruel. Just as cruel as when they did it to soemone else.

The bitch should be dragged out behind the court, and she should have her head beaten in with a rock. Hell, if I was the kids' father I would have already done it to the bitch. Kill three of my kids will ya, you trampy ho.....

quote:Originally posted by ashesofzen:

Stalin was an atheist. Shall we judge all atheists by his actions? Every group out there has people who do immoral acts.

Yeah but he didn't do things in the name of Atheism. This women beat her kids for God. Though it doesn't end with Christianity, you have all kinds of nuts killing people in the name of *whatever*.

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Yeah but he didn't do things in the name of Atheism.

I was thinking the same thing, but I couldn't think of a way to say it coherently. Insanity is no excuse for doing something like that. Believe me, I'm sure I can back this up from personal experience, it is possible that you can do many things without thinking enough to stop yourself, but when you meticulously sit down one child and take the extreme amount of time and force to literally bash their fucking head in, then get up and go get another one and do it to two more, you're a fucking nutcase and there is no way you can say that you didn't have time to gain control of your actions.

I agree that they should stone the bitch...I just wouldn't want to be the one to do it...

...this remind anyone of Suffer the Little Children just a little bit?



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I think the point was that many say the world would be better if everyone was what they are, be it christian, muslim, or believing in Albert the Great Lime Green Duck. I'm an atheist and I don't think that the world would be a better place if everyone was atheist. Fact is, that a lot of peoples sanity seems to be held together by their religious beliefs, some people just suit being religious. Others that stone their kids to death, probably don't suit their religion too much, but she must have had something mentally wrong to do that in my opinion. But, for the record, I say stone the bitch.

Stalin was an atheist. Shall we judge all atheists by his actions? Every group out there has people who do immoral acts.

Dude, I black, so I'm not even the last person to judge everyone by the actions of one. I never ever made a statement that suggests such. And I only used that title as an attention getter.

I've said several times that I blame all Christians, and even stated thus in a post on this very topic. So where r u gettin anything that suggest the opposite.

If my memory serves me well today, I believe that the legal definition of insanity is that a person is unable to judge between right and wrong. Insanity pleas aren't meant to help someone get away with a crime, they are meant to put a person where they belong, I presume. That is, if someone needs to be institutionalized, rather than put into prison, this gives the legal system a way to decide so.

It isn't that she expected them to survive, the arguement will undoubtedly center around showing that she was incapable of judging her actions as morally wrong when she committed them.

Also, it is very difficult to succeed with a plea of not guilty by reason of insanity, if I remember well enough (I'm not a lawyer, so it's possible I'm incorrect).

Ah, but that is where we've got a lil' bit of a constitutionality issue; remember that provision against cruel and unusual punishments?



Totally right. I stated that only I think the bitch should be stoned. And I know full well that there's a law protecting her from such a thing. That's why I say 'I believe' alot.

I know full well what the legal definition of insanity means. I only stated that she knew right from wrong and should not be allowed to use it because of that, and that alone. If you read what I said a bit more carefully, you'd know that I was just stating that she knew.

And you say that the defense will center around whether she's capable of judging her own actions. Well if in her supposed state she could understand destruction, then she knew what she sought to do.

This killing was planned and calculated, that alone proves she was capable of judging her actions. Because it took maticulous planning, and she did this not once or twice but three times. That's 2x over. Whether she judged it wrong or right. She understood, how to hurt, and that she was hurting them.

Dude, you need to wake up and open your eyes. I know full well what the Insanity Plea is supposed to be used for. However, that doesn't stop those who aren't insane from trying to use it. It intrigues me how these supposedly insane ppl can understand the concept of this plea.

A perfect example of such: last year I believe a man 17yrs old) killed his parents and then tried to plead innocent because of momentary insanity. He stated that he killed them because of the Matrix. This pisses me off that he is even given the opporitunity to even use the insanity plea.

And even worse, or equally stupid; the Columbine Boys' parents tried to blame Manson, because they say his music influenced them. That is infanitely stupid.





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quote:Originally posted by Metalligod:

And even worse, or equally stupid; the Columbine Boys tried to blame Manson, because they say his music influenced them. That is infanitely stupid.



How could they blame Manson, when they killed themselves before they could be aprehended?

It was EVERYONE ELSE who blamed Manson

Metalligod, your ability to judge her without any intimate knowledge of the situation speaks far more about your wisdom than mine. Yes, unfortunately, some people misuse the insanity plea--however, rarely do they manage to avoid a sentence. Even if she is off her rocker, she's going to end up in an institution, in all likelihood.

And as for Stalin and Atheism, what difference does it make if a man does not do his actions in the name of his beliefs?

I know that the common statement to make is "Stalin didn't commit his crimes in the name of Atheism." However, he still claimed to be an Atheist and was immoral. Whether or not he said "I smite you in the name of Atheism!" doesn't change the fact that the guy was pretty much crazy, himself.

i think stone the bitch and fuck her with a splintery broomstick. i myself is not christian but i reckon ppl hate christians is coz they're generally uptight sissy muthafuckers that reckon everything is wrong

i dont have a problem with most christians but i fuckin hate the ones that try and push religion onto me and tell me everything i do is wrong

If you kill a murderer then your just lowering yourself to his level.

quote:Originally posted by dearestnight_falcon:

How could they blame Manson, when they killed themselves before they could be aprehended?

It was EVERYONE ELSE who blamed Manson



Oh I'm sorry, let me clear that up.

Their parents tried to blame Manson.

The point of that statement was that, ppl blame others instead of taking responsibility for thier actions.

As for what Ashes said: well, as far as my wisdom on this case, I know that in order to do something that is planned, you have to understand or have some idea of what your actions will result in. When you plan something, you do so cause there is a specific thing that you want to happen.

And in this plan she had the specific purpose of bashing someone in the head multiple times. She did this multiple times, obviously because she wanted their heads to be beaten into a certain condition. In this case it was until the brains of EACH of her victims, were able to pour out of thieir heads.

Doing this whether she understood it or not, results in death. She was able to intrepret harm, conversely, she could also understand pleasure. She knew what she was doing wasn't bringing them pleasure. That is evident in her actions.

Therefore she had to know what the result of her actions would be.

Oh, and BTW: She said she did it because they were bad. She did it for punishment. So that's more proof that she knew what she was doing.



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Oh I'm sorry, let me clear that up.

Their parents tried to blame Manson.

The point of that statement was that, ppl blame others instead of taking responsibility for thier actions.

As for what Ashes said: well, as far as my wisdom on this case, I know that in order to do something that is planned, you have to understand or have some idea of what your actions will result in. When you plan something, you do so cause there is a specific thing that you want to happen.

And in this plan she had the specific purpose of bashing someone in the head multiple times. She did this multiple times, obviously because she wanted their heads to be beaten into a certain condition. In this case it was until the brains of EACH of her victims, were able to pour out of thieir heads.

Doing this whether she understood it or not, results in death. She was able to intrepret harm, conversely, she could also understand pleasure. She knew what she was doing wasn't bringing them pleasure. That is evident in her actions.

Therefore she had to know what the result of her actions would be.

Oh, and BTW: She said she did it because they were bad. She did it for punishment. So that's more proof that she knew what she was doing.



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ok, thanks for clearing it up. Overall, I do actually agree with you, people need to take responsibility and stop blaming others.