I often sit silent and think until my head hurts. I often I start to think about where we came from, and often I say a god put us here. Then I think well, where or who did this god come from?

I see a vast whitness and then I think of energy and then a single energy. And wonder where it came from. Then I think well, somebody created God, some body created that god. And it goes on and on and on.

If God did indeed put us here, what energy did he come from?

Well if you were a god, would you wonder about this too? And would you try to find out? If so, how would you do this.-And then my thought stops, it's like I'm coming on to something that I'm not supposed to know. Everytime I get to this part and I try to keep thinking it feels like something is shutting me out.

Has anyone else ever tried this, if so did you feel this too?

Or what exactly would you do if you were a god in this predicament?

Do you think we're supposed to know this?

Sorry to those who feel it's a cyber rant, but this has been happening to me for years and I had to say something about it.

My main point is if you were a god, how would you go about finding your origin?

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I do the same thing and feel the same way. It harrasses me and then I think science has the answers and I remember the Big Bang. What caused it to go off? i try and not to think about it.

quote:Originally posted by Pegunkey87:

I do the same thing and feel the same way. It harrasses me and then I think science has the answers and I remember the Big Bang. What caused it to go off? i try and not to think about it.

Exactly, ex-freakin-actly, I think of the big bang, and I compress all the gases, all the energies into a small ball, and say to myself what caused it to go off and what made it. And then it feels like I'm coming on to something and some force without words tells me to stop. No it just makes me stop.

Once upon a time, a tucan named Tucan Sam ruled the world with his terrible magic. The inhabitants of the world refused to obey him, so he decided to destroy everything. He compressed matter into a tiny ball, along with himself. One man, Buddha, could not be contained in the ball for his mind and spirituality were too great. After hours of meditation, he gathered the strength to expand the ball, destroy Tucan Sam, and free the universe. However, initiating the explosion took all his energy, and when the ball exploded, he became on with the univers. He joined with every atom in the universe, and is the driving energy behind it. Along with Buddha merging with all mater, Tucan Sam also merged, but to a lesser extent since his power was overridden by Buddha. Buddha exists everywhere and is felt everywhere. Tucan Sam also exists along with Buddha, but will always be overpowered. The key to experiencing Buddha is to connect with the power he used to destroy Tucan Sam, by right mind, right meditation, right speech, and, well, you can look the rest up

The End

where did tucan sam, buddha, and this world come from?

quote:Originally posted by cunfoozedmunkee:

where did tucan sam, buddha, and this world come from?

[draws a blank]

....Jesus?

quote:Originally posted by praisejahmoreherb:

Once upon a time, a tucan named Tucan Sam ruled the world with his terrible magic. The inhabitants of the world refused to obey him, so he decided to destroy everything. He compressed matter into a tiny ball, along with himself. One man, Buddha, could not be contained in the ball for his mind and spirituality were too great. After hours of meditation, he gathered the strength to expand the ball, destroy Tucan Sam, and free the universe. However, initiating the explosion took all his energy, and when the ball exploded, he became on with the univers. He joined with every atom in the universe, and is the driving energy behind it. Along with Buddha merging with all mater, Tucan Sam also merged, but to a lesser extent since his power was overridden by Buddha. Buddha exists everywhere and is felt everywhere. Tucan Sam also exists along with Buddha, but will always be overpowered. The key to experiencing Buddha is to connect with the power he used to destroy Tucan Sam, by right mind, right meditation, right speech, and, well, you can look the rest up

The End

^^^^^

Once upon a time I read a story and it was pointless, and stupid.

quote:Originally posted by Metalligod:

I often sit silent and think until my head hurts. I often I start to think about where we came from, and often I say a god put us here. Then I think well, where or who did this god come from?

I see a vast whitness and then I think of energy and then a single energy. And wonder where it came from. Then I think well, somebody created God, some body created that god. And it goes on and on and on.

If God did indeed put us here, what energy did he come from?

Well if you were a god, would you wonder about this too? And would you try to find out? If so, how would you do this.-And then my thought stops, it's like I'm coming on to something that I'm not supposed to know. Everytime I get to this part and I try to keep thinking it feels like something is shutting me out.

Has anyone else ever tried this, if so did you feel this too?

Or what exactly would you do if you were a god in this predicament?

Do you think we're supposed to know this?

Sorry to those who feel it's a cyber rant, but this has been happening to me for years and I had to say something about it.

"Relative and absolute,

These the two truths are declared to be.

The absolute is not within the reach of the intellect,

For the intellect is grounded in the relative." Shantideva(buddhist teacher 7th-8th century CE)

Apparently these thoughts of god are common to man of all eras metalligod, you are not alone! Particularly in asking "Do you think we're supposed to know this?"

That is a good question! http://www.totse.com/bbs/smile.gif (http://www.totse.com/bbs/smile.gif)

A relative truth would be to say "I know Metalligod from the posts on TOTSE, I know how Metalligod thinks and expresses, therefore I know Metalligod." But do I? No, not in an absolute sense, and in fact to actually know Metalligod in the abolute sense I would need to become you!

Impossible, same as god or how s/he came into being, absolute knowledge is not possible, unless god is a part of us or we are a part of god, or perhaps a reflection?

Myself, i cognise reality in this way: There can be nothing! To say nothing exists or could have existed, or might exist in the future is not possible. Nothing does not exist, it is an oxymoron to say nothing exists.

I exist, "I think therefore I am" (Descartes?) + there is a natural physical existence apparent. Nothing cannot exist + The universe exists = existence is the imperative -- there can be 'nothing' besides.

Physics(as I in my limited understanding of it) portrays a material universe constructed of energy. Energy is eternal - 1st law of thermodynamics "energy cannot be created or destroyed - it simply changes form". A seed sprouts, it absorbs energy from sunlight, and energy from the earth, grows to maturity and dies. The energy dissipates, some to other plants and animals, parts of the tree may burn and the energy converts to light and heat. No energy is lost, ever, there is nothing else, only energy, constantly changing form.

In this world of matter, we being composed of matter, perceive only the 'relative truths', as expressed in matter. There are however energies that are not visible or detectable by the natural human senses, but are discoverable through scientific analysis.

"As above so below"(Kybalion), likewise Taoist teaching instructs one to observe the natural universe and then one may extrapolate that to the unseen universe. However the Tao that can be known is not the Tao, the Tao that can be named is not Tao".

There exists energy and matter, the dimensions in which 'pure' energy exist are not observable by means of matter, that is our physical senses. Our mind however is different. Where in your brain is your mind located, where is the seat of your consciousness, your awareness? One may be conscious at the same instant of parts within and things without, consciousness is able to project itself and see, through the eyes of imagination, all of the universe and the parts therein.

In a chaotic energy field, such as the universe may be seen to be, electricity is observed to transmit in triangular irregularities. Those patterns resemble the neurologic pathways of the brain, could the universe be wired like the brain? Could the universe think?

What is a thought? A neurotransmitter firing a synapse? Energy? Can one show a thought? Handle it - literally?

Electrical forces are partnered to magnetic forces and one sees that electricity sets up electromagnetic forces, you and i are subject them at this very moment from the monitor in front of us. High tension electrical powerlines are know to light a flourescent tube held in hand beneath the wires that are far overhead. We are subject to electro-magnetic radiation at all times, sunlight, radiation, Schumanns Waves( mother earths electricity, generated by the thousand or so lightning strikes every moment around the planet, the electricity generated travels in waves around the planet at frequencies that match human brainwaves).

Thinking in terms of energy and thought, and the eastern philosophys that identify 'god' as consciousness, the modern japanese concept of 'Hado' that equates the energy that consciousness works at as being composed of the smallest units of energy - the energy propelling the electrons. Thermodynamics and Hermetics added to the mix gives me the impression of being as a unity. All things being in their essence composed of energy.

Energy equating to 'spirit', that is spirit as being non-corporeal, and answering to 'pure' energy not being detectable by natural material beings, and, "God is Spirit"(Gospel of John)

"where or who did this god come from?" As i understand it god did not come from anywhere, there is nothing aside from existence! That existence is expressed as energy, constantly changing form and undectable by matter when in the form of pure energy, as is spirit. God is spirit = god is energy. The absolute is not able to be known by the relative. Energybeing is not cognised by matterbeing.

"If God did indeed put us here, what energy did he come from?" The energy of existence, as per the 1st law of thermodynamics, energy cannot be created or destroyed, it is eternal, just as god is said to be eternal, and because there can not be "nothing", 'nothing' never existed, therefore there was never a beginning, as that would have required a state of nothingness prior to the beginning, and from nothing comes nothing.

In the absence of zero there is only infinite positives and negatives, as in algebra when one is able to make sums from a zero as long as the negative values assigned are matched by the positive values. So we see in nature an endless progression of negative and positive values, from the protons and the electrons through to nebulas where stars are born and black holes where matter is destroyed - converts back to pure energy. Everything is one substance manifesting as pulling and pushing forces in an infinite array of matter, energy is this substance.

"Well if you were a god, would you wonder about this too? And would you try to find out? If so, how would you do this.-And then my thought stops, it's like I'm coming on to something that I'm not supposed to know. Everytime I get to this part and I try to keep thinking it feels like something is shutting me out."

Yes and yes http://www.totse.com/bbs/smile.gif (http://www.totse.com/bbs/smile.gif) How, is by recognising that the only constant is change, even the speed of light has been mastered by science, "everything moves, everything vibrates"(Kybalion) What is my 'relative truth' today may change by the morrow and still be a relative truth, but the absolute is unknowable except by the 'absolute'.

That, i am not, however "as above so below", i am still able to learn, progressively, those things that are able to be known in the realm of matter.

The reason i feel, as do you(maybe), 'uncomfortable' in approaching the absolute, is that it is so great that my 'relative' being shrinks .. to nothingness, and of course that does not exist http://www.totse.com/bbs/wink.gif (http://www.totse.com/bbs/wink.gif)

Then i question my own existence, am i in fact real? What is real? Is real that which is eternal, unchanging? Then i am not real, that is the physical/material me, but what of the energy? my spirit?

END OF RANT IN REPLY TO RANT http://www.totse.com/bbs/smile.gif (http://www.totse.com/bbs/smile.gif)

DISCLAIMER: this rant should not be taken as 'gospel', rather as a contribution to a conversation about the unknowable.

Namaste http://www.totse.com/bbs/smile.gif (http://www.totse.com/bbs/smile.gif)

quote:Originally posted by Metalligod:

^^^^^

Once upon a time I read a story and it was pointless, and stupid.



Ouch, I put a good 45 seconds into writing that.

quote:Originally posted by praisejahmoreherb:

Ouch, I put a good 45 seconds into writing that.

I was just kidding, because I didn't get it.

quote:Originally posted by Metalligod:

Well if you were a god, would you wonder about this too? And would you try to find out? If so, how would you do this.-And then my thought stops, it's like I'm coming on to something that I'm not supposed to know. Everytime I get to this part and I try to keep thinking it feels like something is shutting me out.

See, your problem is the same one that the Greek philosophers had.

They liked to think about things. A lot.

What they weren't big on is actually looking at things - unless they could make assumptions about them and think about it. This is how junk like the five elements theory came about.

The problem with this is that you build entire schools of thought without any foundation. It's intellectual wankery.

You need evidence before you can say anything of any use. You can't "logick" things into truth (oooh, I think I just coined a new word - I like!)

I suspect your mental block isn't something preventing you from thinking about it, it's your subconcious saying "whoa, i can only make up so much crap at once".

I think God create us and he has always existed. If that is proven false, I will believe that the universe is created out of the concept of 1 and 0.

I like binary because it doesn't have to mean the number one and the number 0. It can be represented by "on" and "off" or "true" and "false" or "exists" and "doesn't exist".

After programming for a few years, I've come to appreciate programming languages as similar to the way god creates things out of nothing. If 1 and 0 can exist, and they do in some form, then everything can be built from that.

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quote:Originally posted by Craftian:

See, your problem is the same one that the Greek philosophers had, blah, blah, blah...

Yeah your right I do think too much.

As a matter of fact, I think I recall me saying that,

so go be the master of the obvious somewhere else!

I recall saying: “I think until my head hurts”

Now as for what you said about evidence and logic:

Evidence is found by Logically working though or inspecting something. Logic is what man bases everything on. We humans have these things called theories.

These theories are possible, logical explanations for things man, does not yet know. We wouldn’t have anything if man did not have logic. There would be no cloths, TVs, games, cars, spoons, soaps, etc. Are catching on yet?

Logic is the foundation for truth. We can’t find evidence if we don’t have a logical plan as a means of finding it. You don’t need evidence to say something of ‘use.’ You need a theory and a reason for that theory. I don’t know what planet your from, but here we logic everything into truth. If there is no logic, then expect no truth to be found.

Ppl do you see what happens when you don’t have a minute fraction of intelligence, then try to demean someone else’s views. See your problem is, you appear to be dumb, and without a sense of logical<<<there goes that word again- fortitude in your entire being.

It’s intellectual uselessness!

You could have at least stayed on subject. The question was if you were God, or a god, what would you do? By this, I meant; what would you do to find out where you came from?

Or do you think were not supposed to know such things?





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quote:Originally posted by redzed:

"energy cannot be created or destroyed - it simply changes form"...

I got another thought on this energy thing.

What exactly is energy?

We define it as atoms.

We are taught, that the subatomic parts of an atom were the definate elementary parts of which everything is made.

And that everything is made of atoms.

But only very recently in history(I don't mean yesterday) we've come to find out that this is not true. That electrons, protons, and neutron are made up of smaller things. Quarks.

This seems to me as though, something has made a building system which they believe and want no one ever to discover.

I think maybe if God is real these things that made us up are like legos to Him. It's like He's got a unique system for which to make everything. These blocks that are the atoms are made up of other blocks. And these atoms come in differents shapes, sizes and wieghts.

He could very well have a certain way to have the blocks arranged, so that they create life, rocks, the stars, etc. Ppl look at atoms as energy, well we've already disproven the first Law of Thermo. atoms can indeed be destroyed. A.K.A-Nuclear Fission. we can split those atoms, and one day we might be able to do the same to quarks.



It's sorta like He's got those blocks that are made the same way those stupid toys are made. The one with a big toy with a smaller toy in it. And a smaller toy in that, and so forth and so on.

You really need to read up on and understand physics before you make assertions such as these.

quote:Originally posted by ashesofzen:

You really need to read up on and understand physics before you make assertions such as these.

I'll be the first to tell you, I hate physics. It is sooo, boring so just tell me what I've said that was false, this will in turn teach instead of beggining a big bickering fest.

I thought that atoms were considered energy, and that it is said that they can never be created nor destroyed. If that is wrong then tell me(teach me). Do that instead of beggining a long stupid arguement.

If it is the thing with the quarks, then tteach me the truth. I was told that these come in six different types.

Strange

Charm

Up

Down

Top

Bottom

I was also taught that these came only in the proton and the neutrons though I stated electrons as well. Again if it is not true then tell me what is.

----------------Diff. Subj.

You know what would be fucked up?

If We were all just apart of some psychos imagination.

If what we feel is just what we think we feel.

Or if we are all the same person, and were are the conscious eating at the same person. Nothing more than conflicting consciousness.

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The best way to learn is to expend effort. (http://www.lbl.gov/abc/Basic.html)

There are thousands of websites out there.

quote:Originally posted by ashesofzen:

You really need to read up on and understand physics before you make assertions such as these.



I couldn't agree more...

To paraphrase Einstein:

Evidence without thought is lame, thought without evidence is blind.

They are both equally important.

And if I was a god I'm be omniscient, so I'd know where I came from.

quote:Originally posted by cunfoozedmunkee:

where did tucan sam, buddha, and this world come from?

One day Nothing thought "Now who the fuck am I?"

*Bing* God existed.

"OOPS" God thought. "See what happens when your too self involved".

This is a tough but interesting question.

Maybe it's something we should all try to speculate upon instead of using it as an argument.

Come on none believers!! Let's see if you can come up with any decent theories. It's seemingly impossible but one of the ultimate mental challenges.

quote:Originally posted by ashesofzen:

The best way to learn is to expend effort. (http://www.lbl.gov/abc/Basic.html)

There are thousands of websites out there.



Telling some1 to look at a page isn't much help. What is it that was not true that I posted? Tell me this so I could then look into it and find the truth.

I know full well what atoms are made of, as I've already proven. So what exactly is it that I posted that was false?

I know the things that are on the page you made a link to, it has been crammed into my head for several years. So what is it that I posted that was false?

Are atoms not considered energy? Electrons have negative charges, proton positive, neutrons neutral. Togetther they form atoms. Prtons and neutrons are NOT fundamental particles. So, again, what exactly did I post that was false?

Plz specify. Ok besides the misuse of the word fission, what was wrong? Spliting an atom is destroying that atom, thus destroying energy. It is not destroyed as in it is evaported from existance, but it is destroyed, as far as I was taught.

If you rip apart a uranium atom, then it is no longer an uranium atom, thus destroying it. Though the different parts that made it up still exist. They are not together in the form of uranium.

So again plz, specify what is wrong so that I could then learn what is right.

Knowlie, you said you couldn't agree more, so then tell me what is the truth of the matter. Show me what I posted that was false Knowlie.

I so look forward to learning something, so plz teach.

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Metalligod:

...Now as for what you said about evidence and logic:

Evidence is found by Logically working though or inspecting something. Logic is what man bases everything on. We humans have these things called theories.

That would be the deductive method. There is also induction.

These theories are possible, logical explanations for things man, does not yet know. We wouldn’t have anything if man did not have logic. There would be no cloths, TVs, games, cars, spoons, soaps, etc. Are catching on yet?

If anything is possible, how can you be so sure we wouldn't have these things without logic, eh?

Logic is the foundation for truth. We can’t find evidence if we don’t have a logical plan as a means of finding it. You don’t need evidence to say something of ‘use.’ You need a theory and a reason for that theory. I don’t know what planet your from, but here we logic everything into truth. If there is no logic, then expect no truth to be found.

Already addressed.

...You could have at least stayed on subject. The question was if you were God, or a god, what would you do? By this, I meant; what would you do to find out where you came from?

Or do you think were not supposed to know such things?...

What would I do? Probably, nothing. As I presume you're speaking of God, I would be omniscient. So I wouldn't have to do anything.

What exactly is energy?

We define it as atoms.

Support this definition.

We are taught, that the subatomic parts of an atom were the definate elementary parts of which everything is made.

I sure as hell was never taught that. All the works I've read have not made such a definite statement. You must go to a school that's pretty goddamn poor to be reading such outdated material.

And that everything is made of atoms.

Plasmas are strange.

But only very recently in history(I don't mean yesterday) we've come to find out that this is not true. That electrons, protons, and neutron are made up of smaller things. Quarks.

This seems to me as though, something has made a building system which they believe and want no one ever to discover.

Why? Why does the existence of quarks do anything to prove intelligent design?

...He could very well have a certain way to have the blocks arranged, so that they create life, rocks, the stars, etc.

That'd be chemistry.

Ppl look at atoms as energy, well we've already disproven the first Law of Thermo. atoms can indeed be destroyed. A.K.A-Nuclear Fission. we can split those atoms, and one day we might be able to do the same to quarks.

source: (http://www.energyquest.ca.gov/story/chapter13.html)

An atom's nucleus can be split apart. When this is done, a tremendous amount of energy is released. The energy is both heat and light energy. Einstein said that a very small amount of matter contains a very LARGE amount of energy. This energy, when let out slowly, can be harnessed to generate electricity. When it is let out all at once, it can make a tremendous explosion in an atomic bomb.

In fission reactions, no energy is destroyed. Though matter (energy) changes forms, there is no net loss of energy in the reaction.

Metalligod:

Telling some1 to look at a page isn't much help. What is it that was not true that I posted? Tell me this so I could then look into it and find the truth.

It is not my job to spoon-feed you. Try doing something for your own benefit.

I know full well what atoms are made of, as I've already proven. So what exactly is it that I posted that was false?

I know the things that are on the page you made a link to, it has been crammed into my head for several years. So what is it that I posted that was false?

O, can you explain the strong interaction, then? The weak? Gravity? Hell, can you even explain how electromagnetism functions? How about electrons?

...Plz specify. Ok besides the misuse of the word fission, what was wrong? Spliting an atom is destroying that atom, thus destroying energy. It is not destroyed as in it is evaported from existance, but it is destroyed, as far as I was taught.

And basic high-school chemistry allows you to destroy quite a few chemicals. Don't you think that if the Laws of Thermodynamics were so easy to violate, people would have gotten around to not teaching them anymore?

Christ, it is not my job to make sure you get all the information you need. If you really want an answer to your questions, you wouldn't complain about how "boring" physics are, and such.

Metalligod-Ashes

If anything is possible, how can you be so sure we wouldn't have these things without logic, eh?

Anything is not possible. I don’t know what planet or dimension you live in but here, laws of physicals, and other things apply. Sorry, I don’t believe in magic, or that a bird could all of a sudden fly out of your ass, without it being forced up there first.

Already addressed.

Do what you’ve asked of me so many times, show proof. What do you mean?

What would I do? Probably, nothing. As I presume you're speaking of God, I would be omniscient. So I wouldn't have to do anything.



You keep using the omniscient thing, we need not go there. For God is not omniscient, and if you were God or a god, doesn’t meant that you to would be omniscient. And once again, omniscience does not signify understading.

Support this definition.

I don’t mean work energy (E=MC2), which is the energy you might want me to refer to. I mean it as in, what scientist say. Everything is made of energy, well if that is so, and everyone is made of atoms, then atoms are energy.

When they say this, they don't mean everything is made of E=MC2, that's work energy. But you being a wiz and all, you knew this already, eh?

My God, there is a difference in energy for work, and engergy that makes things up. You should really read up on physics.

Plasmas are strange.

Yeah, well you are to.

What’s you point?

Why? Why does the existence of quarks do anything to prove intelligent design?

Who said anything about Intelligence Design?

I’ve never read up on it cause I don’t find it interesting.

Why, if you would read things the way they’re wrote, and stop fragmenting everything thing you would see that this is a stupid question, because it was already explained why.

That'd be chemistry.

So what! What’s your point?

In fission reactions, no energy is destroyed. Though matter (energy) changes forms, there is no net loss of energy in the reaction.

If you used more ENERGY reading then you would find this a dumb statement, and put it in the “so what” column of life. I’ve already stated that I used it wrong in my stupor for the right words. I knew then I’d used it wrong but if you didn’t waste time trying to make a big bicker fest out of things then you would be mature, and not cling to such things. For the lowest of imbeciles could realize what I truly meant.

It is not my job to spoon-feed you. Try doing something for your own benefit.

Don’t need you to spoon-feed me. I wouldn’t trust a spoon to go in my mouth that’s been in your clutches. Foul creature.

You make it your job to behave like a childish bitch, and point out possible errors, and errors, then avoid everything else. And you make it your job to try and make yourself appear smart, and be snappy and witty with remarks that just make you again look more stupid.

You find it your job to be as imbecilic as possible, but when asked to do something beneficial you become a hermit.

I am doing something for my own benefit, but it seems you’re to stupid to realize. I came and said from the beginning I am trying to learn. You have no knowledge to give so your not needed. You’ve given full palpable evidence of your denseness, you so dull and dumb.

I’m learning things from ppl, and you go and say: “Try doing something for your own benefit.” when indeed that’s what I’m already doing. I vastly overestimated you. You pathetically dumb. Go play little boy.

O, can you explain the strong interaction, then? The weak? Gravity? Hell, can you even explain how electromagnetism functions? How about electrons?

Yes I could. More of your obvious childishness, and not even able to stay on topic, huh, how you bore me. What does this have to do with the topic? Hmm…nothing. What being an advocate of teaching instead of whining…hmmm, again nothing.

Yeah this has a lot to do with, being a god, or telling someone what false statements were made.

And basic high-school chemistry allows you to destroy quite a few chemicals. Don't you think that if the Laws of Thermodynamics were so easy to violate, people would have gotten around to not teaching them anymore?

What does this have to do with anything? Destroying a chemical, and destroying a chemicals, element or elements. Two totally different things. But of course you know this already? Not!

Christ, it is not my job to make sure you get all the information you need. If you really want an answer to your questions, you wouldn't complain about how "boring" physics are, and such.

Not your job to make sure I get all the info I need, indeed. But what does this have to do with anything? Who said it was your job, hmm, peculiar. But not interesting. Bitches love to bark, eh, Ashes. Response: Ruff, Ruff

See what happens when it’s that time of the month for some broads?

I wouldn’t much rather someone tell what I’ve done wrong, inversely teaching me the right way. Rather than argue like postmenstrual, ghetto, baby’s-mama, females. But Ashes does not agree with a mature civilized way. What a pathetic cunt! Go change your pad. I haven’t the time for your incessant whining.

BTW: And what the hell does this reply have to do with the physics you so eloquently pointed out I need to ‘Read up on.’

TA1E (To any1 Else): If you feel you must reply, please do stay on subject. If you plan on being like Ashes at least have something useful to say, just take it to Bitch and Moan. I needn’t bicker with fat menopausal whores, such as Ashes.

Ashes, you think your smart, your not!(What...r u, suprised?)

I suggest you find a playmate to aid you in your childish need to bicker. I can have you certain to know it won't be me.

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me:

Already addressed.

Metalligod:

Do what you’ve asked of me so many times, show proof. What do you mean?

Craftian:

To paraphrase Einstein:

Evidence without thought is lame, thought without evidence is blind.

They are both equally important.

Metalligod:

I don’t mean work energy (E=MC2)... ...I need to ‘Read up on.’

Saying that matter is energy is not the same as saying energy is matter. That logic, applied to a different setting, would be much like stating that:

all dogs are mammals

therefore

all mammals are dogs

me:

Plasmas are strange.

Metalligod:

What’s you point?

My point is that not all states of matter can be cleanly broken down into simple atoms. You seem to believe that all matter is composed of atoms. If you need another example, look up the idea of a "neutron star."

Who said anything about Intelligence Design?

I’ve never read up on it cause I don’t find it interesting.

Why, if you would read things the way they’re wrote, and stop fragmenting everything thing you would see that this is a stupid question, because it was already explained why.

I never said a thing about "Intelligence (sic) Design."

If you used more ENERGY reading then you would find this a dumb statement, and put it in the “so what” column of life. I’ve already stated that I used it wrong in my stupor for the right words. I knew then I’d used it wrong but if you didn’t waste time trying to make a big bicker fest out of things then you would be mature, and not cling to such things. For the lowest of imbeciles could realize what I truly meant.

You asked me to explain why you were wrong. The fact is, you don't understand what fission is, evidently. Although I am lower than "the lowest of imbeciles," I've at least managed to grasp that concept.

And, finally...

me:

What would I do? Probably, nothing. As I presume you're speaking of God, I would be omniscient. So I wouldn't have to do anything.

Metalligod:

You keep using the omniscient thing, we need not go there. For God is not omniscient, and if you were God or a god, doesn’t meant that you to would be omniscient.

So, then, you need to tell me exactly what qualities I, as a god, would have. Then I'll answer your question.

If I recall correctly, the only two forms of energy we have firm evidence of are matter and motion.

Common forms of energy as matter:

Photons

Elementary particles (including ions and electron streams, aka electricity)

Quarks

Energy as motion:

Heat (Heat energy is just atoms vibrating and colliding)

Anything is not possible. I don?t know what planet or dimension you live in but here, laws of physicals, and other things apply. Sorry, I don?t believe in magic, or that a bird could all of a sudden fly out of your ass, without it being forced up there first.

Actually, anything is possible. Probably is another story.

Do what you?ve asked of me so many times, show proof. What do you mean?

I think he meant he had already addressed it.

You keep using the omniscient thing, we need not go there. For God is not omniscient, and if you were God or a god, doesn?t meant that you to would be omniscient. And once again, omniscience does not signify understading.

What makes you the final authority on what traits God has? Fuck man, you don't even know if one exists, let alone what traits they would have.

I don?t mean work energy (E=MC2), which is the energy you might want me to refer to. I mean it as in, what scientist say. Everything is made of energy, well if that is so, and everyone is made of atoms, then atoms are energy.

When they say this, they don't mean everything is made of E=MC2, that's work energy. But you being a wiz and all, you knew this already, eh?

My God, there is a difference in energy for work, and engergy that makes things up. You should really read up on physics.

No, there isn't a difference...not the slightest fucking bit. Energy is energy, simple as that. Whether it currently be motion or matter means nothing, as it is still energy.

Yeah, well you are to.

What?s you point?

He was pointing out that matter isn't necessarily made of atoms, per se.

If you used more ENERGY reading then you would find this a dumb statement, and put it in the ?so what? column of life. I?ve already stated that I used it wrong in my stupor for the right words. I knew then I?d used it wrong but if you didn?t waste time trying to make a big bicker fest out of things then you would be mature, and not cling to such things. For the lowest of imbeciles could realize what I truly meant.

That's not a 'so what'. He was using it to show that matter is energy, and along with the previous comment on plasma, it shows that not all energy is caused by a nuclear force (only two of the four forces are nuclear, there's also electromagnetic and gravitational). Perhaps you should read up on physics. Also, I'm far from an imbecile, and I was barely able to decipher what you had meant.

Don?t need you to spoon-feed me. I wouldn?t trust a spoon to go in my mouth that?s been in your clutches. Foul creature.

You make it your job to behave like a childish bitch, and point out possible errors, and errors, then avoid everything else. And you make it your job to try and make yourself appear smart, and be snappy and witty with remarks that just make you again look more stupid.

You find it your job to be as imbecilic as possible, but when asked to do something beneficial you become a hermit.

I am doing something for my own benefit, but it seems you?re to stupid to realize. I came and said from the beginning I am trying to learn. You have no knowledge to give so your not needed. You?ve given full palpable evidence of your denseness, you so dull and dumb.

I?m learning things from ppl, and you go and say: ?Try doing something for your own benefit.? when indeed that?s what I?m already doing. I vastly overestimated you. You pathetically dumb. Go play little boy.

Such an eloquent hypocrit.

What does this have to do with anything? Destroying a chemical, and destroying a chemicals, element or elements. Two totally different things. But of course you know this already? Not!

You had said you were taught that the energy was destroyed. Ashes pointed out that if the laws of thermodynamics were so easy to break they wouldn't even teach them...the energy is not destroyed, it becomes mostly kinetic energy in the form of heat, with some material energy as photons. Still not the slightest change in total entropy.

Not your job to make sure I get all the info I need, indeed. But what does this have to do with anything? Who said it was your job, hmm, peculiar. But not interesting. Bitches love to bark, eh, Ashes. Response: Ruff, Ruff

See what happens when it?s that time of the month for some broads?

I wouldn?t much rather someone tell what I?ve done wrong, inversely teaching me the right way. Rather than argue like postmenstrual, ghetto, baby?s-mama, females. But Ashes does not agree with a mature civilized way. What a pathetic cunt! Go change your pad. I haven?t the time for your incessant whining.

BTW: And what the hell does this reply have to do with the physics you so eloquently pointed out I need to ?Read up on.?

TA1E (To any1 Else): If you feel you must reply, please do stay on subject. If you plan on being like Ashes at least have something useful to say, just take it to Bitch and Moan. I needn?t bicker with fat menopausal whores, such as Ashes.

Ashes, you think your smart, your not!(What...r u, suprised?)

I suggest you find a playmate to aid you in your childish need to bicker. I can have you certain to know it won't be me.

Metalligod, you are the one acting like a sociopathic, PMSing idiot. Shut the fuck up, please.

Hexadecimal:

Actually, anything is possible. Probably is another story.

Thank you. My faith in humanity is restored.

I know what you mean...my head fucking hurts from reading this thread.

quote:Originally posted by Hexadecimal:

Such an eloquent hypocrit...

Your the bitch who wants to dick ride someone ya don't know and come to a conversation not knowing what the hell your talking about. Go rant somewhere else shitfaced bitch!

And also I did indeed say I was bored by physics. I admitted that I don't know everything just show me what I said that was wrong. And tell me what is true, so that I could then learn. He got ver beligerent, as did you.

There is a forum made espsecially for your kind. You whinny bitch! Instead of bitching you could have pointed out the things that I posted to be untrue, you wanted to be an indignant bitch so I'll speak to you in your language.

I would have stayed kind, but you like him began raving like the faggot bitches you are. Go eat shit a die slow. Useless cum-guzzler.



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Written long before Hex posted:

Ashes being a god:I needn’t tell you anything about the qualities you would have as a god. Ppl who don't take the bible as absolute truth, know that God is not omniscient. Therefore if you were God, you indeed would NOT be omniscient. If you were a god and was omniscient, so what! Knowing everything does signify understanding everything. It simply does not mean that you understand. When I was three I would hear words in my head that sound like real words, but I’d never heard them before. Just because I knew these words, it didn’t mean I understood them. I know of you, I don’t understand you, or what you feel.

Issue number 2. So the fuck what, about the neutron star. It does not matter WHAT atoms make it up. We know that everything is indeed comprised of atoms, the fact that it once had, hydrogen (hmmm, an atom) and that it had an iron rich crust, is proof alone that it is indeed made of atoms. Bunches of material crammed together. My goddamned brother is a chemical engineer. He works for nuclear power plants. He's worked at Fernald, and our main Nuke plant in New Mexico. I've had my share of discussions of the composition of neutron stars and super novas. Everything is made of atoms, except the subatomic particles themselves.

You come off even dumber than before, you now tell me to look into neutron stars. There is no need. The fact that it burns is proof of atoms in its composition. Combustibles are chemicals-chemicals come from elements- elements are atoms.

You never said anything about it, so I must have made up the question, “Why? Why does the existence of quarks do anything to prove intelligent design?”

Please, be4real!

I never stated that matter was energy. Those are your own words, and your own understanding of things. I said that everything, meaning all material, is comprised of atoms. This means matter is not energy, but is made of energy. Now where you get ‘your’ understandings, I don’t know, nor care.

Yes I did ask you to explain why I was wrong, but you didn’t. You tried to make it seem as though I knew nothing of physics, when it appears as though I know more than you. You tried to make it as though what I said about atoms and their composition, and the composition of protons and neutron were false. We indeed they’re not. Now I admitted from the begging that I used the wrong word in saying fission. I understand fission very well. But anyone who wasn’t fixed on being an asshole could understand what I meant to say. I understand full well the processes of fission, and fusion.

Instead of making a reply that would keep good conversation up, and better understandings of each other’s views. Instead you wanted to get all indignant, and I don’t have the time for it. I once thought you better than to be an imbecile without an Iota of knowledge in them. I once thought you to be someone who didn’t search for things to argue about for the sake of just being a bitch. I thought you smart. But you’ve proven otherwise. I no longer seek to know you. So just don’t make a fuckin post to me again. Dudes just go!

just added: Now for you and Hex, I thought a means of which we could avoid the bickering. So Hex where do you come off talking about me? When it is I who tried very hard to avoid bickering. Go fuck yourself bitch. I said from the beggining tell me what is wrong with what I wrote. I don't need to bicker as you and Ashes do, I just don't need it.

He as well as you chose to begin the belittling remarks, and I fuckin finished it. Don't just go into a fuckin conversation when you don't know everything that's going on. Ashes has a serious problem with ppl(me) who don't see things as he does.

And instead of telling someone why what they think something doesn't make sense, and doing anything to carry on a good conversation, he decides to be an ass. Don't fuckin fault me for not seeing things the way you do I don't have to.

When I ask over and over til it becomes begging for someone to just tell me what's right or wrong when trying to learn from them and they still insist on being indignant. Bitch don't blame me!

You and he argue til everyone has forgotten about the issue at hand. None of this has anything to do with the topic. He posts to me for the very purpose of trying to piss me off, and trying to make me look bad when it just hurts him.

All you had to do if you didn't understand what I posted was to tell me. So I could then better explain it. Why fucking post if your just going to bitch? You came in his defense not knowing what your talking about, and not having a thing to say on the topic, like a gay fucking arguing hero. Bitch just DIE!

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"Everything is made of atoms, except the subatomic particles themselves."

This right here is one thing you say that is complete bullshit.

Light is not made of atoms, it is made of photons. Neutron stars are not atomic, they're fucking masses of neutrons, electricity is not made of atoms, it's just electron streams, plasma is not necessarily atomic either. The majority of particles are photons, have fun with that one if you still think atoms comprise most matter.

There, I pointed out one flaw and corrected it. Want me to scan and crush more, or no?

This time, Metalligod, I'll keep the "remixing" to a minimum. To the rest of you, apologies, if any of this is more confusing because of that fact.

Metalligod:

I needn’t tell you anything about the qualities you would have as a god. Ppl who don't take the bible as absolute truth, know that God is not omniscient. Therefore if you were God, you indeed would NOT be omniscient. If you were a god and was omniscient, so what! Knowing everything does signify understanding everything. It simply does not mean that you understand. When I was three I would hear words in my head that sound like real words, but I’d never heard them before. Just because I knew these words, it didn’t mean I understood them. I know of you, I don’t understand you, or what you feel.

I don't take the Bible as absolute truth. That does not mean that I can make the ironclad statement that a god cannot be omniscient. If you want to prove that a god absolutely cannot be omniscient, go right ahead. However, if I am going to tell you how i would go about finding my origins as a god--and you will neither allow me to choose my own qualities nor give me qualities--then I must say that I would go about it in the same way that I currently do.

You knew the words? Or you knew that the sounds which were the logical equivalent of a particular word existed? If you knew that they were for certain a word, rather than just sounds, wouldn't you have to know the definition?

And, if you know the definition of a word, do you not understand the word?

How can you claim to know me, if you don't understand me or what I feel? If you don't understand my reasoning, if you don't understand what I feel, what exactly do you know?

Issue number 2. So the fuck what about the neutron star. It does not matter WHAT atoms make it up. We know that everything is indeed comprised of atoms, the fact that it once had, hydrogen (hmmm, an atom) and that it had an iron rich crust, is proof alone that it is indeed made of atoms. Bunches of material crammed together. My goddamned brother is a chemical engineer. He works for nuclear power plants. He's worked at Fernald, and our main Nuke plant in New Mexico. I've had my share of discussions of the composition of neutron stars and super novas. Everything is made of atoms, except the subatomic particles themselves.

source: (http://www.herts.ac.uk/astro_ub/a41_ub.html)

When electron degeneracy pressure can no longer withstand the downwards pull of gravity, the material collapses into a sixth state of matter, known as baryon degenerate matter. In this state of matter, the electrons, which usually orbit the atomic nuclei, have been forced into the nuclei, where they combine with the protons and form neutrons. This means that the entire body is composed of neutrons. These neutrons are still being tugged by gravity but they, too, must obey Pauli's exclusion principle. So, just as the electrons did before them, they exert a pressure which resists further collapse...

The point is, a neutron star is not composed of atoms. Where the hell do you get the fact that a neutron star has "an iron rich crust?"

Your brother could be the goddamn King of the Fairies, it still doesn't make you qualified to make assertions about physics. Especially since you've already admitted that you lack a deep understanding in this field.

You come off even dumber than before, you now tell me to look into neutron stars. There is no need. The fact that it burns is proof of atoms in its composition. Combustibles are chemicals-chemicals come from elements- elements are atoms.

And how do you know that a neutron star "burns?" You do realize that normal stars do not combust, don't you? That fusion is what's happening?

You never said anything about it, so I must have made up the question, “Why? Why does the existence of quarks do anything to prove intelligent design?”

Please, be4real!

No. you asked me, to paraphrase, "Who said anything about Intelligence design?"

This is not the same as Intelligent Design. To say there is an entity out there that uses "building blocks" to create things, and therefore there is an Intelligent Designer is the idea behind that particular statement (much abbreviated, I realize, but that's the core).

I never stated that matter was energy... ...I no longer seek to know you. So just don’t make a fuckin post to me again. Dudes just go!

I'm not forcing you to post. That is purely your choice. I just do not appreciate being insulted--and--I'd like to think that you might, one of these times, just read my post.



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I was talking of material. Not all the shit you and he say. I even believe I stated that. Every material is made of atoms. Instead of being a assclown you could have approached the situation differently.

I needn't say more to you two, nothing gets through, and I can't give a damn enough to even care. Just leave me the hell alone.

He fucking knew from the begining that I was speaking of material things.

If you would have started from the begin instead of trying to be his superman then you'd know that.

Then he comes with this post above, plz.

He just doesn't get it.

Both of you can go play. Just leave me alone.

He can't fathom that someone can know a word without knowing the definition, or knowing the word being that you've never heard it said before.

He can't, read things as they are. I never said I know him. I never said he couldn't choose his own qualities as a god. I don't care. He can't even fathom that just because you know something, you know it without understanding it. What is the point of carrying on with him? He can't fathom small things.

Right you don't make me post and I never said you did. I did not insult you I fuckin begged you bitch. I begged you to tell me things and you got indignant. You are intollerable, and you want to be. You are uncompromising, and inconcievablly antagonistic.

you 2 are hilarious, i never said matter was immeterial. name one thing that can be touched that does not have atoms. then i will quit. and then tell me what does this have to do with the topic, you jackals.

Then, again, I beg, tell me what's so inconcievable about the idea that a being could have possibly design subatomic particles, and as well design a way for things to be arranged so that certain things happen.

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So, then, neutron stars are immaterial?

They aren't composed of matter?

Please.

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Metalligod (post-edit):

He can't fathom that someone can know a word without knowing the definition, or knowing the word being that you've never heard it said before.

webster.com (http://www.webster.com/cgi-bin/dictionary?book=Dictionary&va=know)

know: to perceive directly : have direct cognition of

to have understanding of <importance of knowing oneself>

to recognize the nature of : DISCERN

to recognize as being the same as something previously known

to be acquainted or familiar with

to have experience of

Apply any of those definitions to the word "know" and no, I cannot fathom how you can claim to know a word that you've never heard before.

He can't, read things as they are. I never said I know him. I never said he couldn't choose his own qualities as a god. I don't care. He can't even fathom that just because you know something, you know it without understanding it. What is the point of carrying on with him? He can't fathom small things.

If by "small things" you mean "small minds," I cannot fathom those either.



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Wait...matter isn't material? Since when?

If you wish to talk of the relevance of the debate over matter and atoms, look toward yourself--you brought it up, in the first place.

Metalligod (excerpted):

you 2 are hilarious, i never said matter was immeterial. name one thing that can be touched that does not have atoms. then i will quit. and then tell me what does this have to do with the topic, you jackals.

Metalligod (excerpted):

I was talking of material. Not all the shit you and he say. I even believe I stated that. Every material is made of atoms. Instead of being a assclown you could have approached the situation differently.

see above:

When electron degeneracy pressure can no longer withstand the downwards pull of gravity, the material collapses into a sixth state of matter, known as baryon degenerate matter. In this state of matter, the electrons, which usually orbit the atomic nuclei, have been forced into the nuclei, where they combine with the protons and form neutrons. This means that the entire body is composed of neutrons. These neutrons are still being tugged by gravity but they, too, must obey Pauli's exclusion principle. So, just as the electrons did before them, they exert a pressure which resists further collapse...

Now, here's a dose of that logic that you talk of so very much.

1. Every material is made of atoms.

2. Neutron stars are not made of atoms. therefore

3. Neutrons stars are immaterial.

Then, again, I beg, tell me what's so inconcievable about the idea that a being could have possibly design subatomic particles, and as well design a way for things to be arranged so that certain things happen.

I never claimed that it wasn't possible...but I don't deal in possibility, I deal in probability.

Right you don't make me post and I never said you did. I did not insult you I fuckin begged you bitch. I begged you to tell me things and you got indignant. You are intollerable, and you want to be. You are uncompromising, and inconcievablly antagonistic.

You. Can't. Be. Serious.

Do you want me to compile a list of insults you have directed me? Hell, I only need one of your last five or so posts. O, nevermind, you insulted me in this very paragraph.

O, and please stop retroactively editing your posts, if you don't mind. It makes it far more difficult to reply to them.

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you think with a small mind.

now let me say it this way.

you can't fathom that someone can think of a word that is indeed word. and not know its meaning. have also to have never heard it said.

you like to play these childish game, and it kills me. i told you before, what i tohught of is something i now know that was never true. you understand what i meant when i said the things about fathoming small things before. but you madly insist on playing this...game.

what ever thrill you get out of it, i can never understand you could tell me, i could then recieve what you say you get out of it but i will never understand why.

i hope you come to grips with yourself. you are as Lestat is called. you are the damnedest creature. you are something i can't even form a word for.

why find things to bicker about, u are strange. and i'm tickled by the thought of u.

i give up, you have won. if words aren't used the way you want them to be used you do this 'thing.' i can never KNOW, why you do this. even if you told me, i won't by definitions that you bring KNOW.

you know i did not start with the insults,

u did. think back on the spoon blah blah blah post.

but it ends

I QUIT.

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...so getting back to the subject (as my statement is lost somewhere above in that messy business) I suppose that if I were a god, and I did not already know my origins, I would pursue the discovery of them much the same way I pursue knowledge as I am: observation, conversation, and thought.

quote:Originally posted by Metalligod:

you think with a small mind.

now let me say it this way.

you can't fathom that someone can think of a word that is indeed word. and not know its meaning. have also to have never heard it said.

you like to play these childish game, and it kills me. i told you before, what i tohught of is something i now know that was never true. you understand what i meant when i said the things about fathoming small things before. but you madly insist on playing this...game.

what ever thrill you get out of it, i can never understand you could tell me, i could then recieve what you say you get out of it but i will never understand why.

i hope you come to grips with yourself. you are as Lestat is called. you are the damnedest creature. you are something i can't even form a word for.

why find things to bicker about, u are strange. and i'm tickled by the thought of u.

i give up, you have won. if words aren't used the way you want them to be used you do this 'thing.' i can never KNOW, why you do this. even if you told me, i won't by definitions that you bring KNOW.

you know i did not start with the insults,

u did. think back on the spoon blah blah blah post.

but it ends

I QUIT.

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Ashes and myself are hardly bickering with you. I've been attempting to avoid insults as much as possible, and Ashes has insulted you once in the entire thread. You proceeded to call him a bitch, call him small minded, call him ignorant, call him an imbecile, call him stupid...dear god the list of insults you spewed goes on and on. At first, I wasn't thinking too poorly of you claiming that all matter is comprised of atoms, but after you asked for a correction, and recieved one both from myself and from Ashes, yet continued to say that all matter is composed of atoms, you appeared as if you wanted to be right to such a degree that you avoided the plainly obvious. I'm done in this thread, I attempted to share with you a bit of knowledge on the matter of matter, and I was insulted for doing such. This is bullshit, I refuse to attempt a civilized conversation with one who spews insults at me every time I give the oppurtunity to learn. Fuck this. Fuck this.

quote:Originally posted by Hexadecimal:

[B] Ashes and myself are hardly bickering with you...

Dude you can defend him for centuries, it does not make his insults right. He began this thing, he spat on me, and I vomitted on him.

Then came YOU!

You did not come and present what you had to say in a mature manner, you slung insults, and I shitted on you.

Now had you just come and said what you had to say this wouldn't be such a messy issue. Not only did you come slinging insults, you weren't talking about the subject. Which with all the points you made still, didn't redeem you from your immaturity.

No I for the last time do not believe that all matter is made of atoms. I said only that I believe, it seems like the things that are composed by atoms, seem as though someone made them the way they are so that they could be arranged in different ways to make different things.

I went on to say that atoms weren't the smallest particles that make us and everything else. I went further to say protons and neutrons were made of quarks and that maybe one day we'll figure how to arrange things to create life. And one day we might be able to split even quarks.

Ashes saw flaw in that and when I begged him to tell me what was wrong with this he began a string of posts that had nothing to do with the topic, and also had an indignant tone, and insults.

He saw flaw in the way I used fission and when I had told him I knew full well what fission was and used it for a lack of a better word. He didn't care and began imbecilic posts, as did you.

I haven't the time for you alls childish querrals, I don't care to embark on them but I will make you look and sound stupid every chance I get. In hopes that maybe you'll see you were wrong, and rethink things, so we could then begin civil commune.

You it seems have no desire to be civil so I'll overlook whatever you say until, I come across a post that's not presented in the tone you first used to reply to me.

I hope this clears things up, if not so be it. Just leave me be.

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Oh great adversary Ashes, to know of something does not mean you know all of this thing.

Now lets try this, instead of dismissing someones ideas and views, take them into consideration before just demanding that your view be respected as absolute truth.

Here's a little something I know of neutron stars: They are extemely heavy for their peculiarly smaller size. A teaspoon of such a star weighs like a billion tons or something like that.

On the outside, neutron stars are brittle. They are covered by an iron-rich crust. They are made of protons crammed with electrons, which makes a neutral charge. In addition it also has neutrons.

Are these, or are these not characteristics of a neutron star?

Now lets see, will he play little english language games or answer.

Oh and just for fun, you hate so deeply my posts, well try venturing down to spurious, that will surely rouse some hate in you.

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Metalligod:

No I for the last time do not believe that all matter is made of atoms. I said only that I believe it seems like the things that are composed by atoms, seem as though someone made them the way they are so that they could be arranged in different ways to make different thing.

Okay, now I am going to insult you, you lying sack of shit. Watch this:

excerpt from a post by Metalligod:

...I don?t (sic) mean work energy (E=MC2), (sic) which is the energy you might want me to refer to. I mean it as in, (sic) what scientist (sic) say. Everything is made of energy, well if that is so, and everyone (sic) is made of atoms, then atoms are energy...

excerpt from a post by Metalligod:

...Issue number 2. So the fuck what, (sic) about the neutron star. It does not matter WHAT atoms make it up. We know that everything is indeed comprised of atoms, the fact that it once had, hydrogen (hmmm, an atom)...Everything is made of atoms, except the subatomic particles themselves...

...You come off even dumber than before, you now tell me to look into neutron stars. There is no need. The fact that it burns is proof of atoms in its composition. Combustibles are chemicals-chemicals come from elements- elements are atoms...

...I never stated that matter was energy. Those are your own words, and your own understanding of things. I said that everything, meaning all material, is comprised of atoms. This means matter is not energy, but is made of energy. Now where you get ‘your’ understandings, I don’t know, nor (sic) care...

excerpt from a post by Metalligod:

I was talking of material. Not all the shit you and he say. I even believe I stated that. Every material is made of atoms. Instead of being a (sic) assclown you could have approached the situation differently...

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There. You did say that you believe all matter is composed of atoms. You are wrong. Fucking admit already, so we can all go on with our lives.

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Metalligod:

On the outside, neutron stars are brittle. They are covered by an iron-rich crust. They are made of protons crammed with electrons, which makes a neutral charge. In addition it also has neutrons.

Back. Your. Shit. Up.

How fucking hard is that? O, yeah. You can't. You have no sources, you're just pulling shit out of your ass.

You're finally catching on, you've got the idea of the star's formation. But I want to know where you come up with this brittle, iron-rich crust idea.

[This message has been edited by ashesofzen (edited 04-10-2004).]

Ok you confusing peaice of shit!!

Matter- the substance of which a physical object is composed.

I believe matter is made up of energy with good reason.

I was so razzle dazzled by you and your boyfriend double teaming me I used the wrong word, so what!

And also so you stupid piece of siht1 I used the text you quoted, as in the event of. I recall saying:I mean it as in what scientist say. Everything is made of energy, well if that is so, and everyone (sic) is made of atoms, then atoms are energy...

By definition, the things you love to use so often, I was correct. Everything is made of atoms besides the subatomic particles them selfeves and different energies.

Now lets take a look at energy.

Energy-4 : usable power (as heat or electricity); also : the resources for producing such power

That would mean an atom, would be considered energy. hmmm. Is Ashes wrong about something again? No he's always right(he believes it anyway) Material things are made of atoms.

And atoms are anyway, a proton, or proton neutron combo, surrounded by an electron or electrons. This mean that neutron stars have atoms them doesn't it.

There you did say all that was wrong, despite the given truth. Go ahead and admit it you were wrong!

www.firstscience.com (http://www.firstscience.com)

To be more specific: http://www.firstscience.com/site/articles/neutron.asp

There I've backed my shit up bitch. Now prove it false. I've had my colon cleansed so there's just no shit to pull out sorry.

I came up with the idea when my brother and I were talking about it and he anounced was going to be working for NASA.

Any more info needed, o beligerent jackass?

Seemed a little Hostile in the last post, what's the matter, lies making you look stupid? Truth catching you in its claws, making you realize that you can indeed and much of the time be wrong.

It funny how polite to you I was in the last post, yet you still remain an ass. Puzzling really.



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Well my melatonins kickin in. I'll come back tomorrow to laugh at your B.S. Sleep tight young'n.

Don't let the truth, crush, because it goes against what you want to be right.

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I give up. Fuck off. I'm sick of your negativity, the stupid unwillingness to admit a mistake, the simple fact that you must, in some form or another, insult me with every post you make.

You are right, your source says that neutron stars have such a covering.

However, just because one of your post doesn't consist of you swearing at me every other word does not make you civil.

I even tried to bring this back on subject. Fuck it, this goddamn train is so derailed.

quote:Actually, anything is possible. Probably is another story.

Then it is impossible for their to be something that is not possible...

Ah, but that's just semantics. Every answer has a paradoxical correct one. Where have you been anyways? I always loved how you pointed out the paradox behind absolutely everything.

Posting in Politics mainly, but I think I'll start posting here again. See?

quote:Originally posted by ashesofzen:

I give up. Fuck off. I'm sick of your negativity, the stupid unwillingness to admit a mistake, the simple fact that you must, in some form or another, insult me with every post you make.

You are right, your source says that neutron stars have such a covering.

However, just because one of your post doesn't consist of you swearing at me every other word does not make you civil.

I even tried to bring this back on subject. Fuck it, this goddamn train is so derailed.



Grow up and stop your bitching!

From the very begining, I've tried to keep everything CIVIL. But you did not want to do this, so I did things your way.

It burns you that I've proven you wrong again. It burns you that I am right in saying you were/are a beligerent asshole, despite all the so called points you brought up.

You started the arguement and was wrong, proven so many times. It should also eat at you, that you've started a stupid arguement about neutron sars. When not only are they made of atoms, but they are also made of indivisual protons, neutrons, and electrons.

A freakin atom is made of what?

Atom= protons, neutrons, electrons(excluding hydrogen)

So this means that the other parts of a neutron star that aren't made of atoms, are made of subatomic particles. Which means it is still made of the same thing we are.

Now besides the fission issue, what have a said that was false? Nothing, go find someone else to argue with.

To add to your sheer pathetic ness, you think your so smart, but then you go and say, neutron stars aren't made of matter.

Should I quote this before you change it or no?

Your dumber than shit. Every time I've proved you wrong you did nothing but bitch and moan. Just die. It's sad to have you deteriorate in my mind like this, you've not made a tangible arguement yet. Go do some of that reading you suggested I do, wannabe Einstein.

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quote:Originally posted by Rust:

Then it is impossible for their to be something that is not possible...

Thank God I'm not the only one who saw flaw in this. I bet his boyfriend Hex doesn't come and textually attack you.

quote:Originally posted by Hexadecimal:

Ah, but that's just semantics. Every answer has a paradoxical correct one. Where have you been anyways? I always loved how you pointed out the paradox behind absolutely everything.

So then your previous statement that everything is possible, is not true.

This one is surely contradictory to the one you made earlier.

You know, the-everything is possible, one.

Is it possible to split an atom in half, by sawing a table in half? No. That means it is an impossibility. Therefore, everything is not possible.

And to Ashes, possibility and probability are one in the same.

Metalligod, please qoute Ashes saying that neutron stars are not made of matter. I fucking dare you to. You fucking retard. Not once did either of us say it is not made of matter, we were argueing they ARE matter, despite them being masses of fucking neutrons, not atoms; they only contain electrons and protons in the formation stage, which are absent once the neutron star is done forming...meaning it's just fucking neutrons, hence the name, NEUTRON STAR.

You are the one being beligerant, you are the one playing childish games; both of us had tried sharing a bit of knowledge with you; not all matter is (sub)atomic, is that so fucking hard to understand? I say congratulations on showing evidence of the iron crust, and Ashes admitted you were right on that point...you haven't yet once conceded a point you were wrong on when you so clearly were. You keep dancing around saying you used the wrong words, bullshit. You just have no fucking clue what the hell you are talking about. If you really were just using the wrong words, use these two websites to find better, more suitable words: dictionary.com and thesaurus.com. They're fucking lifesavers if you're unsure of what words to use.

Just a short list of shit you were wrong about:

1. Not all matter is subatomic or atomic

2. Neutron stars are not atomic except for their crust

3. You used fission incorrectly

4. Nobody in their right mind defines energy as atoms

5. The first law of thermodynamics has not yet been violated by humans: nuclear reactions still do not modify the total entropy of a system as it just convert energy from one form to another.

6. Plasma is not atomic

7. Probable and possible are completely different. Probable means it is likely to happen...scientific laws deal with probability and ignore the 'possible'. Anything, absolutely anything, is possible, hence why science ignores the possible as there's just too much random shit that is 'possible'. It's possible my dick is the size of a pyramid, but that is highly unprobable.

8. There is no difference between machine energy and material energy: they're both measured in calories, and are both energy that can be transformed into any phase of energy.

9. You insulted Ashes first; up until you called him a foul creature and a bitch, childish and stupid, dull and dumb, he was being blunt, but did not insult you once, making you a hypocrit.

10. You criticized him for pointing out several of your errors after you asked him to point out what was false or erroneous; making you a severe violator of entrapment.

11. You further insulted Ashes with another bitch comment, engaged in mysoginistic insults by comparing him to a "broad" to qoute you. And to top off your insulting post, you accuse him of being uncivil when he had not once insulted you yet.

12. You then accused me of insulting you instead of pointing out your false statements...I did insult you, but I also pointing out your false statements yet you completely ignored that. This makes me find you to be an ignoramus with low reading comprehension.

13. Once again: Neutron stars do not contain atoms, they are fucking neutron masses with an atomic crust, the star itself is absent of atoms.

14. You did absolutely nothing to avoid bickering. You flew into this shit guns blazing while Ashes was trying to point out a couple flaws in your statements, presumable so you could fix your statements. After you had proceeded to insult him, I insulted you because it was quite obvious that you were being a hypocritical twat.

15. Neither of us were indignant; Ashes pointed out several flaws of your statement and got bitched at for it, I did the same, and got bitched at for it. You are too damned centered on being right.

16. By your stream of logic, you essentially did say that some forms of matter are immaterial. Neutron stars, photons, electricity...material things that are not atomic. One of which isn't even subatomic.

You apparently don't understand what a paradox is. A paradox is something that is both true and false at the same time. 'All blanket statements are false' is a paradoxical statement, false but true nonetheless. 'All things are possible' is a paradox as well, being as everything is possible, but nothing (the absence of everything) is impossible. 'Nothing is impossible' being a paradox in itself due to the ambiguity of nothing. My statement that everything is possible IS true, but it is also false, depending on your point of view.

It IS possible to saw an atom in half by sawing a table in half. The probability of it happening though is something I wouldn't bet on though. That means it is a possibility but an improbability. They are not the same thing.

quote:Originally posted by Metalligod:

So then your previous statement that everything is possible, is not true.

This one is surely contradictory to the one you made earlier.

You know, the-everything is possible, one.

Is it possible to split an atom in half, by sawing a table in half? No. That means it is an impossibility. Therefore, everything is not possible.

And to Ashes, possibility and probability are one in the same.

quote:So then your previous statement that everything is possible, is not true.

This one is surely contradictory to the one you made earlier.

You know, the-everything is possible, one.

Is it possible to split an atom in half, by sawing a table in half? No. That means it is an impossibility. Therefore, everything is not possible.

And to Ashes, possibility and probability are one in the same.



Actually you're wrong. What I said proved that he could not say that ‘nothing is impossible’ because that automatically creates an impossibility. That does not mean that other things are impossibilities.

That you do not split an atom by sawing a table does not mean it cannot happen, it just means it didn't happen, or hasn't happened. You cannot prove that something is impossible by it not happening. Therefore logically you assume that it can happen unless proven otherwise.



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Exactly why, as an atheist, I don't believe a God exists. In fact, I believe no god exists...though there is the possibility of a god existing, I find it so improbable that it has no bearing on me.

Yes maam,

quote:1. Every material is made of atoms.

2. Neutron stars are not made of atoms. therefore

3. Neutrons stars are immaterial.

despite them being masses of fucking neutrons, not atoms;

Ok Faggot Bitch! Just give up, you were wrong, and the above statement is not true. I've already disproven it.



they only contain electrons and protons in the formation stage, which are absent once the neutron star is done forming...



Just not true, they have protons and electrons the whole time. The electron-proton combos make a NEUTRAL charge. They also have neutrons themselves, and again an iron crust. If I'm not mistaken isn't Iron an element? But since your so smart you know all of this already, eh? Not. Fuckin drama queen!

You are the one being beligerant, you are the one playing childish games;

Besides after getting foul statements from you and Ashes I didn't make a post to either one of you that was derogatory. Now Show me some PROOF, of your accusations. Prove that I began these childish games, prove I was the first to be beligerent. Prove away bitch!

both of us had tried sharing a bit of knowledge with you; not all matter is (sub)atomic,

False, as the person who typed it. I've never said that everything was made of subatomic particles. I said only that all material things, things that can be touched were made of atoms, and or subatomic particles. Prove otherwise. And tell one type of thing that can be touched that it not made with, electrons, protons, or neutrons. Plz tell me.

What point besides the fission one, what point was false. I've pointed out several times why I said fission, so bitch learn to read thoroughly. Are protons, and neutrons not made of quarks? Prove that they're not and I'll gladly admit it. Prove my staements false.

You keep dancing around saying you used the wrong words, bullshit. You just have no fucking clue what the hell you are talking about.

How so if I'm right? What things did I not have a clue on? Your just a ranting bitch. Go bark at someone else. I used only one word wrong, singular not plural, so show these WORDS you speak of.

Matter-2 a : the substance of which a physical object is composed b : material substance that occupies space, has mass, and is composed predominantly of atoms consisting of protons, neutrons, and electrons, that constitutes the observable universe, and that is interconvertible with energy.

Come again, you said all matter is not atomic or subatomic. What matter have you been studying, cause I've never heard of it.

Now plz tell what parts, besides the crust and the fluids of a nuetron star is atomic.

And bitch how many times do I have to say I used fission incorrectly? Why do you dwel on that so much?

Now lets take a look at:

Energy-4 : usable power (as heat or electricity); also : the resources for producing such power

Now:Atoms-4 : the atom considered as a source of vast potential energy

And just in case:Resource-1 a : a source of supply.

So it's true that something that generates or is a source of energy, is too considered energy. Wow, so this means you've lied again.

Now lets look at: Destroy-2 a : to put out of existence.

Now it's my understanding that if you rip an atom apart, it is then destroyed. The pieces that made it aren't destroyed, but they are no longer pieced to make the thing that once was. Thus destroying-by definition-energy.

When did I say plasma was not atomic. Bitch you makin stuff up now. And anyway there is more than one type of plasma!

There is blood plasma. And a group of charged particles. Atoms are all neutrally CHARGED, this I know. So when was it that I said otherwise. Lying fuckin cunt.

And whether you believe it to be true or not, probability and possibility are synonymous.

Now on this I won't be nasty. I realize that I may have made ppl think I meant something else. To be quite frank, I'm a little confused on this one. I realize that there are diff. types of energy, that they are all the same thing. Just diff variations. Aren't there diff. kinds? Light, energy, heat ,sound, nuclear, etc.

I really don't know how to explain what I meant. Ok all energies are the same, but can be expressed differently, by this I mean light, sound, etc. What I was saying is atoms are as well a form of energy.

Now as I recall the tone of Ashes post to me was very indignant. He said something about spoon feeding. And I went off on him, rightfully so. I wasted all that time beggy him to tell me things the way their supposed to be. Meaning if he says I'm wrong then just prove it.

He made it as though I knew nothing of physics, I thought the whole damned post was wrong. But it seems he meant onlt the fission. Had he just told me that my idea of fission was wrong then there we be no arguement. Instead he made a post with a 'stuck-up' tone.

Now you can try and be his superman all day, i really don't give a damn. But get your fuckin facts straight!

You claim I critisized him for pointing out errors, just not true. Now as I recall, other than the fission thing, I proved what he said was false to be true. Saying I accussed him of being uncivil, without him first insulting me. Jus not true. Sense you believe otherwise, prove it bitch!

Now bitch I would definately love for you to show a post that I've made without you first insulting me. I believe in your very first or second post you began the insults. Be4real fag. You still claiming neutron stars don't have atoms, that proves your a dumb fuckin bitch.

I talk about me and then still dare to say, neutron stars are made of neutrons only, insanely laughable. It's funny that I can prove something and still have it called false, purely hilarious. Yo go ass claim that I didn't do nothing, which is true, I did something to prevent bickering.

Do you wanna go with him, if you don't already? I'm being serious. I hope you come to grips, I hope one day you'll be able to learn instead of teach false things. Such as YOUR version of the neutron star. You back your things with lies, it sad really. I said some forms of matter arent material? Just Cobain you useless self.

Ok, now here's a game I will start, count how many times I called you a bitch. Bitch!

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quote:Originally posted by Hexadecimal:

You apparently don't understand what a paradox is. A paradox is something that is both true and false at the same time. 'All blanket statements are false' is a paradoxical statement, false but true nonetheless. 'All things are possible' is a paradox as well, being as everything is possible, but nothing (the absence of everything) is impossible. 'Nothing is impossible' being a paradox in itself due to the ambiguity of nothing. My statement that everything is possible IS true, but it is also false, depending on your point of view.

It IS possible to saw an atom in half by sawing a table in half. The probability of it happening though is something I wouldn't bet on though. That means it is a possibility but an improbability. They are not the same thing.

WOW, it seems like a totally diff. person typed this. I now understand. I didn't know the meaning of the word paradoxes, never really cared to know what the word meant.

However I do now, and it is a nice piece of knowledge to own in myself.



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quote:Originally posted by Rust:

Actually you're wrong. What I said proved that he could not say that ‘nothing is impossible’ because that automatically creates an impossibility. That does not mean that other things are impossibilities.

That you do not split an atom by sawing a table does not mean it cannot happen, it just means it didn't happen, or hasn't happened. You cannot prove that something is impossible by it not happening. Therefore logically you assume that it can happen unless proven otherwise.



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Actually what I said about the atom spliting is true. Do to insufficient energy, an atom cannot be split by sawing a table in half.

I understood what you were describing in your first paragraph. He used to negatives which made his statement false.

If 'nothing' is impossible, then that is an impossibility.

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Metalligod, if you're going to get your panties in a bundle about me "remixing" your posts, please don't fucking quote me out of context.

quote:Actually what I said about the atom spliting is true. Do to insufficient energy, an atom cannot be split by sawing a table in half.

No that is not true. Even if you or modern Science says that their would not be suficient energy, the possibility of it happening is still there. Again, just because it has not happened does not mean it cannot happen.

quote:Originally posted by ashesofzen:

Metalligod, if you're going to get your panties in a bundle about me "remixing" your posts, please don't fucking quote me out of context.

Yes Master, Sir.

Oh and Rust, I catch your drift.

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Metalligod, you're a dick.

Just thought I'd point that out, I'll be on my way now.

From an outside perpective I think you should all kiss and make up.

Lalalala, running though a field of flowers.

I did write something about this before it descended in to head-butting. But my browser fucked up and it was lost, I'll see if I can recreate it.

God escapes defintion because it is not a thing, it/he/she has no qualities.

But it is conversely everything.

When you can see both of these, you can know, I do not.

They say that to do this you have to let go of your self, your ego. That is perhaps where your getting stuck. Along with the rest of us.

They're maybe many Gods, but only one true God. Many manifestations, one unmanifested.

It doesn't matter what God you worship, or what personality, if you chose to worship a personal God at all. I would say that it matters in the sense that one maybe closer, or may more readly pass you onto the true God, but that maybe wrong.

Is it that God has no qualities or is it that these quailities are discriptionless?

There is something there, because people have spoken about it, even if at the same time say something it unspeakable or unknowable.

Yogic texts say that the object of meditation, the meditation and the meditator are all one, or when you become enlightened you truly see this oness, like redzed meantioned about everything being composed of one basic energy. To be honest I don't understand this, who is looking once this is happening? It's all going around in a cirlce.

They say to know God you have to become God.

I like a part from one of Pauls leters, Corinthians I think, "Now I know in part, but when the perfect comes the part passes away....I shall know in full" a coruption, but I think that is basicly it.

The part passing away is the ego, sometime that is completely crippling for a time, extreme fear, which you can read about in the Bagavad Gita.

When you become one with God, is a little wrong because YOU are not there, there is only God. God IS truth, absolute.

I'm afraid this is the only place you can hope to find an answer, at least to my understanding.

God is not a thing, no need to create it.

Kind of stops you in your tracks doesn't it. Settle your mind or you won't be able to see it. If you do it will be just like your slipping backwards into sleep, the problems only occur when there is something occuring.

Too add another quote from Lao Tzu:

With but a small understanding

One may follow the Way like a main road,

Fearing only to leave it;

Following a main road is easy,

Yet people delight in difficult paths.

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Metalligod, you're a dick.

Just thought I'd point that out, I'll be on my way now.

Cratian, you suck dick just thought I'd point that out. And your father is your brother, just thought I'd let you know.

Evolve thanx for bring your views into the discussion. I can look into your thought, meanting what you type) and see things as possible things that have or can happen. Ashes and Hex find it unconcievable that a being could have made us.

They've found reasons to argue points on which I've proven them wrong, but yet they get mad if you don't see things their way. Even though you've proven it false.

Thanks for being an open person and not a maddening, mal-informed indivisual who thinks your supposed to think like them.

I just actually read this post, rather than scanning it. Felt I had to reply (call me an old-hat stubborn ass, if you will).

This is how Metalligod quoted me:

1. Every material is made of atoms.

2. Neutron stars are not made of atoms. therefore

3. Neutrons stars are immaterial.

Here is the context (shortened for brevity, can be found mid-previous page):

Metalligod (excerpted):

...i never said matter was immeterial. name one thing that can be touched that does not have atoms...

Metalligod (excerpted):

I was talking of material. Not all the shit you and he say. I even believe I stated that. Every material is made of atoms...

take from a website (link on previous page):

...In this state of matter, the electrons, which usually orbit the atomic nuclei, have been forced into the nuclei, where they combine with the protons and form neutrons. This means that the entire body is composed of neutrons...

And finally, I stated:

ashesofzen (excerpted):

...1. Every material is made of atoms.

2. Neutron stars are not made of atoms. therefore

3. Neutrons stars are immaterial.

Now, I thought it was quite apparent that i was taking factual information and statements from Metalligod, and applying basic logic, to arrive at this result. Therefore, Metalligod, when you said this:

Ok Faggot Bitch! Just give up, you were wrong, and the above statement is not true. I've already disproven it.

You were actually referring to yourself. Which is to say that you, yourself, have disproven...yourself!

Moral of the story?

Don't fucking misquote me, okay? Especially when you bitch about me doing it to you (and I take great care to not alter any quotation's context).

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Now, hopefully, we can let this dog rest, after this. If I hadn't felt that my honor was impinged upon, I wouldn't have even bothered.

quote:Originally posted by ashesofzen:

I just actually read this post, rather than scanning it. Felt I had to reply (call me an old-hat stubborn ass, if you will).

This is how Metalligod quoted me:

1. Every material is made of atoms.

2. Neutron stars are not made of atoms. therefore

3. Neutrons stars are immaterial.

Here is the context (shortened for brevity, can be found mid-previous page):

Metalligod (excerpted):

...i never said matter was immeterial. name one thing that can be touched that does not have atoms...

Metalligod (excerpted):

I was talking of material. Not all the shit you and he say. I even believe I stated that. Every material is made of atoms...

take from a website (link on previous page):

...In this state of matter, the electrons, which usually orbit the atomic nuclei, have been forced into the nuclei, where they combine with the protons and form neutrons. This means that the entire body is composed of neutrons...

And finally, I stated:

ashesofzen (excerpted):

...1. Every material is made of atoms.

2. Neutron stars are not made of atoms. therefore

3. Neutrons stars are immaterial.

Now, I thought it was quite apparent that i was taking factual information and statements from Metalligod, and applying basic logic, to arrive at this result. Therefore, Metalligod, when you said this:

Ok Faggot Bitch! Just give up, you were wrong, and the above statement is not true. I've already disproven it.

You were actually referring to yourself. Which is to say that you, yourself, have disproven...yourself!

Moral of the story?

Don't fucking misquote me, okay? Especially when you bitch about me doing it to you (and I take great care to not alter any quotation's context).

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Now, hopefully, we can let this dog rest, after this. If I hadn't felt that my honor was impinged upon, I wouldn't have even bothered.

Ok Faggot Bitch! Just give up, you were wrong, and the above statement is not true. I've already disproven it.<<<<No bitch that was meant for you!

I genuinly, honestly did not know I misquoted you. You could have just brought it to my attention. However I was not wrong about neutron stars, they said the BODY DOES NOT HAVE ATOMS.

I never claimed otherwise you stupid piece of shit. I said only that the surface was not. If you know science then you'know that the surface is not included nor called the body. Now, are neutron stars not coated with an iron-rich SURFACE? Or not?



Surface-1 a : of, located on, or designed for use at the surface of something b : situated, transported, or employed on the surface of the earth

Body-3 a : a mass of matter distinct from other masses<a celestial body>

c : compactness or firmness of texture



I wouldn't call you an old-hat. An ignorant old bitch suites you better.

God is eternal which means he will always be there and has always been there. We will never find him in this dimension because he does not exist in time nor space.

I think nothing just clicked and created everything in the bigbang that made the universe.

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quote:Originally posted by thedarkmaster:

I think nothing just clicked and created everything in the bigbang that made the universe.



So then do you believe that it is very likely that some being made the things that were in the bigbang, and or caused it to go off?

Metalligod:

...However I was not wrong about neutron stars, they said the BODY DOES NOT HAVE ATOMS.

I never claimed otherwise you stupid piece of shit. I said only that the surface was not.

So, then, you're willing to admit that the body of a neutron star is not composed of atoms?

And you're willing to admit that you were wrong in claiming that all matter was composed of atoms, that not "every material is made of atoms?"

thedarkmaster:

I think nothing just clicked and created everything in the bigbang that made the universe.

How does nothing do anything?

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So, then, you're willing to admit that the body of a neutron star is not composed of atoms? Yes dude I never said otherwise. Why is that hard to understand?

And you're willing to admit that you were wrong in claiming that all matter was composed of atoms, that not "every material is made of atoms?"

Now why bitch about something and then do it? I believe somewhere I said the various things: "Every material is made of atoms." "Name one thing that can be touched that isn't made of atoms or the subatomic particles that make them up" "Except the subatomic particles themselves".

So, NO, not willing to admit, cause I said the various thngs, which indicates that I knew that already. I just have bad wording problems. I wasn't wrong.

And your right, not everymaterial is made of atoms.

How does nothing do anything? Great question!

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Since god created the the whole universe then is he not the creator of time also?

If so then he does not have to follow the rules of time.So the concept of before(who was there before god and who created him)does not apply to him.

Can time honestly be said to have been "created?" Isn't time merely a human viewpoint on the simple cause/effect relation of the universe?

Himan beings have a limited mind therefore we cannot begin to comprehend that that is unlimited.Did you ever try and think of eternity or forever...just the thought of forever makes me scared, its just too big to grasp.



We can only partially comprehend the notion of God's existence. To do so, we must use human concepts to speak of God: "without beginning or end"; "eternal"; "infinite", etc. The Bible says that He has always existed: " . . . even from everlasting to everlasting, thou art God" (Psalm 90:2). And, "Your throne is established from of old; Thou art from everlasting" (Psalm 93:2). Quite simply, God has no beginning and no end. So, where did God come from? He didn't. He always was.

To us, the notion of time is linear. One second follows the next, one minute is after another. We get older, not younger and we cannot repeat the minutes that have passed us by. We have all seen the time lines on charts: early time is on the left and later time is on the right. We see nations, people's lives, and plans mapped out on straight lines from left to right. We see a beginning and an end. But God is "beyond the chart." He has no beginning or end. He simply has always been.

Also, physics has shown that time is a property that is the result of the existence of matter. Time exists when matter exists. Time has even been called the fourth dimension. But God is not matter. In fact, God created matter. He created the universe. So, time began when God created the universe. Before that, God was simply existing and time had no meaning (except conceptually), no relation to Him. Therefore, to ask where God came from is to ask a question that cannot really be applied to God in the first place. Because time has no meaning with God in relation to who He is, eternity is also not something that can be absolutely related to God. God is even beyond eternity.

Eternity is a term that we finite creatures use to express the concept of something that has no end -- and/or no beginning. Since God has no beginning or end, He has no beginning. This is because He is outside of time.



[This message has been edited by AerosmithRocks (edited 04-12-2004).]

quote:Originally posted by ashesofzen:

Can time honestly be said to have been "created?" Isn't time merely a human viewpoint on the simple cause/effect relation of the universe?

I agree with Ashes on this one(Let me go see if it's raining fire!), it's a point I've often brought up.

Time is completely a concept of man.

It cracks me up how religious idiots try and tell ppl when the end of time will come.

How they get all the religious community all roused up, and how they say when God will do this and that.

If God is real and there is a day when time will end, then I'm quite sure God is on His own schedule, and not mans.

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