I seem to be in a bit of a dilema. One of my friends is bisexual (tis a girl), and I also got this dude who wants to fight me. If ya'll want more details, feel free to ask. I wanna convince the girl that being bisexual is wrong, but I also wanna find out what causes bisexuality. I also want to know what to do about the fight. Any help?

I'm an atheist, but I'll give you some tips on the fight: A lot of people argue for pacifism, but you need to ask yourself whether you think defense is justified or not. If so, wait for them to take the first swing then go all out, and do not hold back. Kicking him in the junk is fair game if he started the fight.

On the bisexual friend: Why do you think bisexuality is wrong if you don't even know what causes it?

Well, it all goes back to religion: it says in the Bible that, and I'm paraphrasing, sleeping with a man as one sleeps with a woman is detestable. Now, if that goes for women too, probably. I was talking to her about that, and she said "God probably likes lesbo action...shit, I'm going to hell for saying that." She's Catholic, but I, personally, don't like the Catholic Church (too much listening to one man and not enough personal decision making) which is why Protestant is for me http://www.totse.com/bbs/wink.gif (http://www.totse.com/bbs/wink.gif). Anyway, I personally feel that bisexuality and homosexuality are caused as an unconscious rebelion against God, although I could be wrong http://www.totse.com/bbs/confused.gif (http://www.totse.com/bbs/confused.gif) Anyway, any help is appreciated.

--The Student

A good analysis of the Bible and its condemnation of homosexuality (http://www.awitness.org/journal/bible_homosexuality.html)

why are you letting your opinions be fed to you by a book written by corrupt popes and priests? what are your opinions on bisexuality, yours, not the bibles?

Saliva, what popes and prists wrote the bible? I'd like to know.

As for Discipulus, it's none of your business judging someone's lifestyle who isn't in your church family. Let God judge, it's not your job. That being said, you should study homosexuality and bisexuality, although i don't think anyone knows for sure what causes them. If you want to talk to people about these things, go for it, but if you can't do that without keeping a loving additude, you should walk away. Are you without sin to judge and all that...

thebishop

sorry if it sounds like im coming down on you, I obviously dont know the whole situation.

I know, I know! Stone her, like in the good ole' days.

heh @ the stoning. TheBishop-- I'm extremely good friends with her and I care a lot about her. That's why I care what happens to her.

ok i hang out with priests and people becoming priests and none of htem have really given me a good explanation why someone cant be gay. im not(gay) its just one of the few subjects that they cant convince me on. so i just wanna know why you think homosexuality or bisexuality is wrong? does it really matter?

If homos went against god, god would never allow them to exist, there is nothing you can do in this world that is against god. There is that which is you and that which is not. I personally am hetero, I love the female body, that's my preference, does that make me? NO, it is merely a refection of a state of being I choose for myself. Homos are as far as I've seen, incredibly shallow people. They're like the shallow trophy wives that most rich people have, only concerned with appearance, often obessed with their own appearance to the point that they only want their own appearance for any sort of gratification.

Sounds like you've only met homosexual men; lesbians are usually just the opposite of what you described.

quote:Originally posted by Discipulus:

heh @ the stoning. TheBishop-- I'm extremely good friends with her and I care a lot about her. That's why I care what happens to her.

If you care about her then you should want her to be happy. You have no right to "convince her that bisexuality is wrong". Do you want her to lie to herself for the rest of her life and convince herself she's not bi when she really is? If your religion forces you to choose between your friends and God, it's time to reconsider your values.

How do you feel about it? Do you believe it's wrong, and why? (pretend the Bible doesn't exist for a second and tell me your feelings) You can never be friends with someone who doesn't share your morals. Would you be friends with someone who believes it's OK to murder people?

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If you care about her then you should want her to be happy. You have no right to "convince her that bisexuality is wrong". Do you want her to lie to herself for the rest of her life and convince herself she's not bi when she really is? If your religion forces you to choose between your friends and God, it's time to reconsider your values.

How do you feel about it? Do you believe it's wrong, and why? (pretend the Bible doesn't exist for a second and tell me your feelings) You can never be friends with someone who doesn't share your morals. Would you be friends with someone who believes it's OK to murder people?

Personally, and I don't know if it's just me or not, but I judge other guys. I mean, most of the times I just say they're aiight, but sometimes I actually say "Oh, they look pretty good." But I honestly don't believe I could do anything with another dude, but I've never been in the situation. As far as her goes, yea, I care about her, and I do want her to be happy, but if that means that she's going to hell, then I'm gonna do as much as possible to help prevent that from happening. To what extent, I can't say, because I honestly don't know. If the Devil appeared before me and made me a deal that she would go to heaven, but in return I would have to give him my soul, I honestly don't know what my answer would be. Would Christ let one of his followers do that? And also, to ilbatardoh, God lets things exist that are against him, it's the whole 'freewill' thing. He can tell us what He wants us to do, but that doesn't mean we have to do it. He's just like any other parent, He can offer advice and tell us what He wants, but that doesn't me we have to take it. He loves us unconditionally, but that doesn't mean He agrees with what we do. And sinning, when you know your sinning, and NOT asking forgiveness, is sorta like being disowned http://www.totse.com/bbs/frown.gif (http://www.totse.com/bbs/frown.gif). Best way I know to describe it anyway. But back to JMcSmoky, personally, I don't see anything wrong with bisexuality, and I do. Part of me says, hey, what's wrong with a lil' bit of girl on girl action? (What about the guys...) and the other part says Yea, but WWJD (what would Jesus do)? I'm so confused!!!

One word of advice about the girl: THREESOME!

In case you haven't noticed already, I CARE about her. I would even go as far as to say that I love her (although, yes, I admit, it's hard to love anyone when you know that they don't love you, but that is beside the point). That's what I hate about most guys (and yes, for the record, I am a guy) is that all they think about is sex. I'm not a typical guy (not sure if that's a good thing or a bad thing...). I want advice on what to do. And no, she wouldn't dig a threesome cuz she ain't doing anything sexual with anybody till she's in college.

What to do?

Nothing. She's probably been through all of this before on her own.

At the very most tell her what you think about bisexuals. Trying to get her to see the error of her ways is only going to drive a wedge between you.

I often wonder if she likes me but doesn't wanna admit it, or is too afraid of getting hurt to admit it...

Do you love her in a good'ol christian sisterly way or is it something else?

I honestly don't know. It's hard to explain my feelings of her, but I do know that I wanna go out with her...

Bi sexuality is a perfectly normal human trait degrees of it have increased bonding between males and females in tribal groups.

In females it helps in child rearing and tribal bonding If a child has several "mother" women who care for them it has a better chance of survival and while men are off on hunting trips Bi-sexuality also keeps women from straying to other groups or clans and mating with them.

In males warriors or hunters with close bonds other work better as a group so are more successful hence the traits are passed on to others.

It is also a way of showing respect to the tribal leader either male or female the stronger the tribe the better off every one is this is one reason why christianity is so down on it.

It is nothing to be afraid or frightened about talk to her about what it means to her and what she wants to do. There is nothing to cure or change just accept and love. ( There is always the threesome thing too!!)

About the fight, Why does he want to fight you?

Is he bigger smaller or the same size and strength?

same age? how old?

quote:Originally posted by Mad dog:

About the fight, Why does he want to fight you?

Is he bigger smaller or the same size and strength?

same age? how old?

None of those attributes matter. If the guy has a dick, you can win in a single hit.

Well, he's 16 and I'm not entirely sure why he wants a fight. I think he was PMS'ing (joke?) that day. He's a bit taller than me, he weighs about 30 lbs under me, and he seems kinda pissed at me. I don't think it amounts to anything near the loath that I have for him, so I personally think I would win. One of my best buds is gonna be there to get my back, but one of his friends thinks he won't do anything in public. But I honestly don't know, if he hates me anywhere near as much as I hate him, he will. I, personally, think he looks like a pussy, and usually I overestimate my opponents. Hell, he's threatened me 3x (btw, he lives like 1hr away) with the whole "I can drive and I'll come up there" attitude. He's never really said what he would DO when he got up here, but it was pretty much a given that he was gonna TRY to woop my ass. I don't wanna get too big of an ego on me, but last time I got into a fight (a month ago), I thought the dude was gonna woop my ass but turned out to be too much of a pussy to try and even hit me, although he tried to choke me a few times.

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-- The Student

You want to lecture a girl about her sexual preferences? Sorry, but it's extremely hypocritical of you to lecture (or want to do it)) somebody because of what the bible thinks and then all of a sudden don't practice it yourself.

Remember the phrase "turn the other cheek"? Well that would apply to this fight.

too true! But, I personally think I'm gonna let her be herself, for she knows herself better than I know her and I can't do anything about it. If it was meant to be between us, it will.

nowhere in the bible does it directly say homosexuality is wrong. nor bisexuality. people warp and twist the bible into saying what they WANT it to say, uncluding that being gay is bad.

Edit: Also if your her friend you will RESPECT her for her choice, not try to tell her its wrong.

[This message has been edited by PsychoticMyth (edited 04-22-2004).]

IN the fight screw the guy over it says in the bible That Jesus came with a fiery sword .

seems like a good example .

rember what would jesus do ...

smite him with a big firey sword

how many times should we forgive, I have forgiven him 7 times"? Peter asked Jesus

Jesus reply "7 times 7". if you are a Christian then turn the other cheek and walk away. if you want to avoid violence that achieves nothing explain to him "Make your first hit a good one because if I do get up I'm not stopping till your in hospital"

Most people especially males will pull back from doing real harm in a fight, if you are going to fight as a last resort then go for it. If you want a fight then fight. but make sure it is self defense not attack both are criminal offenses.

Have you seen the knife fight scene in "Butch Cassidy and the Sundance Kid" ?

quote:Originally posted by PsychoticMyth:

nowhere in the bible does it directly say homosexuality is wrong. nor bisexuality. people warp and twist the bible into saying what they WANT it to say, uncluding that being gay is bad.

Edit: Also if your her friend you will RESPECT her for her choice, not try to tell her its wrong.

[This message has been edited by PsychoticMyth (edited 04-22-2004).]

You obviously dont read the bible http://www.totse.com/bbs/biggrin.gif (http://www.totse.com/bbs/biggrin.gif)

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<LI>Leviticus 18:22

22 “‘And you must not lie down with a male the same as you lie down with a woman. It is a detestable thing.

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It applies to lesbians as well.

But the bible says we are all imperfect, so obviously some people are going to be inclined this way.

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<LI>1 Corinthians 6:9,11

9 nor men kept for unnatural purposes, nor men who lie with men.....

11 And yet that is what some of YOU were. But YOU have been washed clean, but YOU have been sanctified, but YOU have been declared righteous in the name of our Lord Jesus Christ and with the spirit of our God

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personally i think its something to do with upbringing and each individuals experience through life which makes someone gay or not. But being bi-sexual, i think thats just greedy http://www.totse.com/bbs/biggrin.gif (http://www.totse.com/bbs/biggrin.gif)

[standard response about Leviticus also telling you not to wear clothes made from more than one fiber or eat seafood]

yup God didnt make us to have hot man on man sex or girl on girl hot sex either... and peeps u shouldnt be hate'n on us Christains if u dont know anything bout it... i mean i dont hate on u guys

^_^

Oh, I don't hate Christians - I hate stupid people, and the stupid things they believe.

(note that this doesn't necessarily include all Christians, though there is significant overlap)

quote:Originally posted by Discipulus:

too true! But, I personally think I'm gonna let her be herself, for she knows herself better than I know her and I can't do anything about it. If it was meant to be between us, it will.

fuck........

just pray to god and prepare to die......

Just pray and prepare to die? Why? If you guys don't believe in the Bible, then that's fine. Don't try and detest me of my beliefs. I believe that everything happens for a reason, and the same goes with me meeting her, and for feeling the way I do about her. She has a lot of problems, and she confides in me. Maybe He is hoping that I will help her out. As of right now, she smokes, and drinks. She wants to try weed, and she also wants to try coke. I told her weed was aiight (diff story) but that I'd never let her try coke as long as I was alive. Maybe God wants me to watch over her. Hmm...next prayer topic?

Well, thx,

Discipulus

Q) If you could argue from secular sociology that there were serious problems with bisexuality or homosexuality would it still be wrong to tell her so?

Personally, if she wants to her what you think,let her know what you believe, and the reasons that you believe that. You don't have to be all "fire and brimstone", but talk candidly about what you believe, share from your own experience.

Few people will get up you, unless the have some major christianity-angst if you dialogue about your faith without imposing it on them, or telling them to go to hell.

Sexual preference is generally not a choice. Telling her you think it's wrong or risky or whatever isn't going to stop her from being attracted to people of either gender.

And I expect that most people don't particularly care or want to hear about your faith. It's not like they've never had the opportunity to convert before.

"generally" I doubt describes this situation. From experience there seems to be more and more young teenage girls all of a sudden becoming "bisexual". I sincerely doubt that (in this situation) there would be anything more to it than that it is now "cool" for a chick to be bisexual- as guys are into that sort of thing.

I'm more than happy to be wrong though.

What about us bisexual males that have only shared such knowledge with our closest of friends? (ie, keeping it a secret). Ploy for attention, or truth?

I honestly don't think that she's doing it for it to be the "cool" thing to do. She doesn't care what anyone thinks about her except her closest friends. When she was first contemplating the possibility of her being bisexual she was crying about it saying "I can't be this way, I can't!" and she was extremely upset....until she got a girlfriend. And I can't believe that I'm sharing my friends life on the internet with a bunch of individuals that I don't even know. Guess that's what I get! Anyway, I dunno, I think that sexuallity ISN'T a preference, but then again, what do I know? I'm but a simple freshman. Anyway, I'm gettin' ready for school, so I'll let ya'll go. Please, share your thoughts on everything. Thx,

Discipulus

Like I said it depends on the situation. Not for a moment would I dare to contend that homosexual leanings are, as rule, attention seeking. I do question whether the recent increase in bisexuality and its popularisation, particularly among young teenage girls, is a result of people having more freedom to genuinely express who they are, or if its a result of it now being "ok".

Being hetero, i can't really understand the reasoning or motivations of others who have a different sexual orientation.