a while back someone posted this same topic, the message that was written was not a new question, it said:

if god can do anything, can he create a rock so heavy that he can't lift it?



the answer my friend, is....YES!!

by saying no, we limit him.

the answer is yes...quite simply because the question is not "can" he, of course he can; but further more, WILL HE?

NO! for what purpose, god doese not act without purpose...all things that exist have a purpose.

if you really understood the laws of GODSCIENCE you would know that His methods are far more simple than ours. i say simple because the answers are SO simple to all questions that we fail to comprehend.

if any of you will diligently search your scriptures you would find that there is only one mention of the "source" of God's power... before the foundations of the world lucifer came to god saying: "give unto me some of thine honor, which is my power."

when god commands the mountain to move, it moves... why, cause he said so. he is honored by lesser intelligences that have yet to gain the level of intelligence of god. such is the order of authority: ordained from above, and supported from benieth. here's a good analogy:what makes a good store manager at Wal-Mart? you are only as strong as your weakest link. what makes the best store manager? it's employees showing up to work on time, not calling out sick, doing their job 100%.

God is a title given to a higher intelligence, do not question him...answer him. we are here on earth because we chose to, we accepted our calling here in mortality. this life is but an instant in our eternal existence. we had to come to a place where both good and evil co-existed, and where also we are unable to remember our pre-mortal existence in the presence of god. this glorious plan, this creation is the only way in which we could choose for ourselves "WHO" we are going to be. only here can we struggle through the trials and tribulations and doubts and false doctrines, but also the truth is here...and only with out an assurity, a knowledge of the truth, we must rely on faith. only by faith can we REALLY know for sure who we are. a great profit said once "what manner of men out ye to be?" Christ said in the new testament, " be ye therefore perfect, even as our Father in heaven is perfect."

the apostles told us "if any man will do His will, he shall know of the doctorine."

do the will of the father, and we will know.

we don't have to of course, all are free. it was stated also on another posting, that narrow is the way that leadeth to heaven....

let us consider the possibilities of what god is not?! yeah, um endless...definatly wide is that gate. on the other hand, narrow is the way that leads to eternal life. yeah, god has eternal life, you want it you must be like him. christ said be ye therefore one, even as my father and i are one. one purpose. 1+1=2 true, anything other than two...is false.

so many questions on this site that i find very disturbing. almost all of the questions and arguments are so very ignorant. don't just read, study....and as the apostle paul said..."see that ye are not hearers of the word only, but doers also."

well, although I'm not exactly totally christian, I always thought that God could create a rock of any mass, and lift a rock of any mass.

as in "create rock of X kg" and

"lift rock of X kg"

meh, it makes sense to me, although what I actually believe is a little more complex.

The only point in the whole "can god make a rock so heavy he can't lift it" thing is to point out that logically, nothing can be completly all powerful.

Some of the things god could do would contridict themselves, such as rock to heavy, wall too high, and burito too hot. Its like asking if god could could create a god more powerful then himself. If he can he is not all powerful because this new god is more powerful then him, and if he can't then he is not all powerful because he can't do it in the first place.

The "rock too heavy" question is just there to point out that being all powerful is logically impossible. There are 2 ways that god followers can get around this -

A. God can't do everything, just very close to absolutly everything, so close it make pretty much no difference could he could still smite our arses to kansas and back.

or B. God does not work within the constraints of logic, he can do both.

Many take the unwritten option C, which is to tell you that you are doomed to spend eternity in hell with that attitude.

I'll go with option D...

The whole notion of God creating something too heavy/hot for him to lift/consume, is nonsensical... and I am going to attempt to rationailse why this is so.

I'll address this from an objective perspective where God = Any Omnipotent being...

Here we go; can an Omnipotent Being create an infinitely heavy rock? Yes. Can Said Being LIFT an infinitely heavy rock? Yes.

As a result of this, the only way Said Being could create a rock too heavy for it to lift, would be if you are to work under the supposition that "Infinity+1", is a possible variable... which it isn't. The Omnipotent being is working within constraints of limitless power... to create a rock so heavy that it can't lift it... is presupposing that Infinity + 1 makes sense.

In essence the question isn't clever, because it presupposes an answer which must be delivered outside the realms of "physical possibility".

quote:God is a title given to a higher intelligence, do not question him...answer him

Wow... "Embrace ignorance and be a blind sheep. DO NOT QUESTION", Congratulations, Dr. Dickhead!

I hope that what I've written makes sense... I am trying to logically address the commonly cited question above, and show why it isn't as smart as it appears at first glance.

Thing is though, if God is omnipotent then Infinity+1 IS a variable because omnipotence would allow the being to work outside of logical constraints, as that is most certainly a sort of power. Though that validates the statement, it also makes the answer that 'God doesn't work within the constraints of logic' viable.

The fact that the concept of omnipotence, omniscience, and omnipresence all violate logic makes me think it's just fucking stupid to believe a being possessing any of the three could exist.

Ummm, no. It doesn't necessitate "infinity+1"... because omnipotence is infinite power.

The notion that omnipotence means you can work outside of logical constraints is stupid, because the concept of omnipotence is "infinite power", and already pushes the realms of possibility to the limits (The creation of things we deem impossibilities being possible to a being with limitless power, keep in mind). Now, the fact that it is infinitely powerful, means just that... that doesn't mean "infinity+1", is a possible domain... because that's infinity+1. TRY READING THIS VERY VERY SLOWLY. I Don't want to break it down too much because I am pretty sure I've explained it enough for most people.

The concepts of omnipotence, omniscience and omnipresence don't necessarily violate logic. Just because you can't conceive of their existence, doesn't mean they cannot be fact. I personally find it easy to conceive of a being, that, if it was everywhere at all times (A sentient version of "The Force"... wow, I feel dirty using that example), could also have omniscience, and a cognitive ability that surpasses anything we can imagine.

Looking at it as a hypothetical, the possibility of such a being is conceivable within the realms of logic... unlikely? That's not what is being addressed. Conceivable.

*Durell shakes his fist at the sky*

ANSWER ME 2CB4ME!!!

FUCK hierarchy, there's no such thing, all humans have the same needs, but not the same opportunities.

It's a paradox in itself so you're a moron for asking.

Paradoxically the answer is most likely, yes and he can lift it anyway (much the same way Quantum Physics and Relativity are apparently mutually exclusive, but work none-the-less).

Yet the universe is still expanding.