Who was this woman? I have heard that she was the spouse of Jesus the Catholic church doesn't want you to know about. I have also heard that she being the spouse of Jesus makes her the second most important person in the Christian religion, she was ment to carry on the teachings of Jesus the way they were MENT to be carried on, but she was killed and her teachings were put to a stop because she was a woman. I guess she was in Davincis 'The last Supper', sitting next to jesus, and there was massive amounts of symbolism about their positions in the picture.

What do you people know about this?

from what I'd heard, Mary Magdalene is a prostitute that Jesus slept with. Or She was his wife. Or some such shit, *shrugs*. My memorryyyyyyy ..... uhhhhh *cries*

There's a good documentary on this on the Discovery Channel, I think the series is Ancient Evidence. Anyway, what they said was that she wasn't Jesus's wife, but that she was a diciple. The diciples used to argue with each other about who Jesus favored most. Apocrophyl texts (biblical writing that didn't make the edit in the bible) suggest that she was actually the most favored of the diciples, andthis pissed off the rest of them, especially Peter, who set up the church. She got defamed as a prositute, and was never allowed to put the teachings related to her in with the rest of the guys. Kind of obvious that they were more than a little mysoginistic in those days.

Peter, Paul, and Augustine were definitely sexist and twisted the teachings of a man who was not god but well above many other men.

He sat next to Samaritan woman and asked her for a drink. In Judea at the time that was HUGE step.

There is a story from the bible that I have heard many times over the years (at Church). Jesus came across a woman being stoned for prostitution. Jesus stopped the people from stoning her and saved her life. She became close to Jesus and was one of his diciples (sp). She also became very close with Jesus' mother, Mary. The bible never mentions her being Jesus' wife. That would not make sense in a Christians mind anyway.. to them Jesus was without sin, and intercorse, even with a spouse is a sin. But who is to say it was true or not.

(By the way, I was a Catholic for about 14 years. But a year or so ago I realized that Christianity (sp) is illogical).

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quote:Originally posted by Celina:

The bible never mentions her being Jesus' wife. That would not make sense in a Christians mind anyway.. to them Jesus was without sin, and intercorse, even with a spouse is a sin.



Wait, so doing the only thing that keeps the human race on this earth (having intercourse.. reproducing) is a sin? So what is that suggesting.. That we all die because we don't have any offspring, therefore don't sin? wierd

According to the Bible, yes. That is why in alot of societies (sp) virgins are considered extremely pure and innocent; that have not yet gained the sin of intercourse.

quote:Originally posted by Celina:

According to the Bible, yes. That is why in alot of societies (sp) virgins are considered extremely pure and innocent; that have not yet gained the sin of intercourse.

That's just... hot damn. Fuck 'em. Literally http://www.totse.com/bbs/biggrin.gif (http://www.totse.com/bbs/biggrin.gif)

I just cannot believe that's a sin.



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It is not suggesting that we stop reproducing. God (suposivley (sp)) didn't create us perfect. He knows that we will eventually give in to temptations. (i.e The Lord's Prayer.. "lead us not into temptation but deliever us from evil...")

That right there just pushes me even further from Christianity.

But, I learned something from it.. http://www.totse.com/bbs/smile.gif (http://www.totse.com/bbs/smile.gif) Now it makes sense why Nuns and Priests don't have sex...

...well, then there's Father Paul and little Jimmy.

EDIT: doesn't push me further from religion as a whole. After all, other religions are less ridiculous and more 'find a path to happiness, that is the true purpose of life'. I like that.

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quote:Originally posted by WristSlitter:

I guess she was in Davincis 'The last Supper', sitting next to jesus, and there was massive amounts of symbolism about their positions in the picture.

What do you people know about this?

I think you can pull 'symbols' out of anything if you try hard enough. Supposedly they're leaning towards eachother, creating a 'M' with their bodies, symbolizing something? What the fuck? Does picking my nose with my right hand symbolize anything?

Mary Magdalene was dis ho, I used to fuck. Her hair used to be nappy, so I would tell her ass she betta get dat shit straight cuz, she caint put her head in my crotch wit dat wooly ass shit.

She used to be like, "boa you know I'm preg"

I used to be like, "so ho!" she would say, "what we gon do about Joseph?" I used ta be like, "shit. He aint my probalum, he yours."

She used to be like "shid you know you be tappin dis" I used to be like, "ho, you can't get pregnant from giving head" So she was like, "o" and din, she said "you gon take me on Maury?" I used to be like "bitch! Maury is not out yet ho, you know dat."

An shea be like "o yeah das right"

din I said "shouldn't be hoin all da time" SHE said "Imma tell em, God did it, yop He tapped too" I was like "o, you aint gat no prob din" an she said "yop" da ind.

sike dat aint da ind.

She was like "you still gon have to help me take care of it" I said "shid, don't make me wrap my legs around yo head, an ride yo face"

She was like "any udda time you be sittin on my face, so wuts da difrance" I said "dis time imma shit, an its gon be dat watery kind" she said "Im thersty n e way"

Excuse my ignorance plz, I couldn't help myself.

*thinks somebody took "The DaVinci Code" a little too seriously*

i think it would be alot cooler if she were actually his wife and lover. throws the whole christian world on its ear.

quote:Originally posted by Celina:

There is a story from the bible that I have heard many times over the years (at Church). Jesus came across a woman being stoned for prostitution. Jesus stopped the people from stoning her and saved her life. She became close to Jesus and was one of his diciples (sp). She also became very close with Jesus' mother, Mary. The bible never mentions her being Jesus' wife. That would not make sense in a Christians mind anyway.. to them Jesus was without sin, and intercorse, even with a spouse is a sin. But who is to say it was true or not.

(By the way, I was a Catholic for about 14 years. But a year or so ago I realized that Christianity (sp) is illogical).

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You were Catholic for fourteen years and you don't even know how spell Christianity?

How many of those years do you remember? What are you, fifteen?

quote:Originally posted by Caucasian:

*thinks somebody took "The DaVinci Code" a little too seriously*

It wasn't fiction damnit. Look at daVinci's panting The Last Supper and you can see clearly what was being talked about in that book. The positions of the people and all that. And the person to the right of Jesus is clearly a woman, and that in itself, ignoring all other symbolism in the painting, is enough to show that Mary was a very significant person.

magdalene wasnt a prostitute. the church invented that later on to ruin her reputation.

Celina- whilst it is important that people express their views on religions and their own religious experience, to say that something unqualifiedly (is that a real word?) "is" a religions doctrine is not real smart. Especially if that comes simply from your own experience and understanding of your own particular division of religion. Even more so with Christianity.

I could just as well say that "according to the bible" white anglo-saxons are superior, that slavery is fine, the slaughter of Jews , the disabled, and homosexuals is a-okay and that all true christians believe that the western world is rich as a sign of God's blessing. As well as a great number of things.

The bible has been used to justify all sorts of things that it is opposed to. The "sex is sin" thing is a recurring one, lately it came out from trying to give a Godly spin on extreme Victorian era morals.

Lets let the bible speak for itself on this one:

"May your fountain be blessed, and may you rejoice in the wife of your youth. A loving doe, a graceful deer- may her breasts satisfy you always, may you ever be captivated by her love." - Proverbs 5:18,19

"The husband should fulfill his martial duty to his wife, and likewise the wife to her husband. The wife's body does not belong to her alone but also to her husband. In the same way, the husbands body does not belong to him alone but also to his wife." - 1 Cor. 7:3-5

Need I say more? Read the Song of Songs

Ok Wristslitter, I recently read a pretty good book called "Mary Called Magdalene" by Margaret George. It's a"fiction based on historical fact" kind of book. Interesting and fun to read, I walked away from that book smarter than when I first approached it. If you are intersested in Mary, do read this book.

Norman Mailer wrote a book about Jesus a few years ago that (if I remember correcty) has some interesting Mary ideas. I think it's called "Son of God", but I'm not sure. Google/Amazon will answer that question.

I recommend both of these books to you and anybody else who is interested in an alternative look at Mary and (especially with Mailers book- it's truly alterative!) Jesus. Good stuff.

Let me know...!

quote:Originally posted by inquisitor_11:

Celina- whilst it is important that people express their views on religions and their own religious experience, to say that something unqualifiedly (is that a real word?) "is" a religions doctrine is not real smart. Especially if that comes simply from your own experience and understanding of your own particular division of religion. Even more so with Christianity.

I could just as well say that "according to the bible" white anglo-saxons are superior, that slavery is fine, the slaughter of Jews , the disabled, and homosexuals is a-okay and that all true christians believe that the western world is rich as a sign of God's blessing. As well as a great number of things.

The bible has been used to justify all sorts of things that it is opposed to. The "sex is sin" thing is a recurring one, lately it came out from trying to give a Godly spin on extreme Victorian era morals.

Lets let the bible speak for itself on this one:

"May your fountain be blessed, and may you rejoice in the wife of your youth. A loving doe, a graceful deer- may her breasts satisfy you always, may you ever be captivated by her love." - Proverbs 5:18,19

"The husband should fulfill his martial duty to his wife, and likewise the wife to her husband. The wife's body does not belong to her alone but also to her husband. In the same way, the husbands body does not belong to him alone but also to his wife." - 1 Cor. 7:3-5

Need I say more? Read the Song of Songs



Wow, that is sick.

EDIT: whoops, I only read "The wife's body does not belong to her alone but also to her husband" and hit reply. That, in my opinion, was very very very sick, but I neglected to see that it said the same thing for the husband. Whoops! It's not that bad of a passage afterall.



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I thought it might get a response like that!

You see it happen heaps when people have a "christanity is anti-woman" attitude. They usually cite something from Leviticus amount Women's discharges being unclean, but omit the fact that a few lines later it says the same things about male discharges.

quote:Originally posted by inquisitor_11:

I thought it might get a response like that!

You see it happen heaps when people have a "christanity is anti-woman" attitude. They usually cite something from Leviticus amount Women's discharges being unclean, but omit the fact that a few lines later it says the same things about male discharges.



either way, it just shows how primitive the teachings are, when it says to stay away from women on their period.

...I think that's still a good rule for modern times. http://www.totse.com/bbs/smile.gif (http://www.totse.com/bbs/smile.gif)

Actually, the hygenic and sanitary requirements in the Torah were considered to be too advanced for a culture in that period- and was a major part of the criticism of the text for a while. Until archaeology showed otherwise.

...its a good tip for young players...

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With the isolating of the women with their periods, I thought it related to hunting? As it does seem to be a common theme in hunting

societies?

Women's skin does smell different through their cycles. Do animals care about that? I know the theory about bear attacks & women being ragged has supposedly been disproved.

I don't know of similar studies involving men

their ragged women & the hunted. It do sound

interesting though. Perhaps it's a spiritual

thing, women affecting those around them in different ways as hormones do what they doos.

magdalene is a prostitute, jesus didnt fuck magdalene simply because jesus is god. and for the priest and nuns, some of those fuckers do get invole in a sexual act. dont be misguided between catholic faith and christianity, they are different. remember there are popes who are atheist and uses the religion to brain wash people.

quote:Originally posted by dexter_cute:

jesus didnt fuck magdalene simply because jesus is god...

Excuse my French, but...

What the hell are you talking about?

Mary was Jesus's mother, so which Jesus are YOU referring to? Why the Hell would Jesus having sex with Mary even be a discussion? Umm... lets see...It's not! Cause no one would bring up such an absurd thing.

Read the fucking thread you think that people were discussing whether his mother was a prostitute or one of his disciples??

Fucking genius.

quote:Originally posted by Caucasian:

*thinks somebody took "The DaVinci Code" a little too seriously*

good im not the only one who thought so,...funny how he/she presented it as his/her own original thought

quote:Originally posted by Caucasian:

*thinks somebody took "The DaVinci Code" a little too seriously*

It wasn't fiction damnit. Look at daVinci's panting The Last Supper and you can see ...



So you are saying that DaVinci was the "photographer" at the Last Supper? Or that he had first hand knowledge as to who was there, and where they sat? It must have took him around 1500 years or so to invent a ladder with wheels on it so he could paint his big tag. WOW, he must have had SOME memory... I'm almost 39 and sometimes i have a hard time remembering yesterday.

Sorry, seriously now, I havent read the davinci code yet, but i am very inclined to think that this is fictional. When a time machine has been invented, i'll have to put a stop at davinci's house on the agenda, right after checking out the big bang.

by the way...intercourse with yourown spouse is not a sin... that is a catholic teaching, not biblical... "be fruitfull and multiply" comes to mind.

quote:Originally posted by Metalligod:

Excuse my French, but...

What the hell are you talking about?

Mary was Jesus's mother, so which Jesus are YOU referring to? Why the Hell would Jesus having sex with Mary even be a discussion? Umm... lets see...It's not! Cause no one would bring up such an absurd thing.

True, Mary was the mother of Jesus.

However, she is not Mary Magdelene. Two different marys here.