why doesnt god show himself?!

I've seen Thom Yorke 4 times.

why would he feel the need to? if he is existence itself, then is he really hiding?

He does, but you're always looking the other way.

im just pretty dumb about this whole religion thinng...i admit it...im not an aetheist or sumthin...i know thers a god.im just not the religious type

There is no possible way for god to show himself. He obviously does not have a body, or at least he does not have a physical one. You see, our eyes are a part of our bodies, and physical materials are what allow us to see, which is why something that does not have a physical body needs to use energy to create an appiration. Usually, to people on earth, someone from the "other side" (I tried to avoid that corny over used term) needs to use energy to create an appiration, most likely of what they looked like in life.

I can't imagine how it would be like on the "other side" (used that damn term again), because since people don't have bodies how do they see? My thought is that the "other side"

is a completely different place where the people there don't actually "see". As for god, how would he create an appiration to represent himself with? He cannot. However, he has appirated before: it just wasn't a visual appiration. The holy spirit is God's appiration, and his way of showing himself.

God doesn't show himself because it is not possible for us to see him.

At the most fundamental level everything is energy, as far as we know. They're have been people that have testified to this long before science came to this conclusion, "The meditator, the object of meditation, and the meditation itself are all one." Energy using energy to perceive energy. You may have seen the snake that eats it's own tail for eternity, I have forgotten the name, sorry about that. The snake in Yogic Philosophy aswell as 'Abrahamic' is this energy, Shakti in sanskrit. Which is doubled by it's negative, nothing(for discriptive purposes, realy it's beyond nothing/something.) God embraces all of this, yin/yang.

This is why you cannot see God, at least not until you can see this.

quote:Originally posted by skoolboy_arts:

why doesnt god show himself?!

If there was no such thing as gods then they couldn't reveal themselves because they didn't exist.

Not-so-coincidentally, that explanation perfectly explains why you don't see gods running down the street or appearing in the sky.

So what makes more sense: Gods exist and they are providing you with the illsion that you live in a world that is completely devoid of any gods and they are just pulling a fast one over on you, or that it is actually not an illusion at all and there are no such things as gods?

Either gods hide themselves really damn good or don't exist at all, but either way it would appear that the leading indication is that we shouldn't believe in them. Either they don't exist or they don't want us to know they exist, but either way you shouldn't believe in them unless you get some conrete proof as to their existence.

That's the default mentality. Everyone pretty much assumes that any given thing does not exist until they have been presented with a reason to believe that it does (Like invisible dragons in my garage (http://www.users.qwest.net/~jcosta3/article_dragon.htm) for instance). Some people require signifigantly less evidence to believe in something that others because they take leaps of faith and such, so they don't require that convincing evidence whereas the rational skeptic does.

Whatever happens to be the case, you simply can't go wrong with a healthy dose of skepticism.

Deut. 6:16 quote:Do not put the Lord your God to the test. answers it all.

Yep. God was never a big fan of the scientific method.

Ahhhhhhhhh invisible dragons are trying to kill me

God is evreywhere. Even with our most powerful telescopes, and our most advanced observational devices, we can only see a fraction of this universe, add to this that God is beyond time, and that God also is beyond this universe, and the ones curled up within this one. To see the face of God is to see that which you see and don't see or ever will see and ever won't see, simultaneously in one instant. As far as reaching our true potential we're about 6.3% complete.

Because we've yet to see everything you assume God is hiding in an area of the spectrum we cannot yet see?

How inventive of you; that surely isn't ignorant.

6.3% ?

Tell me, how do you calculate that?

God sux at math..

RHT.

quote:Originally posted by ilbastardoh:

As far as reaching our true potential we're about 6.3% complete.

Whose this we?

I will not show myself until I am ready.

Yeah what a good question, why doesn't show himself... Well it could be cos he doesn't exist and everything came from nowhere.

And if there is a god, you can probably ask him when you're in the jugdement room or whatever... What!? You're sending me away!? But why didn't you ever show yourself?

How will he answer to that...? Will he say hey I just wanted you to blindly trust in what everyone was telling you... Or will he go hey did you ever think about opening your friggen eyes and take a look around? I was everywhere...

I don't know if this post is atheistic or pro-religious :/

Sorry, I'm a bit messed up...

I'm not exactly religious, I mean I used to be a christian but then I realized there were too many things that didn't make sense... But ah, I do believe that something will happen when we die, we won't just be eaten by worms and stuff... But it seems that all humans come with this like... Built in interest in something that is beyond s and this world and stuff... Maybe it's there for a reason, like god created us so that everyone would search for him, maybe everything happened cos of a coincidince...

I thought he had?

oh shit, he did and i missed it, no fair! i want my money back!

God is not hididng in part of the spectrum we don't see, it's that he's in that part too along with this part. It's like trying to make out a face when all you can see is a cell of ear wax.

quote:Originally posted by Craftian:

6.3% ?

Tell me, how do you calculate that?

It's intuition, it requires no thought, to think puts an obstacle in the path of direct knowledge.

My belief in God rests on this simple sociological observation:

Life is timing and irony.

The more you keep this in mind, the more astutely you will note those instances in life to which I refer as 'divine choreography.'

Enjoy.

SST

Well if god is everything then it must stand to reason that the motherfucker has a sense of humor.

quote:Originally posted by ilbastardoh:

It's intuition, it requires no thought, to think puts an obstacle in the path of direct knowledge.

PLEASE STOP YOU'VE CRIPPLED ME WITH LAUGHTER

If god did show its self wouldn't that take away freedom of choice? Of course it would be a hell of alot easier to believe it if I saw it. Then I wouldn't really have a choice but to bask in his/hers "glory." Freedom is always worth fighting for.

"Wow an all powerful being"

"Its alright you can ask for my autograph"

"Do I need to ask?"

"No, Its everything"

"Oh."

You could still choose to worship it or not; what do you weigh more, personal freedom of choice or the forgiveness of a proven god? Myself, I would deny worshipping the god, despite believing they exist.

quote:Originally posted by AI:

If god did show its self wouldn't that take away freedom of choice?

God showed himself to tons of people in the Old Testament, why didn't that take away their freedom of choice?

Hell, he knocked Saul right off his horse and then spoke to him from the heavens, but he can't do that for the rest of us?

quote:Originally posted by Eil:

why would he feel the need to? if he is existence itself, then is he really hiding?

If supposedly "god is existance" then why would you call existance a 'him'?

And if that being the case that god is existance,then when someone says they believe in god,are they in actuality saying that they believe in existance,cause if so that just seems a little odd don't you think?

^exactly.

Damn Eil, I can never figure out where you stand. Sometimes you sound like a zealot, sometimes you sound like the epitomy of atheism. Are you lost and searching somewhere in between, or what?

nah, i know what i believe.

What do you believe? I would love to find out as I can never tell from your posts.

i believe that energy is infinite. that's about it. very boring, that's why i talk out my ass, play devil's advocate, and contemplate random thoughts in my posts...

quote:Originally posted by Discipulus:

Deut. 6:16 Do not put the Lord your God to the test. answers it all.



This is one thing I have against the Bible.

It has an answer for everything. You can't put him to the test, you have to use faith and believe in him.

If you don't, then you're going to hell.

It tells us he exists, gives us shit all for proof, then when we want proof, it says we can't test him for proof. Then if we still are sceptical, it threatens us with going to hell.

A perfect trick, written to keep people in place.