a father allows his son to be killed. any real person looking at that must know that the father is wrong. then add that the son is humiliated, tortured and ridiculed all by the lowest creatures. how can you respect a god like that?

i know, people say 'he sacraficed his kid cause he loves us'. well, thats crap. why does he love his creation more than his flesh? we failed him, we sinned, we fucked up his perfect garden, and forgot his existence, and yet he loves us more than his own child.

we are meant to emulate jesus, to follow his lessons and act like he, but arnet we forgetting that god afforded him the ultimate betrayal. is that what we want, to be like the eldest son? to do as jesus is not very tempting considering how he finally rested.



god's messenger to earth was pretty pathetic. his miracles are nothing. he walked on water, cured some people and made some wine. you would expect a little better from the son of god. other religions contain animals that contain the universe in thier mouths, and incredible feats of strength and skill. here we have a small insignificant man, with nothing extraordinary about him, who died before he reached old age. this is god messenger?

if this is what god chose to represent himself then be allowed to die in the worst way, than god is someone who does not deserve respect.

in short, how can you fear and revere a god who is so feeble and weak. who denies his own existence and sends messengers like lamb to the slaughter?

Moses parted a fricking sea. Is it to much to hope that a supposedly high level cleric like Jesus could drop a few Flame Strikes, or Planar Allies? One Solar could have wiped the floor with Pontious Pilate.

And I always assumed that Jesus was made for the sole purpose of dying. That he wasn't so much the son of God, as he was God made flesh, to then die. Of course, I was raised Catholic.

I don't really believe that Jesus is the Son of God, but rather Jesus is the Son of the Living Word of God, because if you think about it, we are all the Son of God, in a sense. Anyway, Jesus CHOSE to die for us, and to take all our sin upon himself so that we might have the opportunity to live an eternal life along side Him in the Kingdom of Heaven after this world is gone (2012?). I wish all of you the best of luck, and all non-believers are in my prayers.

The Student

jesus chose to die? he essentially commited suicide? people don't choose to get cruicified, id bet it hurts alot.

god, who is meant to be all knowing, everything, who judges all sends down a feeble messenger, who is degraded and murdered. god let his weak avatar die. what does that say about god?

Do soldiers who jump on a grenade commit suicide?

it depends if they know they will die and they want to die, not that they feel they need to die. A guy taking a bullet for his friend is not suicide, a guy taking a bullet because they want to take a bullet is suicide.

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Do soldiers who jump on a grenade commit suicide?

No, they just suck up the grenade that someone threw in there so noone else has to die.

Then again, we really have to question the situation if the general thew the grenade at the soldiers and the soldier that jumped on the grenade was his son and he said he knew his som would do that and that he was his son and he sacrificed himself to himself so he wouldn't have to kill the rest of the soldiers under his command for breaking some rules he made that he knew they couldn't possibly not break.

Rule breaking? That's not the crux of the issue (at least not from a christian understanding of God). In Hebrews theres a list of the people who were considered to be like God's "A-team" of the faithful. Each of them was a major "rule-breaker" (prostitutes, murderers etc.). And yet they are the ones that are being promoted as role models for our faith!