smokin' Mary Jane? Always heard people say "Don't smoke that, it's wrong." but never really heard people say why. Any proof that the Bible says it's wrong? Thx,

Discipulus

You can't beat weed for helping along your spiritual understanding.

Sorry, I don't know what the bible says about it.

quote:Originally posted by Discipulus:

smokin' Mary Jane? Always heard people say "Don't smoke that, it's wrong." but never really heard people say why. Any proof that the Bible says it's wrong? Thx,

Discipulus

Depends who you ask.

I ask here cuz I wanna get a wide variety of answers. Yes, I did light up last night and I had one hell of a time with all my buddies. I personally don't think I got high, but it could just be me. Anyway, any advice would kick ass, thx,

Disc

Well seeing as lots of 'Divine Inspiration' comes in the form of hallucinations how can inducing hallucinations be bad?

But was it divine inspiration or just people (Jesus in desert/Mohammed in cave) who were starving and who's brains released a chemical very similiar to LSD because of lack of energy....................

Well, weed isn't really hallucagentic (ms?). It's more of a mood enhancer, like alcohol

quote:http://faculty.washington.edu/chudler/mari.html says:

In high doses, marijuana can cause:

* hallucinations

And God saith, `Lo, I have given to you every herb sowing seed, which [is] upon the face of all the earth, and every tree in which [is] the fruit of a tree sowing seed, to you it is for food;

Genesis 1:29

quote:Originally posted by Aphelion Corona:

And God saith, `Lo, I have given to you every herb sowing seed, which [is] upon the face of all the earth, and every tree in which [is] the fruit of a tree sowing seed, to you it is for food;

Genesis 1:29

So that means we can do drugs? http://www.totse.com/bbs/redface.gif (http://www.totse.com/bbs/redface.gif)

Nothing in the Bible against them, and there is decent evidence that anointing oils were mostly cannibus oil. They were banned for awhile, and when Jesus came around he started making the baptismal oils again. It soaks into the skin and produces hallucinations.

I don't know of the bible saying anything against drugs. However, the bible does say you should honor the laws of your country where it doesn't interfere with God's law.

You can make the Bible say whatever you damn well please.

Now go out there, do whatever you want to do, and use your interpretation of your holy book to justify it!

http://www.cannabisculture.com/backissues/cc11/christ.html

http://www.guardian.co.uk/international/story/0,3604,869273,00.html

Hey I was wondering when this thread would come around again...

There's nothing explicitly against drug use. However there is good reasons not to i.e. altered sense of reality, reduced inhibitions, lack of self-control, possibility of additiction (pscyhological or physical- which can get to the point where your addiction rules you life rather than Christ (if your'e a christian). etc. The bible says "don't get drunk", and its for much the same reasons- "be sober, so that you can pray" (2 Peter i think).

So from a christian perspective, I think there are very good reasons not to.

re: The Cannabis oil

I was thinking about doing a full polemic on this but, I don't really have the time or the inclination. But essentially, the whole thing falls down in that it relies on the "re-interpretive" work of one bloke (who may well have an undisclosed agenda). The passage that details the perscribed makeup of the anoiting oil is Ex 30:25 and is made up of:

A)myrrh (balsam sap)

B)cinnamon (bark of the cinnamon tree, a species of laurel)

C)cane (pith from the cane plant)

D)cassia (made from dry flowers of the cinnamon tree).

Whilst to their credit the articles at least make a fair go of it, they fall down in that their arguments are based on a series of assumptions and evidences that are all dependent upon the previous assertion. Thus, if one aspect falls, so does the whole argument. So even an argument that sounds and appears as good as this one is structurally quite weak, as is much of its evidence.

It isn't possible to become physically addicted to THC.

mostly what i hear from chrisians agenst pot or other drugs is

your body is a temple.

which to me means its ok to smoke weed, but they seem to take it the other way...

There are definitley Christians who smoke pot. I personally do not, but that's not only because I'm a Christian. Like i said above though, the bible does want you to obey the laws of your country, so if you are actually worried about it, I'd say move to Amsterdam.

research rastafarianism, you'd be surprised

Rastafarianism is not Christianity. It has its basis in Christianity, but it definitely is not, similar to the way Uniterianism or Mormonism are not Christian even though they have some of the same cast of characters.

Basically, the bible says not to abuse your body, Jesus mentions not to hurt the temple of christ (someone please find it if you could) and that depends on you, don't hurt yourself so you hamper your life. As long as your weed doesn't contain illicit drugs that will make you addictive, your safe in that sense, however, you are not to disobey the laws of your country, so...either way, you have backing./

quote:Originally posted by Craftian:

It isn't possible to become physically addicted to THC.

That's not true. I'm hooked and so are all my peoples. Mentally, physically, whatever.. I took a three week break and had a major withdrawal including schitzophrenia.

THC is addicting if you indulge.

And you don't think that all of the withdrawl could have been due to psychological dependency?

"... thou shalt eat the herb of the field." (Genesis 3:18)

"... eat every herb of the land." (Exodus 10:12)

"Better is a dinner of herb where love is, than a stalled ox and hatred there with." (Proverbs 15:17)

"He causeth the grass for the cattle, and herb for the service of man." (Psalms 104:14)

I have known about Jesus being anointed with hemp oil and then going on to do so to others for a couple years now and this passage you guys point out about the seeds and herbs of earth being ours only reenforces my belief that marajana is ok for hum,an consumption by the laws of God. This theory about God telling us to obey the laws of our country does not counter with us being able to morally smoke it, drink it, eat it, or whatever because by the laws of our country we are free to follow our religeous beliefs. However, try telling that to our government or anyone claiming to be a Christian and a follower of the word of God and you will find many false Christians as well as false upholders of our constitution. I for one, if arrested on marajana charges, will seek out the media for support to change this as my defence will be freedom of religeon. I would support anyone else who did the same and if I'm in your jury you need not fear.

Peace out, - the guy in the jury box looking at the prosecution as if hes stupid.

Genesis and other places tell us that every thing that grows is for us to eat. But this was done before the fall. The curse changed things. Genetical defects were brought into the world. We are possibly growing less and less intelligent, and plants changed. Thorns were introduced after the fall of man. Now, after this, do you think God would say to go eat poisonous berries? No.

He did tell us not to desecrate the temple, which is the body of those who have a personal relationship with Jesus. so in times before Jesus, this may have been okay. Using the oils for anointment is not in any way harmful.so that was okay too. There also has not been proof that weed is unhealthy. Of course smoking anything is unhealthy but there are other ways of administering. Also There are many nutrients that we need to have in order to survive. but if we have to much we can kill ourselves. So weed may not be unhealthy until you have too much of it.

The bible also says we can't put anything before God. If smoking pot interferes with what God wants you to do, then it is a sin. But if it doesn't then it is not a sin.

However, despite all these there is one place in the Bible that God makes clear that it is wrong (Assuming you live in America). "Then give Caesar what is his, and give God what is his." If the United States law says we cant have weed. Then it is a sin to have weed. so basically, if you ingest it (not smoke it), don't have enough to hurt you, it doesn't get between you and God or get addictive, and you don't reside in the United States or other countrie where it is illegal, Then it might be alright. It can be helpful to certain people.

But I will say that usually, you are not lucky enough to get by all those three rules and make it alright. The best and easiest thing a Christian can do to know if it is a sin, is to listen for conviction. Don't pretend that it is not when it is, you may feel you can get away with it now but you will have to stand before God without excuse.

quote:Originally posted by TalcumPowder:

I have known about Jesus being anointed with hemp oil and then going on to do so to others for a couple years now and this passage you guys point out about the seeds and herbs of earth being ours only reenforces my belief that marajana is ok for hum,an consumption by the laws of God. This theory about God telling us to obey the laws of our country does not counter with us being able to morally smoke it, drink it, eat it, or whatever because by the laws of our country we are free to follow our religeous beliefs. However, try telling that to our government or anyone claiming to be a Christian and a follower of the word of God and you will find many false Christians as well as false upholders of our constitution. I for one, if arrested on marajana charges, will seek out the media for support to change this as my defence will be freedom of religeon. I would support anyone else who did the same and if I'm in your jury you need not fear.

Peace out, - the guy in the jury box looking at the prosecution as if hes stupid.

I agree with you on Christian selectivism- but see earlier re: Cannabis anointing oil- you wouldn't want to think your'e smart unless your'e real sure...