The other day I was talking to a Jewish freind about his faith and the fact that he practices it to soome degree. I was talking to him about why in particular he believed and what justification he had for doing so. Specially when you consider the fact that from the first chapter on the Torah (remember hes Jewish) is BS. He couldnt seriously believe that the universe and the world was created in seven days.

According to him one of the reasons that Einstein (a jew) came up with the theory of relativity (besides its apperent truth) was that he was possibly trying to answer the same question for himself being a religous man. The question that einstein was supposedly trying to answer was this according to my friend:

Isnt it possible that God exists somewhere in the center of the universe where time is much slower due to the higher gravity levels such that what was the first 6 or so days for him has been the last few million (or maybe even a billion) years for us. If this was so then where it says god created the beasts then the humans that small amount of time for god would have been millions of years of history for us.

Personally im not convinced, but any thoughts? WHats wrong with this theory, and considering i havent actually read most of the biblewhats the deal with any scriptural supports/contradictions? Just wondering

-Syagru1s

PS SaturnRocketX (or whatever) and your DOWZ.net: rot in hell

The center of the universe would be static...making everything else faster (timewise) in its frame of reference; it works under the following assumptions:

1) God exists

2) God is centered in our universe

3) God can create

So, while if a god exists who is a creator and centered in our universe, then it is a damned viable explanation.

or you could just take the clever view that the bible isnt speaking literally. he doesnt speak of the earth being created-there is no time reference between "in the begginging god created the heavens and the earth" and the first creative day. each creative day is figurative, eg an old timer saying "back in my day"...

the main thing is that the chronology is totally correct as described in the bible. to get that right 4,000 years ago is quite an achievement-which is only one of the reasons people belive in the creation account.

But that's not a clever view at all really as there's no explanation as to how metaphorical it is, or what premises the metaphor exists under...atleast with the introduction of relativity into it, it becomes another asscrack theory, but it atleast doesn't contradict hard fact.

Thanks Hexadecimal, ill tell him that.

Note that my friend wasnt trying to prove god (i may have been confusing with the original post) he was instead trying to prove that the old testament/torah was not necessarily wrong. Your right in saying that his argument was only true if god existed.

Looking at the time and the length of days for god in comparison to those for us, isnt it possible that god is still resting, that it is still the 7th day for him? Maybe thats why shit hasnt happened in along time, god is probably on his ass right now in high heaven sleeping with some chicks.

Has anyone actually heard of this "Einstein Link", I dont know much about him so i was wondering, is it plausible? Does anyone think that there is any credence at all to it?

Thanx - Syagru1s

nevermind:

...the main thing is that the chronology is totally correct as described in the bible. to get that right 4,000 years ago is quite an achievement-which is only one of the reasons people belive in the creation account.

Of course, had the chronology of the events been incorrect, editing could have quickly made things jive. Ah, I forgot, the book has never had any errors.

quote:Originally posted by ashesofzen:

nevermind:

...the main thing is that the chronology is totally correct as described in the bible. to get that right 4,000 years ago is quite an achievement-which is only one of the reasons people belive in the creation account.

Of course, had the chronology of the events been incorrect, editing could have quickly made things jive. Ah, I forgot, the book has never had any errors.

oh right, editing the beggining of the bible?? ermm so why do you find that centuries old manuscripts still have the chronolgy correct?? we only worked out the chronology of the earths creative, or evolution periods in the last 100 years....

go get a 300 year old bible or older-from a time when we didnt have the knowledge we had today, and you'll see the moses creation account is the same as it is today.

So this isn't gonna win me any awards but...

The bible says he used all these days to create the world, the bible also says that to god a day is like a thousand years and a thousand years are like a day. So... Well... Well that's what it says.

And back in the day, a thousand (a zound), was not really a unit of measure, but rather equivalent to the modern concept of infinity. Essentially, the passage about 1000 days of man is one of God's means that God is timeless, it has no bearing on its actions...just a bit of information for people interested in Theology.

quote:the main thing is that the chronology is totally correct as described in the bible. to get that right 4,000 years ago is quite an achievement-which is only one of the reasons people belive in the creation account.

I'd say the chronology is pretty logical, anyone could guess at it by observing the world around them.

quote:Originally posted by Rex_Syagru1s:

Isnt it possible that God exists somewhere in the center of the universe where time is much slower due to the higher gravity levels such that what was the first 6 or so days for him has been the last few million (or maybe even a billion) years for us. If this was so then where it says god created the beasts then the humans that small amount of time for god would have been millions of years of history for us.



From what I've heard, the universe is a four-dimensional hypersphere. This means that if you travel far enough a straight distance in the universe, you'll end back up where you started. It all loops around, and there is no center.

This is analogous to the earth's surface. It appears to be flat, but really just goes around the 3D shape of the earth. You'll often see Biblical references to the earth as having a center location and four corners, or as a large disc with mountains. And then there's the quotes where Jesus sees all the kingdoms in the world, etc.

However... just as our earth has its center based in three dimensions, there may be a four-dimensional center to the universe. But that sort of thing my puny earthling mind cannot comprehend.