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tommyk
2004-05-14, 15:51
Does anyone out there worship the egyptian gods?

sewer_zombie
2004-05-14, 18:06
well from what I heard, egyptians were partially Satanists. I went on this website called www.joyofsatan.com (http://www.joyofsatan.com) that website deals with egyptian god-demons

anubisknight
2004-05-14, 21:56
yea satan is considered the god enki, or "ea" god of the earth in egyptian mythology

Uncus
2004-05-15, 13:58
quote:Originally posted by anubisknight:

yea satan is considered the god enki, or "ea" god of the earth in egyptian mythology

You are confusing with the Mesopotamian gods.

Uncus
2004-05-15, 14:01
quote:Originally posted by tommyk:

Does anyone out there worship the egyptian gods?

Why should you worship them ?

Study them all you want, so you understand what the Egyptians believed and why they lived how they lived, and the place and part of the Egyptian culture in the history of humanity, but there is no sensible reason to go back and start worshipping Egyptian gods.



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tommyk
2004-05-15, 16:20
quote:Originally posted by Uncus:

Why should you worship them ?

Study them all you want, so you understand what the Egyptians believed and why they lived how they lived, and the place and part of the Egyptian culture in the history of humanity, but there is no sensible reason to go back and start worshipping Egyptian gods.



[This message has been edited by Uncus (edited 05-15-2004).]

How come? Who's to say any religion is sensible or not?

People go back and start worshipping other religions don't they?



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Metalligod
2004-05-15, 18:39
Some of the Egyptian gods are just angels from Christianity. I've only been able to find one so far. But I've been told there are many others.

The egyptian god Thoth, is an angel named Metatron, Metron, Enoch,and many other names. But this angel/god is the angel, Enoch, in the bible. He is a very powerful angel, he's considered 'the' most powerful, next to Satanial(Satan) that is. He's in the highest order of angels,'The Watcher', also named the 'Grigori, and the Bene Ba Elohim. Which means 'Sons of God. Or 'Gaurdian Sons of God'.

So some of Egyptian worship, is just Christianity. Thusly, showing that people worship in the same religion, but not necessarily the same gods, because they're simply angels.

If anyone decides to look into any of this, you should know that these are also called 'Those that Fell', 'The Fallen angels', or 'The Fallen'. You'll find out that Satan was not/is not evil, according to Christianity, that's a mstranslation. He simply pissed god off by nearly messing up 'God's Plan', whatever that may be.

Don't want to spoil it too much, but the reason these angels 'fell' is because they followed in Satan's footsteps. That is to say, Satan was seduced by a woman, because he and the other angels were simply amazed by humans. They wanted to know what we 'felt'. So they sheathed themselves in flesh and became whatever form they were as angels.

Meaning, angels are sexless, so therefore, when they made themselves flesh. They became whatever sex they resembled. God never told these angels not to physically interact with man. But in the event that they did, they weren't suppose to have sex with them. They knew this, it was somewhat imprinted in them, they just knew it was wrong.

But anyway, Satan couldn't hold himself back any longer and he mated with the most beutiful of the women,(so the angel, Enoch, says.)and the other angels followed after him, taking men and women, as husbands and wives. Some of the human women became pregnant.

They had completely normal looking children, save for the fact that they were angelically beutiful. But these babies didn't stop growing as humans do. They became huge like angels in their natural forms. They became,get this, 'The Titans.

Isn't it strange that Greek myth is also entangled in this. Three absolutely different deistic beleifs, all having some of the same characters.

:sorry had to edit, messed up some words:

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Hexadecimal
2004-05-15, 19:18
When you consider that angeology is complete bullshit with not even scripture to back it up, the similarities disappear as they were designed just to be that: similar.

tommyk
2004-05-15, 20:18
quote:Originally posted by Metalligod:

Some of the Egyptian gods are just angels from Christianity. I've only been able to find one so far. But I've been told there are many others.

The egyptian god Thoth, is an angel named Metatron, Metron, Enoch,and many other names. But this angel/god is the angel, Enoch, in the bible. He is a very powerful angel, he's considered 'the' most powerful, next to Satanial(Satan) that is. He's in the highest order of angels,'The Watcher', also named the 'Grigori, and the Bene Ba Elohim. Which means 'Sons of God. Or 'Gaurdian Sons of God'.

So some of Egyptian worship, is just Christianity. Thusly, showing that people worship in the same religion, but not necessarily the same gods, because they're simply angels.

If anyone decides to look into any of this, you should know that these are also called 'Those that Fell', 'The Fallen angels', or 'The Fallen'. You'll find out that Satan was not/is not evil, according to Christianity, that's a mstranslation. He simply pissed god off by nearly messing up 'God's Plan', whatever that may be.

Don't want to spoil it too much, but the reason these angels 'fell' is because they followed in Satan's footsteps. That is to say, Satan was seduced by a woman, because he and the other angels were simply amazed by humans. They wanted to know what we 'felt'. So they sheathed themselves in flesh and became whatever form they were as angels.

Meaning, angels are sexless, so therefore, when they made themselves flesh. They became whatever sex they resembled. God never told these angels not to physically interact with man. But in the event that they did, they weren't suppose to have sex with them. They knew this, it was somewhat imprinted in them, they just knew it was wrong.

But anyway, Satan couldn't hold himself back any longer and he mated with the most beutiful of the women,(so the angel, Enoch, says.)and the other angels followed after him, taking men and women, as husbands and wives. Some of the human women became pregnant.

They had completely normal looking children, save for the fact that they were angelically beutiful. But these babies didn't stop growing as humans do. They became huge like angels in their natural forms. They became,get this, 'The Titans.

Isn't it strange that Greek myth is also entangled in this. Three absolutely different deistic beleifs, all having some of the same characters.

:sorry had to edit, messed up some words:

[This message has been edited by Metalligod (edited 05-15-2004).]

Thats pretty interesting stuff, whereabouts did you find it all out?



quote:Originally posted by Hexadecimal:

When you consider that angeology is complete bullshit with not even scripture to back it up, the similarities disappear as they were designed just to be that: similar.

eh?

Metalligod
2004-05-15, 20:21
quote:Originally posted by Hexadecimal:

When you consider that angeology is complete bullshit...

Since when does angeology NOT have scripture to back it up? I believe the bible both Hebrew and KJ, speak of Enoch. Who BTW, was the great great grandfather of Noah, the ark dude. The book of Enoch is bible scripture, and both that book and Hebrew back up angeology.

And so does the bible. So come again, what's not supported by scripture? Oh, and if it's not gonna take up too much of your time, I'd suggest reading the bible(KJ), since it actually backs up some angeology as well.

:sorry bout the retroactive edit, as Ashes likes to call it. Enoch is an angel:

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anubisknight
2004-05-15, 21:01
quote:Originally posted by Uncus:

You are confusing with the Mesopotamian gods.

http://www.angelfire.com/empire/serpentis666/Satan.html

no, sumerian for ea

http://www.xlibris.de/magickriver/serpent.htm

egyptian enki



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fakeithardx
2004-05-15, 21:53
read my post about aliens, sumerians, and the meaning of life, and watch the videos. it will all come together for you.

neX
2004-05-16, 00:14
Egyptian gods are just angels from Christianity...

true because christianity steals all their shit and makes it their own

Metalligod
2004-05-16, 06:14
quote:Originally posted by neX:

Egyptian gods are just angels from Christianity...

You fail to realize that Christianity came from the Hebrew religion. Which I pointed out, which did not steal from other religions. You also fail to realize that Myan and many other religions are intertwined.

As I've previously pointed out, so is Greek, Roman, as well as, again, Egyptian. Latin beliefs other than Christian, are also involved.

Uncus
2004-05-17, 18:41
quote:Originally posted by tommyk:

[B] How come? Who's to say any religion is sensible or not?

People go back and start worshipping other religions don't they?B]

I didn't say anything about the Egyptian religion being sensible or not, and if there are paople who start worshipping ancient deities, that doesn't mean that's sensible.

tommyk
2004-05-17, 21:27
quote:Originally posted by Uncus:

I didn't say anything about the Egyptian religion being sensible or not . . . .



You said theres no sensible reason to 'go back and start worshipping egyptian gods'.

So yes, yes you did say there was something about the religion that wasn't sensible.

Uncus
2004-05-18, 15:35
No, I didn't. There is a difference between what I said and what you are claiming I said.

Uncus
2004-05-18, 15:39
quote:Originally posted by Metalligod:

You fail to realize that Christianity came from the Hebrew religion. Which I pointed out, which did not steal from other religions. You also fail to realize that Myan and many other religions are intertwined.

Jesus of Nazareth was born into the Hebrew culture, but what he taught wasn't based on Judaism, although this happened in a Jewish cultural environment ; he also seems to have been a member of some kind of sect called the Essenes ; so : no, Christianity did not "come from" the Hebrew religion.

Craftian
2004-05-19, 00:24
quote:Originally posted by Metalligod:

The book of Enoch is bible scripture, and both that book and Hebrew back up angeology.

The Book of Enoch isn't canonical.

OblivionShadow
2004-05-19, 02:04
quote:Originally posted by Metalligod:

Some of the Egyptian gods are just angels from Christianity. I've only been able to find one so far. But I've been told there are many others.

The egyptian god Thoth, is an angel named Metatron, Metron, Enoch,and many other names. But this angel/god is the angel, Enoch, in the bible. He is a very powerful angel, he's considered 'the' most powerful, next to Satanial(Satan) that is. He's in the highest order of angels,'The Watcher', also named the 'Grigori, and the Bene Ba Elohim. Which means 'Sons of God. Or 'Gaurdian Sons of God'.

So some of Egyptian worship, is just Christianity. Thusly, showing that people worship in the same religion, but not necessarily the same gods, because they're simply angels.

If anyone decides to look into any of this, you should know that these are also called 'Those that Fell', 'The Fallen angels', or 'The Fallen'. You'll find out that Satan was not/is not evil, according to Christianity, that's a mstranslation. He simply pissed god off by nearly messing up 'God's Plan', whatever that may be.

Don't want to spoil it too much, but the reason these angels 'fell' is because they followed in Satan's footsteps. That is to say, Satan was seduced by a woman, because he and the other angels were simply amazed by humans. They wanted to know what we 'felt'. So they sheathed themselves in flesh and became whatever form they were as angels.

Meaning, angels are sexless, so therefore, when they made themselves flesh. They became whatever sex they resembled. God never told these angels not to physically interact with man. But in the event that they did, they weren't suppose to have sex with them. They knew this, it was somewhat imprinted in them, they just knew it was wrong.

But anyway, Satan couldn't hold himself back any longer and he mated with the most beutiful of the women,(so the angel, Enoch, says.)and the other angels followed after him, taking men and women, as husbands and wives. Some of the human women became pregnant.

They had completely normal looking children, save for the fact that they were angelically beutiful. But these babies didn't stop growing as humans do. They became huge like angels in their natural forms. They became,get this, 'The Titans.

Isn't it strange that Greek myth is also entangled in this. Three absolutely different deistic beleifs, all having some of the same characters.

:sorry had to edit, messed up some words:

[This message has been edited by Metalligod (edited 05-15-2004).]

dude, you seriously need to do a ton of research on both egyptian and greek mythology and religion. first of all, the Titans of the greek religion were not the spawn of angels and humans. the Titans are the embodiment of the natural forces of creation and destruction. the first Titan was Gaia, the mother earth. from her was born Oranos, the dome of the sky. then, born of Gaia and Oranos, was Kronos, the master of time. ofter that it gets very complicated as to the origins of the other Titans. the Greek pantheon of gods was born from Kronos. what happened was a conflict between Kronos and his father, Oranos. Oranos was the ruler of the Titans, a title that Kronos wanted. he found a way to usurp his fathers power and take it for himself. once he established himself as ruler of the Titans, Kronos became paranoid that his own children might do the same to him. so as they were born, one by one, he ate them in order to ensure his reign. his wife, was able to save one of the children. this child was the god known as Zeus. then, as Kronos suspected, Zeus betrayed him and tried to destroy his own father. being unable to do so, Zeus did what he could and locked Kronos and the rest of the Titans in the pits of Tartarus. then from Zeus was born the rest of the Greek pantheon etc.

the other thing is that the Egyptian gods are not fallen angels. for the most obvious reason this is totally impossible for the fact that the egyptian religion was devised many many many many many thousand of years before the birth of Christ, the other major events mentioned in the Holy Bible, and even before the original conception of Christianity. and don't try to argue this point with me, because i actually did my research before making my statement, unlike some people. although i am not comompletely sure about the true origin of the egyptian pantheon, i do know that they are not in any way related to any Christian figure(s). also, Enoch was not an angel, he was a human prophet. something else that i must point out is that the egyptian gods did not follow in satan's footsteps. they did not "fall" because they became enticed by humans nor did they ever have any form of sexual relations with any humans. the closest thing that you will find to this concept is the fact that some of the gods and goddesses, mainly Osiris, Isis, Nephthys, and Set, were at one point human. Osiris was originally the Pharoah in his human life. his jealous brother, Set, killed him and scattered the remaining parts of his body about the kingdom. Osiris' wife, Isis, then set out to find the remains and put them back together. so with the help of her sister, Nephthys, the two of them found the body parts and put Osiris back together. once his body was rebuilt, and his corpse properly buried, his soul ascended to the realm of the gods were he became the god of judgment, the god of the dead, and the ruler of the underworld.

i hope that i have shed some truth on this subject. if anyone has a problem about what i have said, then please be sure to do your research before trying to argue with me and then tell me where you got your info so i can see it for myself.

HempMaster
2004-05-19, 02:38
^^^^^^^ Kudos, EXACTLY what i was going to say. So far everyone has been talking out of there asses...

VampireSlaya
2004-05-19, 11:46
quote:The egyptian god Thoth, is an angel named Metatron, Metron, Enoch,and many other names. But this angel/god is the angel, Enoch, in the bible. He is a very powerful angel, he's considered 'the' most powerful, next to Satanial(Satan) that is. He's in the highest order of angels,'The Watcher', also named the 'Grigori, and the Bene Ba Elohim. Which means 'Sons of God. Or 'Gaurdian Sons of God'.

Ok, Thoth is not Metatron, Metatron is not Enoch.

There are only 2 angels mentioned in the bible - Michael and Gabriel.

Enoch is a man, mentioned in Genesis, and supposedly wrote his own book of the bible, which is now missing (and not very likely in any case, because the first 5 books were written by Moses, long after Enoch's death).

Metatron is considered the most powerful angel, yes, but Satan (Sammael, not Satanial - Satan derives from Shaitan, which translates as enemy) is slated to be killed my Michael in the end battle - so obviously not a rival to Metatron, the most powerful angel!

Metatron is not one of the Grigori - they were destroyed after sleeping with men (creating the Anakim [giants] and the Nephilim [chaotic spawn]) - Metatron is one of the Seraphim, as was Sammael. Repeat, was.

Do some research.

BTW, Satan, in his aspect of 'Shaitan', or enemy, translates more perfectly as Set - the egyptian serpent god of evil and destruction.

Edit:

Even further, Satan is considered evil, not for 'mating with a woman' (where the hell did you get that crap from anyway?), but for making a woman (and then a man) eat from the tree of knowledge of good and evil - by his own choice; and for trying to raise a rebellion against God.

Originally, Sammael was the prince of the seraphim, but the position went to his head, and his pride led him to start the rebellion against God. Once cast out, he tried (successfully) to make humans break the one law God had set for them - not to eat from that one tree.

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Das Gorilla
2004-05-19, 12:03
There are some interesting parallels between the Egyptian Osiris Myth and the story of Jesus Christ's death/ressurection.

http://search.freefind.com/find.html?id=830342&pageid=r&mode=ALL&query=osiris

But Osiris is just so much cooler than Christ (I mean, he carries a crook and flail) so I'd rather worship Osiris myself.

VampireSlaya
2004-05-19, 12:08
There are parallels between any story of someone's resurrection and Jesus.

Even Lazarus - someone Jesus raised himself!

(Gee, duh - I mean they both came back from the dead!)

tommyk
2004-05-19, 12:51
quote:Originally posted by Uncus:

No, I didn't. There is a difference between what I said and what you are claiming I said.

but surely as religions are pretty much all about belief and worship, saying there is no sensible reason to believe in the religion or worship its gods, is pretty much the same as saying the religion isn't sensible?

Uncus
2004-05-19, 13:36
quote:Originally posted by OblivionShadow:

the other thing is that the Egyptian gods are not fallen angels. for the most obvious reason this is totally impossible for the fact that the egyptian religion was devised many many many many many thousand of years before the birth of Christ, the other major events mentioned in the Holy Bible, and even before the original conception of Christianity.

I don't follow your reasoning. Why shouldn't the Egyptian Gods be fallen angels (or other entities belonging to the higher hierarchies) ?

Obviously at the time of the Egyptian gods, they were not known as fallen angels (and that's the only obvious thing, in contradiction to what you are loudly proclaiming). Does this prove, or merely suggest, that they were NOT the selfsame fallen angels (or other entities belonging to the higher hierarchies which in your reasoning would be equally impossible) ?

Uncus
2004-05-19, 13:38
quote:Originally posted by tommyk:

but surely as religions are pretty much all about belief and worship, saying there is no sensible reason to believe in the religion or worship its gods, is pretty much the same as saying the religion isn't sensible?

I am telling you what I said is not the same as what you are trying to make me say.

Uncus
2004-05-19, 13:45
quote:Originally posted by OblivionShadow:

and don't try to argue this point with me, because i actually did my research before making my statement, unlike some people.

Competely wrong argument. Why shouldn't anyone argue with you because you "did your research" ? Does that make you all-knowing ? Does that guarantee that you will always be right ?

tommyk
2004-05-19, 17:33
quote:Originally posted by Uncus:

I am telling you what I said is not the same as what you are trying to make me say.



what did you mean then?

OblivionShadow
2004-05-19, 18:22
quote:Originally posted by Uncus:

I don't follow your reasoning. Why shouldn't the Egyptian Gods be fallen angels (or other entities belonging to the higher hierarchies) ?

Obviously at the time of the Egyptian gods, they were not known as fallen angels (and that's the only obvious thing, in contradiction to what you are loudly proclaiming). Does this prove, or merely suggest, that they were NOT the selfsame fallen angels (or other entities belonging to the higher hierarchies which in your reasoning would be equally impossible) ?



it is not the fact that the egyptian gods were not known as fallen angels but that the idea of angels had not appeared in any region at the time. at this point angels practically didn't exist.

OblivionShadow
2004-05-19, 18:26
quote:Originally posted by Uncus:

Competely wrong argument. Why shouldn't anyone argue with you because you "did your research" ? Does that make you all-knowing ? Does that guarantee that you will always be right ?





because you can't argue with proven fact you moron. first of all i may not be all knowing but i do know enough truth about the subject to argue about it. second of all proven fact can't be disputed.