yeah it would be a pitty that you will enter HELL so i warned you don't thank me

hmm...you make a good argument, what do you propose?

EDIT: You all know I can't spell...

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go to the nearest mosque in your neighbour hood and say shahada

quote:Originally posted by princecharmant1980:

go to the nearest mosque in your neighbour hood and say shahada

Excuse my ignorance, but what does that mean?

shahada=islamic declaration of faith

:

"there is no god but Allah and Mohamed is his prophet"

quote:Originally posted by princecharmant1980:

shahada=islamic declaration of faith

:

"there is no god but Allah and Mohamed is his prophet"

um, no. *eats pork chop and drinks some mgd...* and the muslums practice the insane jewish penis hacing ritual.

quote:Originally posted by NightVision:

um, no. *eats pork chop and drinks some mgd...* and the muslums practice the insane jewish penis hacing ritual.

Overall: 71.1% are circumcised and 28.9% are uncircumcised. In the U.S., 76.5% are circumcised.

Circumcision rates within the U.S.: California: 69.8% Texas: 77.4% New York: 65.0% The South (Alabama, Arkansas, Georgia, Kentucky, Louisiana, Mississippi, South Carolina, Tennessee, Virginia): 83.3%

Conclusion: It is widely said that in the Southern U.S. boys are less likely to be circumcised than elsewhere in the U.S. According to this study, this belief is a myth; the South actually has more circumcisions than elsewhere.

Circumcision rates outside the U.S.: Total: 47.3% Canada: 58.8% United Kingdom: 28.6% Australia: 33.3%



alcohol is bad to health porc also

in fact porc was also prohibited in the bible

circumcision in Islam is simply a tradition of semite origines it was in fact preislamic

it is not a obligatory it's just a cultural

remaining of Ibraham recommondation it's not

like to be muslim you should be circumsized

but it is recommended for Hygienic reasons

circumsized males have 10 times resistance

to catch AIDS

whats hell? and how do i get there?

quote:Originally posted by princecharmant1980:

circumsized males have 10 times resistance

to catch AIDS

How does that work then? Got a source or anything?

princecharmant1980, what does "harram" mean?

I decided to use this opportunity to ask some questions about Islam.

What is the difference between Islam and Christianity? Except the fact that the muslims believe Jesus was one of the prophets, not the son of the God...

And why the muslims can't wear gold stuff?

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Hahaha, i like princecharmant. He adds character to the forums.

...oh yeah, Shahabahada! w00t! haha...

I hope you realise that Allah was one of the idols that Mohammed 'pulled down' in Mecca - he was the moon god, and had a wife and 3 kids in fact.

Please don't leave. Anything non-western/Christian/alien conspiracy/Pagan/mixed-up Bhuddist would be a nice change to this forum

What if I don't have a Mosque near me?

Should I start reading the Koran without the guarantee that I'll understand it all?

quote:Originally posted by Sniper:

princecharmant1980, what does "harram" mean?

I decided to use this opportunity to ask some questions about Islam.

What is the difference between Islam and Christianity? Except the fact that the muslims believe Jesus was one of the prophets, not the son of the God...

And why the muslims can't wear gold stuff?

[This message has been edited by Sniper (edited 05-16-2004).]

Harram means Prohibited ask your questions

i'd be pleased to answer you

quote:Originally posted by Phrensied Rabbits:

What if I don't have a Mosque near me?

Should I start reading the Koran without the guarantee that I'll understand it all?

there are Koran translations available online

you can also ask Muslims scholars in various websites

I've got a Palmer edition, I think.

I'm just not sure I'll understand some of the terms. Are you planning to stick around here and help us out?

quote:Originally posted by Phrensied Rabbits:

I've got a Palmer edition, I think.

I'm just not sure I'll understand some of the terms. Are you planning to stick around here and help us out?

yes

Thank you http://www.totse.com/bbs/smile.gif (http://www.totse.com/bbs/smile.gif)

Oh, and that was a nice comment that you made to that jerk in Politics about not helping him because you want him to go to hell http://www.totse.com/bbs/biggrin.gif (http://www.totse.com/bbs/biggrin.gif) There are a lot of not very nice people here.

princecharmant1980, In your religion does it state that no matter how good you are that if you don't follow it you go to hell?

Actually, yes, it does say that no matter what if you don't follow Islam you ARE going to hell, no matter what.

fuck you asshole its just as bad as any other religion

Well, I think it's pretty considerate of him to offer us a chance http://www.totse.com/bbs/tongue.gif (http://www.totse.com/bbs/tongue.gif)

Charmant, do you know a good board for new people to get acquainted with Islam? I took a look at two, but I'm not sure where to go.

What is your reaction to this:

The Qur‘an is Preserved and Unchanged Revelation from Allah (http://www.studytoanswer.net/myths_ch1.html)

quote:Excerpts from the site:

...

Many Muslims claim that after Mohammed's death, fear that portions of these teachings of Allah would be lost due to battle and deaths of those who had heard the words of Mohammed motivated early Muslim rulers to begin compilation of the revelations which Mohammed claimed to have received. The end result of this compilation, began by Mohammed's successor Abu Bakr, and finished by Caliph Uthman (644-656 AD), is said to be the Qur'an in its present form 4 (though what usually remains unmentioned is that Uthman is reported in the traditions to have also carried out the destruction by fire of all variant readings which did not conform to his compilation.)

The Tangible Evidences

Textual and archaeological evidences, however, do not support these claims. Most of the actual evidence which has been found post-dates Uthman by at least a century, and additionally differs from the present “standard” version of the Arabic Qur’an on a number of points. This divergence is true even for that evidence which is chronologically nearer to this Caliph.

To begin, Muslim scholars claim to have uncovered 7th century copies of the original Quranic manuscript, sent throughout the newly formed Arab Empire by Uthman, these being the Topkapi MSS in Istanbul, and the Samarkand MSS in Tashkent. However, manuscript experts have ruled out that possibility, and instead date these manuscripts as being from the late 8th century, at the earliest. Their reason for doing so is that these two manuscripts were copied in what is known as the Kufic script, a style which originated in the Iraqi city of Kufah and was largely used from the late 8th to the 11th centuries, only gradually finding widespread use in the rest of the Muslim world until it was replaced generally by the Naskh script5.

...

Thus, the Qur'an appears to have had only a marginal effect on the body of Islamic law which was building up in the first centuries of the Arab Empire. Of much greater impact were the popular practice of the people themselves and the expedients of governing needed to manage the new order, and these helped to mold the legal system of Islam in preparation for the eventual Quranic overlay onto the system. In other words, the Qur'an was developed and invested with its authority as "scripture" through a process of evolution in Muslim culture, instead of the traditional view that the Qur'an laid the foundation for Muslim society in the ummah. It was not until the 9th century that the Qur’an began to be invested with the authority with which later Islam would view it.

...

These are just of the things I found interesting, I suggest you read the entire thing.

*takes a gulp of Nazivision's miller and orders some pork chops, medium rare*

Hello I'm an ex-Muslim and I'll answer all your questions from an unbiased point of view.

I see both good and bad in Islam, but once I started thinking for myself, I realized logically that Islam, nor any other religion out there is true nor is the god preached in those religions true.

I've got about 18 years of experience living as a muslim, I was taught pretty much everything but after all that I didn't buy it. So if you have any questions then ask.

Answer me now Paki!

[Your reaction to what I said before]

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quote:Originally posted by Pakistoned:

Hello I'm an ex-Muslim and I'll answer all your questions from an unbiased point of view.

I see both good and bad in Islam, but once I started thinking for myself, I realized logically that Islam, nor any other religion out there is true nor is the god preached in those religions true.

I've got about 18 years of experience living as a muslim, I was taught pretty much everything but after all that I didn't buy it. So if you have any questions then ask.

Ok, does muslims have a judgement day after they die? And if so, would allah be angered at Prince for wishing others to burn in hell, and other such things?

quote:Originally posted by princecharmant1980:

Harram means Prohibited ask your questions

i'd be pleased to answer you

Why for men wearing golden rings or other stuff is harram, and women can wear them?

look i have a suggestion ask all your questions here then i'll collect them and try to make a FAQ out of it .

quote:Originally posted by Phrensied Rabbits:

Well, I think it's pretty considerate of him to offer us a chance http://www.totse.com/bbs/tongue.gif (http://www.totse.com/bbs/tongue.gif)

Charmant, do you know a good board for new people to get acquainted with Islam? I took a look at two, but I'm not sure where to go. http://forums.gawaher.com/

quote:Originally posted by princecharmant1980:

shahada=islamic declaration of faith

:

"there is no god but Allah and Mohamed is his prophet"

I keep telling you -- you're making too many stupid mistakes when trying to fake being Muslim.

Unless you're a recent, recent, recent Western civilization convert (in which case you shouldn't be trying to explain Islam to others like you're one of the grand Ayat Allahs) you're an obvious fake to anybody who knows anything about Islam.

quote:Originally posted by Shiantar:

I keep telling you -- you're making too many stupid mistakes when trying to fake being Muslim.

Unless you're a recent, recent, recent Western civilization convert (in which case you shouldn't be trying to explain Islam to others like you're one of the grand Ayat Allahs) you're an obvious fake to anybody who knows anything about Islam.



name one mistake that i've made and i'm not Shia muslim i'm sunnah i don't worship graves as ayatlah do i worship allah alone

quote:Originally posted by princecharmant1980:

name one mistake that i've made

I'll name three:

First of all, you invoked the name of the Prophet Muhammmad (may peace be unto him) and invoking any prophet's name without proper respect to them is disrespectful.

Secondly, you did an incomplete explanation of Islamic shehaada: There is no God but Allah, and Muhammad is his prophet; and there is no religion except Al-Islam

Thirdly, in trying to explain shehaada as the first pillar of Islam you passed off Islam as being simpler than it is -- have you forgotten the other four (essential)pillars of Islam?

1) Salat (prayer, including both the ritual ablutions of wudu and praying the complete muezzin (Fajr, Zuhr, Asr, Maghrib, and Isha));

2)Sawn (fasting during Rhamadan);

3)Zakat (the giving of alms to the poor); and

4)Hajj (the pilgrimage to Mecca for those that are able)

Arguably the sixth pillar is Jihad but in the absence of a need for struggle I'm sure Islam could get by on the other five.

quote:Originally posted by princecharmant1980:

http://forums.gawaher.com/

Thank you.

Uhm...I'm not completely sure what you guys are talking about, but I've heard a little bit about some of the things and it really just seems like small things (not to be disrespectful, sorry), but Charmant just seems to be trying to help people and giving brief, layman's (well, in a way) terms to try to get us started off.

I wouldn't try to speak for him, I'm sure I can't defend him as well as he could himself with his knowledge of what's going on, but I'm just saying...

People who are new to this like me can appreciate the simple way in which he describes it all.

quote:Originally posted by Shiantar:

I'll name three:

First of all, you invoked the name of the Prophet Muhammmad (may peace be unto him) and invoking any prophet's name without proper respect to them is disrespectful.



i guess that you are right here but it's not intentional the prophet (may peace be unto him) said:"works are by will"

"al a3mal bi niyate" and Allah only knows that it wasn't intentional.

quote:

Secondly, you did an incomplete explanation of Islamic shehaada: There is no God but Allah, and Muhammad is his prophet; and there is no religion except Al-Islam



well no my brother (since you are muslim) Shahada has many forms the minimal obligatory and the sunnah form like with prayer the Fard (obligation) and Sunnah (like chaf3 and watr)

the minimal one is Ashadu ana la ilaha ila lah wa ana mohamed rassoullou lah

"there is no god but allah and mohhamed is his prophet" and you know there is even a more minimal for you know the story of

Bilal the slave who entered islam he said

"Uhud Uhud" means 1 1 refering to one god

some muslim scolars said that

it's wanted and liked to say after the minimal shahada

the that islam is the only relligion some others say you can add that "ana al akhirata "

the judgement day is a reality

so it depends but the minimal Shahada works ask any Scholar

quote:

Thirdly, in trying to explain shehaada as the first pillar of Islam you passed off Islam as being simpler than it is -- have you forgotten the other four (essential)pillars of Islam?

1) Salat (prayer, including both the ritual ablutions of wudu and praying the complete muezzin (Fajr, Zuhr, Asr, Maghrib, and Isha));

2)Sawn (fasting during Rhamadan);

3)Zakat (the giving of alms to the poor); and

4)Hajj (the pilgrimage to Mecca for those that are able)

Arguably the sixth pillar is Jihad but in the absence of a need for struggle I'm sure Islam could get by on the other five.

here again brother when Mohamed (may peace be unto him) started to teach Islam he began with the Unicity of Allah (Tawhide)

the other things came after in fact do you know the Hadith that says i don't remember the exact Hadith but the prophet (may peace be unto him) said that alah will punish bad muslims in hell like kafirs but when they will be punished (this can take thousands of years) Allah almighty will say to his angels

Take out from hell whoever said "there is no god but allah"

unicity is the most important thing some muslims pray fast and do all the obligation but still do Grave worshiping saint invocation black Magic

and all forms of polytheisme

of course other stuff are important i don't deny it but when you begin to advertise for a relligion you start by the philosophy behind it why it is different from other relligions the main difference is Monotheisme god has no associates or son or holly ghost this is the main idea of Islam

in priority and then when the people accepts the Idea behind Islam and are willing to know more you tell them more this is how (Da3wa )works and many people who works in spreading of Islam are fellowing the same

Methodologie

to tell someone to change his relligion is like tellong him to stop smoking it should be done step by step convince him the differences what he should accept and then

let him think for himself most new reverters to Islam took many months of meditation we shouldn't tell them too much things at once

so that they can think about everything and meditate on it

and yes i agree that other pillars are important and i was going to tell them about them when they understand Tawhid and unicity

of Allah almighty

quote:Originally posted by Phrensied Rabbits:

Thank you.

Uhm...I'm not completely sure what you guys are talking about, but I've heard a little bit about some of the things and it really just seems like small things (not to be disrespectful, sorry), but Charmant just seems to be trying to help people and giving brief, layman's (well, in a way) terms to try to get us started off.

I wouldn't try to speak for him, I'm sure I can't defend him as well as he could himself with his knowledge of what's going on, but I'm just saying...

People who are new to this like me can appreciate the simple way in which he describes it all.

yes that's what i wana do step by step thanks for explaining to others

i apreciate that

quote:Originally posted by princecharmant1980:

well no my brother (since you are muslim)

Muslim?

Me?

What on earth would give you that idea?

quote:Originally posted by Discipulus:

Actually, yes, it does say that no matter what if you don't follow Islam you ARE going to hell, no matter what.

Well doesn't that sounds like a fucked up religion???

always,

bite_me

quote:Originally posted by Shiantar:

Muslim?

Me?

What on earth would give you that idea?

u seem to know pretty well

quote:Originally posted by Shiantar:

Muslim?

Me?

What on earth would give you that idea?

quote:Originally posted by princecharmant1980:

u seem to know pretty well

http://www.totse.com/bbs/smile.gif (http://www.totse.com/bbs/smile.gif) I'll let you in on a little secret:

(ahem)

I'm an engineer, and that means that all other things being equal, I have to make myself knowledgeable about anything that matters in the world.

Seeing as how a lot of people are religious, I find myself pondering over a lot of religious issues and dialogues, if for no other reason than to achieve what any right-minded engineer wants to achieve -- understanding.

I know a lot about the various rites of many of the major religions on the face of this earth.

I've heard and read about them all -- Christianity (Catholicism, Protestantism, Lutheranism, the Greek Orthodoxy, the Eastern Orthodoxy, Baptism, Unitarianism, Anglicanism, Mormonism, and those of the Jehovah's witnesses) ... Judaism (Orthodox, Hasidic, Ashkenazi, Karaite, Sephardic, Reform, and Reconstructionist) ... Islam (Sunnah, Shia, and the sometimes separate Sufi, Bektashi, Ibadhi, Wahhabi, and Brelvi) ... the Hindus, the Sikhs, the Buddhists, the Shintoists, the polytheistic Pagans and so on, and on, and on ...

What gets me about the whole deal is that you really can't subscribe to the beliefs of one organized religion without disavowing all the others and thus being condemned by the other (n-1) organized religions to an afterlife of eternal damnation or substandard reincarnation.

So I, myself, do exactly what I think is reasonable under the circumstances: I believe nothing.

Nothing at all.

I don't even know if God(s)/(esses) exist.

I certainly can't prove to my satisfaction, affirmatively or negatively, what exists or doesn't.

In the absence of any convincing arguments or testimony or evidence to support a particular course of action or thought or belief, I also do what I think is reasonable under those circumstances: I behave like a nice guy.

That's all. I behave myself like a nice guy. I try to be honest, honorable, thoughtful, generous, humble, intelligent person. I obey the laws of the land (which, for the most part, seem to keep people behaving nicely and fairly to each other, and seem to be founded -- on a practical basis -- on principles which leave a warm sensation in my chest rather than a cold one).

And I don't know what's waiting for me in the afterlife -- really I don't.

If some entity wants to look at my life (which, I'll admit, has had its less-than-shining moments and some which were stellar) and judge me, that's fine.

Ever heard of what went on between Archbishop Thomas More and King Henry XIII ? I can see that possiblity too, in the afterlife.

Some God might think that I was an OK guy, but if he wants to fling me into the abyss because I didn't mouth a few words saying I believed in him and whatever else he happened to fancy, I'll probably just do the following:

I'll shrug, and say, "How was I supposed to know?"

quote:Originally posted by Shiantar:

http://www.totse.com/bbs/smile.gif (http://www.totse.com/bbs/smile.gif) I'll let you in on a little secret:

(ahem)

I'm an engineer, and that means that all other things being equal, I have to make myself knowledgeable about anything that matters in the world.

Seeing as how a lot of people are religious, I find myself pondering over a lot of religious issues and dialogues, if for no other reason than to achieve what any right-minded engineer wants to achieve -- understanding.

I know a lot about the various rites of many of the major religions on the face of this earth.

I've heard and read about them all -- Christianity (Catholicism, Protestantism, Lutheranism, the Greek Orthodoxy, the Eastern Orthodoxy, Baptism, Unitarianism, Anglicanism, Mormonism, and those of the Jehovah's witnesses) ... Judaism (Orthodox, Hasidic, Ashkenazi, Karaite, Sephardic, Reform, and Reconstructionist) ... Islam (Sunnah, Shia, and the sometimes separate Sufi, Bektashi, Ibadhi, Wahhabi, and Brelvi) ... the Hindus, the Sikhs, the Buddhists, the Shintoists, the polytheistic Pagans and so on, and on, and on ...

What gets me about the whole deal is that you really can't subscribe to the beliefs of one organized religion without disavowing all the others and thus being condemned by the other (n-1) organized religions to an afterlife of eternal damnation or substandard reincarnation.

So I, myself, do exactly what I think is reasonable under the circumstances: I believe nothing.

Nothing at all.

I don't even know if God(s)/(esses) exist.

I certainly can't prove to my satisfaction, affirmatively or negatively, what exists or doesn't.

In the absence of any convincing arguments or testimony or evidence to support a particular course of action or thought or belief, I also do what I think is reasonable under those circumstances: I behave like a nice guy.

That's all. I behave myself like a nice guy. I try to be honest, honorable, thoughtful, generous, humble, intelligent person. I obey the laws of the land (which, for the most part, seem to keep people behaving nicely and fairly to each other, and seem to be founded -- on a practical basis -- on principles which leave a warm sensation in my chest rather than a cold one).

And I don't know what's waiting for me in the afterlife -- really I don't.

If some entity wants to look at my life (which, I'll admit, has had its less-than-shining moments and some which were stellar) and judge me, that's fine.

Ever heard of what went on between Archbishop Thomas More and King Henry XIII ? I can see that possiblity too, in the afterlife.

Some God might think that I was an OK guy, but if he wants to fling me into the abyss because I didn't mouth a few words saying I believed in him and whatever else he happened to fancy, I'll probably just do the following:

I'll shrug, and say, "How was I supposed to know?"

regardless of your believes i congratulate you for your knowledge most people here don't read books you seem to have a good general culture i wish people here were like you

No thanks I'd rather go to hell then to be a slave.

i think white people should believe in islam, but not practice it. If were nothing but blue eyed devils, it perfectly justifies us killing other groups of people off through genocide. With christianity, we have no excuse. Just accept being a white devil, you'll never feel guilty again.

quote:Originally posted by princecharmant1980:

regardless of your believes i congratulate you for your knowledge most people here don't read books you seem to have a good general culture i wish people here were like you

And, regardless of your beliefs, I congratulate you on your efforts thus far. I can only suggest that you study up on English grammar in the hopes that it might bridge the gap between your culture and others.

As for spreading the faith -- I'm sure your intentions are good but you've probably yet to realize that a lot of us Westerners are quite comfortable being what we are (even if it's agnostic or atheist) and we usually regard attempts to change that as presumptuous and somewhat invasive.

I am an atheist. Look, If god is so powerfull and omnipotent then he can stop me from posting this message. Therefor if god is almighty and omnipotent he'll/she'll stop this post from reaching the message board.

hey its YOUR HELL, YOU BURN IN IT!!!!

^

That's actually a nice original reply. One of the few on this forum to make me laugh recently http://www.totse.com/bbs/smile.gif (http://www.totse.com/bbs/smile.gif)

why is it a fucked up idea that you are going to hell unless you follow the faith. Any GOOD christian knows it is the same in the christianity. and do not even give me that shit about good works getting you into heaven. there is one path and without that, no works will save you from hell! so why is it fucked up?

quote:Any GOOD christian knows it is the same in the christianity.

And any smart christian, who reads his bible, knows that only Satan goes to the lake of fire - everyone else just dies, except for christians, who get their eternity of celebration.

quote:Originally posted by freaker:

why is it a fucked up idea that you are going to hell unless you follow the faith. Any GOOD christian knows it is the same in the christianity. and do not even give me that shit about good works getting you into heaven. there is one path and without that, no works will save you from hell! so why is it fucked up?

So...the only reason you're a Christian is so don't go to hell? That's pretty greedy and self-possessed of you.

I mean, you not only said that, but you proclaimed that you don't even make an attempt to do good. You're one evil little slap, aren't you?

Prince, I have a few questions.

When doing Wudu in the shower in the morning, is the water that drips onto another body part after having been used to cleanse another one classified as used water, or does it only become used after a person is through with it?

Allah Subhanahu Wa Ta'ala? What does that mean?

Is Allah (SWT) an abreviation for that?

The Prophet Muhammad (P)?

I guess I can't remember any other questions right now. Thanks http://www.totse.com/bbs/biggrin.gif (http://www.totse.com/bbs/biggrin.gif)

Oh yeah, listening to a lecture by Shaykh Husain Abdul Sattar, he said something about facing a certain direction while you sleep, or sleeping in a cross-legged position sitting up facing a place. It didn't sound anything like Makkah, but I'm not sure with the accent difference. http://www.totse.com/bbs/confused.gif (http://www.totse.com/bbs/confused.gif)

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quote:Originally posted by Shiantar:

And, regardless of your beliefs, I congratulate you on your efforts thus far. I can only suggest that you study up on English grammar in the hopes that it might bridge the gap between your culture and others.

As for spreading the faith -- I'm sure your intentions are good but you've probably yet to realize that a lot of us Westerners are quite comfortable being what we are (even if it's agnostic or atheist) and we usually regard attempts to change that as presumptuous and somewhat invasive.

i hate English it's just because it helps you get a Job

quote:Originally posted by Phrensied Rabbits:

So...the only reason you're a Christian is so don't go to hell? That's pretty greedy and self-possessed of you.

I mean, you not only said that, but you proclaimed that you don't even make an attempt to do good. You're one evil little slap, aren't you?

Prince, I have a few questions.

When doing Wudu in the shower in the morning, is the water that drips onto another body part after having been used to cleanse another one classified as used water, or does it only become used after a person is through with it?

Allah Subhanahu Wa Ta'ala? What does that mean?

Is Allah (SWT) an abreviation for that?

The Prophet Muhammad (P)?

I guess I can't remember any other questions right now. Thanks http://www.totse.com/bbs/biggrin.gif (http://www.totse.com/bbs/biggrin.gif)

Oh yeah, listening to a lecture by Shaykh Husain Abdul Sattar, he said something about facing a certain direction while you sleep, or sleeping in a cross-legged position sitting up facing a place. It didn't sound anything like Makkah, but I'm not sure with the accent difference. http://www.totse.com/bbs/confused.gif (http://www.totse.com/bbs/confused.gif)

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i'll stop posting here since you are the only interested my mail is justcause4ever@hotmail.com

http://www.totse.com/bbs/frown.gif (http://www.totse.com/bbs/frown.gif)

There are plenty of people here who could use your help, there must be!

wait up a second, are some of you actually saying that you think people of all faiths are rewarded in heaven for your good works. I don't care if you won the nobel prize. If you did not know god you are going to hell.

and don't give me any of those intellectual hoops to jump through, I believe in the bible and the church which come from god, not your flawed human reason.

Vampireslaya, I commend you. That is actualy true. And, id rather die permenantly than be a slave to some god. Fuck that.

Don't stop posting...please!

quote:Originally posted by Phrensied Rabbits:

http://www.totse.com/bbs/frown.gif (http://www.totse.com/bbs/frown.gif)

There are plenty of people here who could use your help, there must be!

i prefer to help one person who is willing to understand than a bunch of flamers

quote:Originally posted by princecharmant1980:

regardless of your believes i congratulate you for your knowledge most people here don't read books you seem to have a good general culture i wish people here were like you

Am I the only one who finds irony in this? I can't be can I?

Freaker,

31"When the Son of Man comes in his glory, and all the angels with him, he will sit on his throne in heavenly glory. 32All the nations will be gathered before him, and he will separate the people one from another as a shepherd separates the sheep from the goats. 33He will put the sheep on his right and the goats on his left.

34"Then the King will say to those on his right, 'Come, you who are blessed by my Father; take your inheritance, the kingdom prepared for you since the creation of the world. 35For I was hungry and you gave me something to eat, I was thirsty and you gave me something to drink, I was a stranger and you invited me in, 36I needed clothes and you clothed me, I was sick and you looked after me, I was in prison and you came to visit me.'

37"Then the righteous will answer him, 'Lord, when did we see you hungry and feed you, or thirsty and give you something to drink? 38When did we see you a stranger and invite you in, or needing clothes and clothe you? 39When did we see you sick or in prison and go to visit you?'

40"The King will reply, 'I tell you the truth, whatever you did for one of the least of these brothers of mine, you did for me.'

41"Then he will say to those on his left, 'Depart from me, you who are cursed, into the eternal fire prepared for the devil and his angels. 42For I was hungry and you gave me nothing to eat, I was thirsty and you gave me nothing to drink, 43I was a stranger and you did not invite me in, I needed clothes and you did not clothe me, I was sick and in prison and you did not look after me.'

44"They also will answer, 'Lord, when did we see you hungry or thirsty or a stranger or needing clothes or sick or in prison, and did not help you?'

45"He will reply, 'I tell you the truth, whatever you did not do for one of the least of these, you did not do for me.'

46"Then they will go away to eternal punishment, but the righteous to eternal life."

-Matt 25

quote:Originally posted by Aphelion Corona:

Am I the only one who finds irony in this? I can't be can I?

yeah this will be funnier when you will burn in Hell

Sorry, but Islam is even less credible than teenage "Satanism", if that's possible.

yes works are a good part of a religious life, however they mean shit if they do not have a base of faith.

quote:Originally posted by princecharmant1980:

yeah this will be funnier when you will burn in Hell

Astaghfirullah! You are not Allah, you don't know if he is going to Hell.

quote:Originally posted by princecharmant1980:

yeah this will be funnier when you will burn in Hell

Who do you think you are?? How dare you tell us that if we don't follwo islam we're goin to hell? Well i'm sorry, but maybe some of us prefer to be of proper religions, not just some fucked up bs anyway. And if islam is the true religion of god and is the good religion, why does it say in the koran a muslim will get promised eternal life if they kill Jews or enslave Christians. and if you don't believe me, check this site out.

http://www.geocities.com/dairyman88dsfdsfds/



always,

bite_me

quote:FACT:

90%-95% OF ALL THE CONFLICTS ON THIS PLANET TODAY INVOLVE MUSLIMS FIGHTING NON-MUSLIMS OR EACH OTHER!

Where did you find this? This is ridiculous. yes it involves fighting, but who started it? Israelis moved into Palestine and started terrorizing Palestineans, Serbs started genocide on Bosnian and Albanian Muslims, Russia attacked Afghanistan, USA bombed Afghanistan and Iraq. USA invaded Iraq. USA supported and promoted puppet leaders in Iraq and Iran. Notice how they manipulate the fact? Also note the hidden section betwee verse 9:3 and 9:5. Here is what the cut out from the quote. I have marked it in bold:

quote:[9.3] And an announcement from Allah and His Apostle to the people on the day of the greater pilgrimage that Allah and His Apostle are free from liability to the idolaters; therefore if you repent, it will be better for you, and if you turn back, then know that you will not weaken Allah; and announce painful punishment to those who disbelieve, except to those idolators who have honoured their treaties with you in every detail and aided none against you. With these keep faith, until their treaties have run their term. God loves the righteous.

It's simple. Co-operate and you don't get killed.

quote:Originally posted by freaker:

yes works are a good part of a religious life, however they mean shit if they do not have a base of faith.

...Did you read that?

The more you say, the more you make it clear that the only reason you even pretend to believe in God is so you don't burn, and I don't know if you've ever even read your own religious text, but I don't think any of the majour religions of God leave out the fact that you should help people who need it.

If you were a true member of any faith you wouldn't turn your back on anybody, you snobby little munch!

quote:Originally posted by Phrensied Rabbits:

...Did you read that?

The more you say, the more you make it clear that the only reason you even pretend to believe in God is so you don't burn, and I don't know if you've ever even read your own religious text, but I don't think any of the majour religions of God leave out the fact that you should help people who need it.

If you were a true member of any faith you wouldn't turn your back on anybody, you snobby little munch!

would you be kind to send me your questions to my e mail:

justcause4ever@hotmail.com

i really want to leave this thread most people are not interested even by curiosity

quote:Originally posted by Loc Dogg:

Where did you find this? This is ridiculous. yes it involves fighting, but who started it? Israelis moved into Palestine and started terrorizing Palestineans , Serbs started genocide on Bosnian and Albanian Muslims, Russia attacked Afghanistan, USA bombed Afghanistan and Iraq. USA invaded Iraq. USA supported and promoted puppet leaders in Iraq and Iran. Notice how they manipulate the fact?

It's simple. Co-operate and you don't get killed.

Brilliant. An overcooked dish of stereotypical muslim victimhood, garnished with historical inaccuracies, and served with a side salad of islamofascism.

Now now, Muslims are being oppressed all over the world. Just read http://www.rosenblit.com/CONCERN.htm

quote:Originally posted by Jiproger:

Brilliant. An overcooked dish of stereotypical muslim victimhood, garnished with historical inaccuracies, and served with a side salad of islamofascism.

at least we don't open Haulocost museum all over the world even in antartica

Sorry I took so long, Charmant.

I just got it ready though and I'll send my questions right to you there in the future.

Thank you http://www.totse.com/bbs/biggrin.gif (http://www.totse.com/bbs/biggrin.gif)

Ah yes the world renowned holocaust museum in antartica http://www.totse.com/bbs/rolleyes.gif (http://www.totse.com/bbs/rolleyes.gif) . Just what in the hell are you talking about?

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Perhaps the Zionists milking the holocaust for every tear it is worth to twist public opinion away from their own atrocities?

quote:Originally posted by princecharmant1980:

regardless of your believes i congratulate you for your knowledge most people here don't read books you seem to have a good general culture i wish people here were like you

Said the guy who can't even spell the terms from his own alleged faith. Seriously, are you illiterate, and dictating this to a trained monkey?

Shut the hell up, it's not his first language, asshat.

(And by that I mean English http://www.totse.com/bbs/tongue.gif (http://www.totse.com/bbs/tongue.gif))

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quote:Originally posted by Phrensied Rabbits:

Sorry I took so long, Charmant.

I just got it ready though and I'll send my questions right to you there in the future.

Thank you http://www.totse.com/bbs/biggrin.gif (http://www.totse.com/bbs/biggrin.gif)

i'm the one who should thank you

quote:Originally posted by princecharmant1980:

yeah this will be funnier when you will burn in Hell

OH? WHAT'S THIS? IT SAYS HERE IN THE QUR'AN I'VE NOTHING TO FEAR. READ YOUR OWN DAMN HOLY BOOK YOU IGNORANT LITTLE FUCKER.

Al-Baqara

2:62 Those who believe (in the Qur'an), and those who follow the Jewish (scriptures), and the Christians and the Sabians,- any who believe in Allah and the Last Day, and work righteousness, shall have their reward with their Lord; on them shall be no fear, nor shall they grieve.

Too bad the Jews and Christians don't hold up on that for Muslims, now isn't it?

quote:Originally posted by Aphelion Corona:

OH? WHAT'S THIS? IT SAYS HERE IN THE QUR'AN I'VE NOTHING TO FEAR. READ YOUR OWN DAMN HOLY BOOK YOU IGNORANT LITTLE FUCKER.

Al-Baqara

2:62 Those who believe (in the Qur'an), and those who follow the Jewish (scriptures), and the Christians and the Sabians,- any who believe in Allah and the Last Day, and work righteousness, shall have their reward with their Lord; on them shall be no fear, nor shall they grieve.

this concerns Jews and christians who fellowed their respective prophets and

it means at the time of

Prophet Moses ,David , Joseph ,Solomon....(Peace upon them ) those who didn't

fellow futur prophets like Jesus (peace upon him) or the christians who said

that Jesus is not a simple prophet but the son of god will enter Hell

those who deny our prophet Mohammed (Peace upon him) will go also to hell

because we consider all other prophets as monotheist Muslims (Totaly submited to Allah)

so Mohammed is the last prophet and Islam is the continuity of former Prophets message

so Islam is the only relligion that Remains .

in Quran

surat Al imrane Allah says:

3:19.The Religion before God is Islam (submission to His Will): Nor did the People of

the Book dissent therefrom except through envy of each other, after knowledge had come

to them. But if any deny the Signs of God, God is swift in calling to account.

So prince, if your islam religion is wrong and the christians are right, your still going to hell. And if the Jews are right your still going to hell for worshiping a false god, so i hope that christians, jews and islam are all wrong.

Sorry, I have a hard time following a religion that teaches female inferiority, religious intolerance, to not drink wine(but hey, you drink lots of it in heaven supposedly...), which was started by a militant who married a 9 year old. All so you can go to heaven to have sex with virgin girls and 2 young boys...WOW. haha

quote:Originally posted by KikoSanchez:

Sorry, I have a hard time following a religion that teaches female inferiority, religious intolerance, to not drink wine(but hey, you drink lots of it in heaven supposedly...), which was started by a militant who married a 9 year old. All so you can go to heaven to have sex with virgin girls and 2 young boys...WOW. haha

Women were sold in europe in bordelos until 19th century wake up in fact until now

because of porn industry and sex busness

you the west is importing whores from poor countries and of course you never heard that Jewish Rabbis allow sex with a 3 years girl

and the Age of concent in the US was from 9 to 12 in some states in 19th century too and what's worng about having sex with 72 virgins in heaven!???and the boys in heaven will be slaves who will serve us food and drink that's all and besides only heteros will go to heaven Fags are not allowed there

quote:Originally posted by Phrensied Rabbits:

Perhaps the Zionists milking the holocaust for every tear it is worth to twist public opinion away from their own atrocities?

Errm, perhaps you should visit Auschwitz. Then we'll see how you change your opinion. Don't reply to this post, just promise me you'll visit Auschwitz before you ever say that again.

quote:Originally posted by princecharmant1980:

[QUOTE]Originally posted by KikoSanchez:

[b]and of course you never heard that Jewish Rabbis allow sex with a 3 years girl



Will you please stop saying that. Whoever told you that was true lied. Just repeating it doesn't make it true, so please shut the fucking hell up.

quote:Originally posted by Aphelion Corona:

Errm, perhaps you should visit Auschwitz. Then we'll see how you change your opinion. Don't reply to this post, just promise me you'll visit Auschwitz before you ever say that again.

That's exactly what I'm talking about.

Whaaa Whaaa Whaa

Or maybe I should be careful, the big whiney Israelis might come to shut us up. http://www.rense.com/general52/aga.htm

quote:Originally posted by Aphelion Corona:

Errm, perhaps you should visit Auschwitz. Then we'll see how you change your opinion. Don't reply to this post, just promise me you'll visit Auschwitz before you ever say that again.

i'm thinking about helping you Open a holocaust museum in Antartica the moon and Mars so that more people including penguins will mourn with you and of course you didn't heard about the Jew Bankier (of russian Origines) in switzerland who

made money laundry for Hitler .

Money taken from the Jews you worship only one thing Money and i didn't lie about the 3 years old girl i can give you the source.

Ick.

<tangent>

two blokes in South Africa recently got charged for raping a baby that was a few months old.

</tangent>

Prince, you are a racist fuck and you see nothing wrong with your racism, you spout it as if it empowers you; you do not feel bad for your sin, so according to your own beliefs, YOU will be burning in Hell.

Have fun with that piece; don't bother replying, you're retarded so I'm not reading anymore of your stupid shit.

He's not racist, he loves his brothers and doesn't want to see their enemies slaughter and mutilate them anymore.

pog mo thoin, fascists!

Hitler killed millions of others besides Jews. He killed Germans who wouldn't go along with him. My family even though Danish has found a home in Germany and apoted German culture and then they were threatened by the Nazis. They left with guns pointed at their backs because they wouldn't turn in friends.

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prince i would like the source

quote:Originally posted by Hexadecimal:

Prince, you are a racist fuck and you see nothing wrong with your racism, you spout it as if it empowers you; you do not feel bad for your sin, so according to your own beliefs, YOU will be burning in Hell.

Have fun with that piece; don't bother replying, you're retarded so I'm not reading anymore of your stupid shit.

who cares if you read it or not when the Judgement days comes you will regret that you didn't read more and if hating some Jews who wana rule the world by proxy and by exagerating the haulocost is racism then i'm racist

quote:Originally posted by CBaoth:

prince i would like the source

http://www.answering-christianity.com/age3.htm



and some American links if you don't believe the Islamic one

http://www.ageofconsent.com/comments/numberone.htm

http://atlanta.indymedia.org/newswire/display_any/19703/index.php

and google search results:

http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&lr=&ie=UTF-8&q=Babylonian+Talmud+A+maiden+aged+3+years+and+a+da y+may+

[This message has been edited by princecharmant1980 (edited 05-25-2004).]

You can burn in the hell your own mind has deluded you into believing exists. Your religion is one giant fucking lie stolen by a pedophiliac warmongerer from his own mental delusions and Christianity, which stole from Judaism and countless pagan religions. Your religion is a complex lie too big for your weak mind to figure out. Go ahead, keep ignoring the truth by telling me I'm going to burn in hell; I'll be seeing you in a few thousand years when some of the elements of my rotted corpse and some of yours happen to be part of the same object. There is nothing more, your life has no meaning, end it now, it's your only hope.

I thought Christians and Jews were "people of the book"...?

quote:Originally posted by Hexadecimal:

You can burn in the hell your own mind has deluded you into believing exists. Your religion is one giant fucking lie stolen by a pedophiliac warmongerer from his own mental delusions and Christianity, which stole from Judaism and countless pagan religions. Your religion is a complex lie too big for your weak mind to figure out. Go ahead, keep ignoring the truth by telling me I'm going to burn in hell; I'll be seeing you in a few thousand years when some of the elements of my rotted corpse and some of yours happen to be part of the same object. There is nothing more, your life has no meaning, end it now, it's your only hope.

i tought you are not interested in my Posts ?!!and hell does exist GOD can kill you and recreate you do you think that Humans found all the physical and Natural Laws no my dear there are things still undiscovered like why Death ocures why a man create a living thing from Organic matters this is what proove the God existance can you create a living thing even a Cell ?to proove that God does not exist .God does exist because we still don't know what makes living things living.



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quote:Originally posted by inquisitor_11:

I thought Christians and Jews were "people of the book"...?

they are if they don't attack us all the time the people of the book are Jews and Christians who live under a Muslim regime

but they still go to hell because they rejected the continuity of their own faith by not fellowing the Last prophet Mohammed Peace Upon him not those who occupie Iraq and Palestine.

quote:Originally posted by princecharmant1980:

Originally posted by inquisitor_11:

I thought Christians and Jews were "people of the book"...?

they are if they don't attack us all the time the people of the book are Jews and Christians who live under a Muslim regime

but they still go to hell because they rejected the continuity of their own faith by not fellowing the Last prophet Mohammed Peace Upon him not those who occupie Iraq and Palestine.



Does the Koran say that? The info i've got from the Islamic Council in Australia doesn't seem to mention that (although if it were the case i doubt i'd promote it either)

quote:Originally posted by inquisitor_11:

Does the Koran say that? The info i've got from the Islamic Council in Australia doesn't seem to mention that (although if it were the case i doubt i'd promote it either)

yeah affraid of being called terrorists

the fact is that we are in self defence situation.

You're really fucking ignorant of your own religion, aren't you? I'm a middle class, white American with no formal education past highschool, AND am atheist...supposedly the most ignorant form of human to exist, and I know more about your religion then you do. Your own fucking texts tell you that Christians and Jews worship the same God as you, just that their beliefs are not complete, and so long as they treat the completed system (Islam) with the respect and reverence they would treat their own, they are welcome in Allah's kingdom. Eat shit and die; you're ignorant of your own religion, and at that, most likely others.

quote:Originally posted by princecharmant1980:

yeah affraid of being called terrorists

the fact is that we are in self defence situation.

What's the matter? 180 to 1 odds not good enough for ya?

ok dudes ...lets all worship allah....NOT what actual PROOFhard evidence is there of nething miraculous happening in islam...ishall wait...and then die bcus u wont find nething...for miracles u need a god...not sum figment of sum1s imagination....btw i think muhammad must hav discovered lsd it would explain all of his "dreams" where he met the angel and all dont ya think?

quote:Originally posted by Hexadecimal:

You're really fucking ignorant of your own religion, aren't you? I'm a middle class, white American with no formal education past highschool, AND am atheist...supposedly the most ignorant form of human to exist, and I know more about your religion then you do. Your own fucking texts tell you that Christians and Jews worship the same God as you, just that their beliefs are not complete, and so long as they treat the completed system (Islam) with the respect and reverence they would treat their own, they are welcome in Allah's kingdom. Eat shit and die; you're ignorant of your own religion, and at that, most likely others.

Islam tells us to treath people of the book nicely (of course they should pay some extra tax called Jizya)if they live under our domination but if they attack us we should punish them.These Coranic texts talks Islamic rule in an Islamic state so your argument is invalid.

Oh yeah, I forgot, your holy books directly contradict eachother. One passage tells you to respect your brothers (those who worship the same God as you), despite their difference in methods of worship as if they were under the same doctrine as you, yet another one tells you to respect them only if they subvert themselves directly to your rule. Ah, good 'ol contradictions. Have fun regressing into ad hoc explanations as you move further and further away from a sane explanation.

quote:Originally posted by princecharmant1980:

God does exist because we still don't know what makes living things living.



Is God your name for mystery? Has he not explained to you "what makes living things living"? Is this revelation not in the Koran? Does he not know?

Namaste http://www.totse.com/bbs/smile.gif (http://www.totse.com/bbs/smile.gif)

quote:Originally posted by Hexadecimal:

Oh yeah, I forgot, your holy books directly contradict eachother. One passage tells you to respect your brothers (those who worship the same God as you), despite their difference in methods of worship as if they were under the same doctrine as you, yet another one tells you to respect them only if they subvert themselves directly to your rule. Ah, good 'ol contradictions. Have fun regressing into ad hoc explanations as you move further and further away from a sane explanation.

look man Islam is a relligion and an Ideology i made it clear we are ordered to

be nice with "PEOPLE of the BOOK" if they don't show rivality or any sign of violence against us and if they live under our islamic domination of course they should pay Jizya because they are infidels concerning people of the book who are not under our control they should be converted to Islam by all possible means peacefully or by war of course if a state don't want to enter Islam it should pay Jizya too each year this system has prooven that it's efficacity since in 17th century many moroccan Jews entered Islam just because they didn't want to pay Jizya they weren't true muslims but their grand sons are 100% muslims now.

hey look a misogynist fag (Prince circumcision)!

what a coincidence. women get treated like garbage all over the world, but only islamics make them literally walk around in garbage bags. oh I get it the arabs love women that's why they have no rights and have to do everything the men order them to do. because they don't have any options, they are free... yeah it's paradise over there! the women don't have to worry about the beauty industry and fashion magazines because they're all forced to dress like ninjas

Lokil, you've said something sensible! Perhaps there is hope!

quote:Originally posted by Lokil:

hey look a misogynist fag (Prince circumcision)!

what a coincidence. women get treated like garbage all over the world, but only islamics make them literally walk around in garbage bags. oh I get it the arabs love women that's why they have no rights and have to do everything the men order them to do. because they don't have any options, they are free... yeah it's paradise over there! the women don't have to worry about the beauty industry and fashion magazines because they're all forced to dress like ninjas

Female Leaders in the world:

1)Bangladesh 2 WPM

dominating country relligion ISlam

2)Pakistan 1 WPM dominating relligion Islam

3)Turkey 1 WPM dominating relligion Islam

4)Indonesia 1 WP dominating relligion Islam

5)the US 0 WP dominating relligion christianity

of course you win in Prostitution and Porn

if you consider this as women Rights!

Why wouldn't they be? If some chick wants to, of her own volition, spread her meat curtains and take a bow for the camera, why the hell not?

"5)the US 0 WP dominating relligion christianity"

I would heavily dispute the US having a dominant religion anymore. Also, you're attempting to attribute something to religion that is due more to social comfort. Our country has been relatively comfortable with only male leaders. Also, here's a cock for you to suck on: Our nation is barely over 200 years old, and we are already having women run for President. Most of the Muslim countries have been Muslim for thousands of years and not a single one can claim more than 2 female leaders.

princecharmant1980, if we discuss islam, could you comment on this link I've found:

http://www.hardcoretalk.com/ubb/ultimatebb.php?ubb=get_topic;f=25;t=001099

mmm pork and pork products......... I think ill keep my pork.

quote:Originally posted by Sniper:

princecharmant1980, if we discuss islam, could you comment on this link I've found:

http://www.hardcoretalk.com/ubb/ultimatebb.php?ubb=get_topic;f=25;t=001099

what's wrong in killing infidels and having virgins in heaven i don't see anything wrong

in all our history muslims were better when they killed infidels and saved them from Hell when muslims stoped infidels attacked us killing infidels is a part of our values

i don't deny it.

quote:Originally posted by princecharmant1980:

what's wrong in killing infidels and having virgins in heaven i don't see anything wrong

in all our history muslims were better when they killed infidels and saved them from Hell when muslims stoped infidels attacked us killing infidels is a part of our values

i don't deny it.



Hey so perhaps i should start going around killing every fuckin towelhead muslim shit, huh? It's the same thing, isn't it, Prince? you fuckin cock.

quote:Originally posted by princecharmant1980:

what's wrong in killing infidels and having virgins in heaven i don't see anything wrong

in all our history muslims were better when they killed infidels and saved them from Hell when muslims stoped infidels attacked us killing infidels is a part of our values

i don't deny it.

... killing people just because they are not muslims is bullshit.

Killing anyone because he/she follows another religion or has another point of view is bullshit.

"killed infidels and saved them from hell?" so you mean by killing someone you save him/her?

Prince, it is bullshit. It is wrong.

Just wrap a towel round me forehead and call me Osama!!!!!!!!!!!!

quote:Originally posted by princecharmant1980:

(...)killing infidels is a part of our values i don't deny it.

These are your words, am I right?

quote:Originally posted by RandomHerokillsTerrorist:

Just wrap a towel round me forehead and call me Osama!!!!!!!!!!!!

hahaha, good one.

I thought it was wrong for muslims to commit suicide?

http://www.faithfreedom.org/Quran.htm