I think they do. From big things to small things i usually have to deal with something or someone more than once. People i knew briefly in the past have came back to become a bigger part of my life. All kinds of stuff.

Anyone else have similiar experences or have opinions?

I think you're just recognizing patterns. Some things will, some won't.

I think they do. It might just be because people wan't to help you out or make sure you are punished, but things normally do.

Only the stuff that you dont want to come back actually does. Life's a kick in the nads.

No, nothing comes full circle. You only perceive it as such. The theory of fate is a joke...now get me off this island!

The theory of fate a joke? You think free will exists? You think you're not just an organic system of cause and effect? If you reply to this or not (I don't know which it will be, though it can't be any different than what it will be, nobody has any say in the matter), your reply will be what it is not due to your free thoughts, but because your thoughts are enslaved to chemical processes that you have no control over, that are not truly random, and under the same circumstances would be the exact same. You have no free will; all there is is fate, and it cannot be avoided.

Oh, yes I understand and believe all of that as well. I know that randomness does not exist in this world. As well, 'free will' can only be perceived as such, never proven.

I guess I just misinterpreted what was meant by 'fate' in this thread. I was afraid it was being said in the same meaning that you might here of it in a romance novel. You know, "Dave and I met at ______ ....it must be fate!" as if there is some mystical 'fate force' that causes things to happen. When in reality Dave and the girl met there because.....well they were both just there at the same fucking time, because that is how it happened and it could be no other way.

Sorry for the misunderstanding.

I think everything is fated. From me meeting every friend i've ever had, to me getting up and getting something to eat after posting this.

i dont believe in fate for a very simple minded, stupid reason. and i know its stupid and simple minded. I dont want to believe that i am not in control of most all my actions. I will do things for a reason usually. i want to believe that my decisions are my own. again, i know this a stupid reason. But i refuse to accpt that my life is not my own.

wow, i sound like a stuck up litle bitch now.....

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quote:Originally posted by Hexadecimal:

your reply will be what it is not due to your free thoughts, but because your thoughts are enslaved to chemical processes that you have no control over, that are not truly random, and under the same circumstances would be the exact same. You have no free will; all there is is fate, and it cannot be avoided.

Well, our mind works using chemical processes to create thought. Without these processes, thought would not be possible. So how, in a world where thought is only possible in a mind 'enslaved to chemical processes', do you even define what free will is? Furthermore, what controls these chemical processes if not us? Physics? then could you say there is no free will due to the physical laws surrounding us?

Not looking to debate, just hoped you could add your thoughts on this.

Jesus ;-)

Satan! http://www.totse.com/bbs/biggrin.gif (http://www.totse.com/bbs/biggrin.gif)

I went to a high school graduation a few nights ago and one kid's name was hey zeus :/

"Well, our mind works using chemical processes to create thought. Without these processes, thought would not be possible. So how, in a world where thought is only possible in a mind 'enslaved to chemical processes', do you even define what free will is?"

Free will, as my definition would be this, "A delusion that evolved to prevent a conscious being from taking its life out of despair". I'm now sure how I defined that, or what caused me to think that, but I sure as hell know I'm not doing this of free will. I have thoughts induced by other thoughts, induced by millions of various attributes, and each of those thoughts I have will lead to various actions that I have no real control over. Sure, I bullshit myself into thinking I have control, but I'm just riding along in life observing what goes on.

"Furthermore, what controls these chemical processes if not us? Physics? then could you say there is no free will due to the physical laws surrounding us?"

Not the laws, but the conditions. The laws just control what conditions are possible, not the conditions themselves.

"Not looking to debate, just hoped you could add your thoughts on this."

I'd say more, but my thoughts on this are relatively few. I try to stay away from dwelling on these thoughts as they get quite depressing.

"Hey Zeus" is spelled Jesus. It's usually a Spanish name, so the J is pronounced like in Jose or Juan.

One irony in most religions is this: if God is onipotent, there is no free will-if he knows exactly everything that is going to happen, then everything has already been decided and there is no way we can at all shape our lives.

That said, I am agnostic and beleive that we can choose what we do and there is no higher power up there controlling anything and anything that happens is purely by chance.