Discuss.

quote:Originally posted by LordPyro:

Discuss.

I'm a jew. http://www.totse.com/bbs/smile.gif (http://www.totse.com/bbs/smile.gif)

I think everybody would be a lot happier if the Zionists had set up New Israel in New Guinea or Madagascar or something, like they'd planned.

That said, Nazi punks fuck off.

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Planned when?

I've never heard anything about the Zionists bugging the powers that be for any place other than Palestine for half a century or more until they got it. Like, when did they ask for any other place? I seriously never heard about that.

quote:Originally posted by Phrensied Rabbits:

Planned when?

I've never heard anything about the Zionists bugging the powers that be for any place other than Palestine for half a century or more until they got it. Like, when did they ask for any other place? I seriously never heard about that.

when zionist Thiodor Hertzl asked the british empire to give him palestine GB proposed at first Uganda but zionist refused

quote:Originally posted by Craftian:

Nazi punks fuck off.

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Africa is the true zion, at least that's what I heard from some burn-out rasta who smelled quite bad.

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2 very good sites.

quote:Originally posted by Phrensied Rabbits:

I've never heard anything about the Zionists bugging the powers that be for any place other than Palestine for half a century or more until they got it. Like, when did they ask for any other place?

I don't think they were begging for it. I mean, there were Jewish people emigrating to Palestine long before it was Israel.

Now that I look it up actually, it was the Nazis who wanted to send the Jews to Madagascar. Whatever; I know that places other than Palestine were suggested for a Jewish homeland.

Interesting...

I'm kind of surprised at first that not more groups ask for a 'homeland', but then of course not every group has such powerfully positioned representatives in western countries...

Oh yes, thank you for your continued help Charmant. I was going to thank you by email, but I didn't want to bother you with something so little as a that.

quote:Originally posted by princecharmant1980:

when zionist Thiodor Hertzl asked the british empire to give him palestine GB proposed at first Uganda but zionist refused



There is always a motive. His motive was to try and piss off as many arabs as possible...

In all seriousness, it's because Uganda isnt the traditional homeland of the Jewish people, whereas Israel is.

you people who believe in zog give the jews way to much credit for obtaining power if they realy do rule the world then i would say they are supperior to you.

quote:Originally posted by Phrensied Rabbits:

Interesting...

I'm kind of surprised at first that not more groups ask for a 'homeland', but then of course not every group has such powerfully positioned representatives in western countries...

Oh yes, thank you for your continued help Charmant. I was going to thank you by email, but I didn't want to bother you with something so little as a that.

just bother me and don't care

quote:Originally posted by Aphelion Corona:

There is always a motive. His motive was to try and piss off as many arabs as possible...

In all seriousness, it's because Uganda isnt the traditional homeland of the Jewish people, whereas Israel is.

if Palestine is your land why did you quit it 2000 years ago look for instance

Native Americans suffered a lot but i never heard that they quit their land to other countries they still exist i'm eager to hear your answer?i'd like also to know why so many young Israelians are quiting Israel for Canada US and Germany?

I think the whole idea of creating a country specifically for people of one religion/race/culture is pretty messed up.

Maybe that's just me.

quote:Originally posted by princecharmant1980:

Originally posted by Aphelion Corona:

There is always a motive. His motive was to try and piss off as many arabs as possible...

In all seriousness, it's because Uganda isnt the traditional homeland of the Jewish people, whereas Israel is.

if Palestine is your land why did you quit it 2000 years ago look for instance

Native Americans suffered a lot but i never heard that they quit their land to other countries they still exist i'm eager to hear your answer?i'd like also to know why so many young Israelians are quiting Israel for Canada US and Germany?



I'm not really sure, but I think that we were driven out of isreal by someone (romans?) , it wasnt on our own volition.

quote:Originally posted by AR-180:

you people who believe in zog give the jews way to much credit for obtaining power if they realy do rule the world then i would say they are supperior to you.

Same goes for people who beleive in illuminati and all the other crap like these. I don't beleive that a single group of people can co-ordinate their actions globally so well as to actually rule the world.

quote:Originally posted by afrodeeziak87:



I'm not really sure, but I think that we were driven out of isreal by someone (romans?) , it wasnt on our own volition.

those who loves their country stay in it and resist and are ready to die for it just eg :Palestinians , Greeks against Othoman empire ,Native americans (even if they suffered more than u )

quote:Originally posted by princecharmant1980:

those who loves their country stay in it and resist and are ready to die for it just eg :Palestinians , Greeks against Othoman empire ,Native americans (even if they suffered more than u )

like all those the palastiens who ran away and then tried to come back post 48 war?

Their whole country was razed to the ground. There wasn't anything to defend especially since the Romans destroyed the temple.

Prince,

If you were threatened with total annihilation, you will look to the future and leave in hope of returning. That's what countless peoples did wordlwide when they were persecuted.

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quote:Originally posted by princecharmant1980:

those who loves their country stay in it and resist and are ready to die for it just eg :Palestinians , Greeks against Othoman empire ,Native americans (even if they suffered more than u )

I guess jews just arent "fervent" enough. that is to say we arent crazy.

the race-mixing jews' homeland should be afirca. they have such an obsession with the apes that fuckit they should be shipped there and see how long they last. and if you dont belive zog rues tthe jewsa then look at hollywood wich controlls the media and how noone ever wants to speek negitivly about isrial. 1488 WPWW

quote:Originally posted by CBaoth:

like all those the palastiens who ran away and then tried to come back post 48 war?

my point is that in all wars there are refugees i agree with this but there are still Palestinian in palestine and even in what you call Israel they were given the Israeli Nationality that they accepted just to stay in their lands even if they are considered 2nd class citizens and the palestinian in west bank and Gaza still exist and live underhuman condition while Jews quit their land Massively not only some of them i don't think that romans are worse than Israelis with Tanks and Planes they just didn't have the balls to defend their land if it is their land.

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By the rivers of Babylon we sat and wept when we remembered Zion. There on the poplars we hung our harps, for there our captors asked us for songs, our tormentors demanded songs of joy; they said, "Sing us one of the songs of Zion!" How can we sing the songs of the Lord while in a foreign land? If I forget you, O Jerusalem, may my right hand forget its skill . May my tongue cling to the roof of my mouth if I do not remember you, if I do not consider Jerusalem my highest joy. Remember, O Lord , what the Edomites did on the day Jerusalem fell. "Tear it down," they cried, "tear it down to its foundations!"

Put simply, we were enslaved.

quote:Originally posted by princecharmant1980:

those who loves their country stay in it and resist and are ready to die for it just eg :Palestinians , Greeks against Othoman empire ,Native americans (even if they suffered more than u )

Uh huh? And I suppose no Israelis have died in the last 55 or so years of constant war? I suppose Israelis had no casualtieds at all eh? I suppose all those "suicide bombings" we hear about and all this "war" never actually happen and it is only Palestinians who die for the land?

Also, for the record, I beleive there were always Jews in that region, only there were Jews everywhere else as well and they gradually came back untill the mass immigration seen recently after the state of Isreal was established. And remember that the Palestinians have only been there for the last 60 years or so anyway-Palestein was founded by the British when they insisted on dividing the Ottoman empire.

quote:Originally posted by ararise:

Uh huh? And I suppose no Israelis have died in the last 55 or so years of constant war? I suppose Israelis had no casualtieds at all eh? I suppose all those "suicide bombings" we hear about and all this "war" never actually happen and it is only Palestinians who die for the land?

Also, for the record, I beleive there were always Jews in that region, only there were Jews everywhere else as well and they gradually came back untill the mass immigration seen recently after the state of Isreal was established. And remember that the Palestinians have only been there for the last 60 years or so anyway-Palestein was founded by the British when they insisted on dividing the Ottoman empire.



Palestinian were always there they are direct descendents of Kannanite people who were there before Jews came .

read the story of Moses and you will see that Moses ordered Jews to fight Kanaanites but they refused by FEAR so they were lost 40 years in Sinai desert.

I severely doubt Palestinians are Canaanites.

quote:Originally posted by princecharmant1980:



Palestinian were always there they are direct descendents of Kannanite people who were there before Jews came .

read the story of Moses and you will see that Moses ordered Jews to fight Kanaanites but they refused by FEAR so they were lost 40 years in Sinai desert.



1) Israelis arent all Jews, in fact, there are a lot of Israeli arabs.

2) Iv'e heard a lot of arguments for Palestinians in my time, but direct descendants of the Caananites? Never heard that one before. Wanna elaborate on this a bit, as you are obviously an expert in ancient history and you know everything about mesopotamian cultures.

3) What has Moses got to do with anything and how does that in any way back-up your point?

quote:Originally posted by ararise:

1) Israelis arent all Jews, in fact, there are a lot of Israeli arabs.

2) Iv'e heard a lot of arguments for Palestinians in my time, but direct descendants of the Caananites? Never heard that one before. Wanna elaborate on this a bit, as you are obviously an expert in ancient history and you know everything about mesopotamian cultures.

3) What has Moses got to do with anything and how does that in any way back-up your point?

i told you the Moses story because Israeli propaganda says a land without people for people without land there were people before Jews came and setled for 200 years or less there then they were too scared to defend it from Romans that shows you that it's not their land Jews have only 2 Nations Money and conspiracies.

and yes Kannanites are semite people when Jews installed their first occupation Kannaanites were still there i never heard of a kannanite immigration in history hence Palestinians are their direct descendents.

I don't really give a shit about who owned what 2000 years ago. You can't just reclaim land you think you owned. It's not as if you had maps or anything. It sounds to me jews just refocused their attention there cause you saw a nice place to live that could be easily taken over for there own race. Which is fascism. Jews tried the same shit in europe. Do you think nazis could develope that much hate without being set off by something. My great grand parents left germany after ww1 because jews were taking over what was left of germany and turning the german citizens into working class only. It's easy to encourage violence from those who are being oppressed. I don't feel sorry for jews killed in suicide bombings. Why should I, you can't ask for peace after starting the war, it doesn't work that way. If someone came into my country and then claimed it for themselves, i'd rip off there head and shit down their throat. Possibly make a bong from there skull depending on my mood. It'd be my civic duty if you ask me. I'm not racist but I do have problems with fascist groups wheather it be jewish extremists,nazis,islamic extremists. I'll accept and respect any group that excepts and respects me.

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quote:Originally posted by princecharmant1980:



Jews came and setled for 200 years or less there then they were too scared to defend it from Romans that shows you that it's not their land Jews have only 2 Nations Money and conspiracies.

Where the fuck are you getting this stuff from? The jews defended very hard, but were beaten by the Roman empire the same as pretty much every other people the Roman empire went up against. Also, i think you'll find it was a lot longer than 200 years. (anyone with good knowledge of the bible wanna say exactly how long it was excluding the 1st six books?)

quote:and yes Kannanites are semite people when Jews installed their first occupation Kannaanites were still there i never heard of a kannanite immigration in history hence Palestinians are their direct descendents.

Still haven't shown me any proof here.

LONG LIVE THE BBN

quote:Originally posted by BaKeD_gOoDs:

I don't really give a shit about who owned what 2000 years ago. You can't just reclaim land you think you owned. It's not as if you had maps or anything. It sounds to me jews just refocused their attention there cause you saw a nice place to live that could be easily taken over for there own race. Which is fascism. Jews tried the same shit in europe. Do you think nazis could develope that much hate without being set off by something. My great grand parents left germany after ww1 because jews were taking over what was left of germany and turning the german citizens into working class only. It's easy to encourage violence from those who are being oppressed. I don't feel sorry for jews killed in suicide bombings. Why should I, you can't ask for peace after starting the war, it doesn't work that way. If someone came into my country and then claimed it for themselves, i'd rip off there head and shit down their throat. Possibly make a bong from there skull depending on my mood. It'd be my civic duty if you ask me. I'm not racist but I do have problems with fascist groups wheather it be jewish extremists,nazis,islamic extremists. I'll accept and respect any group that excepts and respects me.

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well said Jews masters the Art of conspiracies and destorying civilisations their main aim is to Use the rest of the world as their slaves but i wana add that Islamist rextremists are in a position of defence now and the 9/11 was made in CIA

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quote:Originally posted by NightVision:

the race-mixing jews' homeland should be afirca. they have such an obsession with the apes that fuckit they should be shipped there and see how long they last. and if you dont belive zog rues tthe jewsa then look at hollywood wich controlls the media and how noone ever wants to speek negitivly about isrial. 1488 WPWW

You're an idiot. I hope you get caught in a spontaneous rain of glass dust and then fall down a manhole in a town where everyone has really acidic shit.

Regarding the whole Israel situation, I think it could've worked, but the Israeli government are a bunch of assholes. Note: I said the Israeli government, not Jews in general. The Israelis are totally in the wrong, and I think that a whole lot of positive discrimination goes on in their favour because they're jewish, and even despite this I think public opinion is heading against them.

quote:1) Israelis arent all Jews, in fact, there are a lot of Israeli arabs.

You sure? Back it up?

quote:You can't just reclaim land you think you owned. It's not as if you had maps or anything.

I think it's pretty certain that the Jews migrated to Israel. I can't be bothered to find anything to prove it though.

quote:cause you saw a nice place to live that could be easily taken over for there own race.

A. It's not particularly nice, and B. It hasn't been easily taken over, may I divert your attenetion to suicide bombing?

quote:Jews tried the same shit in europe. Do you think nazis could develope that much hate without being set off by something.

They tried the same shit in Europe? What shit would that be then? Yes, I do think Hitler could develop that much hate, what with being a great propagandist, and he was set of by a few individual Jews who he saw as representing what's responsible for the decline of Germany's power. Some say he was literally insane.

quote:My great grand parents left germany after ww1 because jews were taking over what was left of germany and turning the german citizens into working class only.

No, they left because the treaty of versailles (care of Britain, France and the US) fucked Germany up. Jews had nothing to do with it. You are using them as a scapegoat. You're an idiot.

quote:t's easy to encourage violence from those who are being oppressed. I don't feel sorry for jews killed in suicide bombings. Why should I, you can't ask for peace after starting the war, it doesn't work that way.

Idiot.

quote: If someone came into my country and then claimed it for themselves, i'd rip off there head and shit down their throat. Possibly make a bong from there skull depending on my mood. It'd be my civic duty if you ask me.

This is the one point on which we do agree.

quote:I'm not racist

Yes you are.

It may just be the fact that people keep switching my coffee for own brand muck, but these sort of people really piss me off. What the hell happens to them as children?

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quote:Originally posted by sp0rkius:

You sure? Back that up.

Ok, http://www.cia.gov/cia/publications/factbook/geos/is.html

Ethnic groups:

Jewish 80.1% (Europe/America-born 32.1%, Israel-born 20.8%, Africa-born 14.6%, Asia-born 12.6%), non-Jewish 19.9% (mostly Arab) (1996 est.)

Also, a British reporter was shot by Israeli Bedouin arabs a while back in Gaza...

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quote:Originally posted by sp0rkius:

Yes you are.

It may just be the fact that people keep switching my coffee for own brand muck, but these sort of people really piss me off. What the hell happens to them as children?

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from what gheto did you come from?

Brits promised arabs independence, Brits promised Israelis independence but were too damn stupid to know that arabs hate jews... Jews don't deserve Israel because God gave it to them, or the government did...they deserve the land because they have to fight palestinians for it...If palestinians suddenly launch a blitzkrieg and throw the jews into the mediterannean, than Palestinians deserve it because they owned the Israelis. None of this God bullshit, or Jew's ruling the world, its like a tv show, jews have gotten their asked kicked CONSTANTLY by all these other races in the world, and now they found someone to pick on, lets sit back and see what happens.

quote:Originally posted by Hammer&Sickle:

jews have gotten their asked kicked CONSTANTLY by all these other races in the world

And who the hell hasn't?

quote:Originally posted by Phrensied Rabbits:

And who the hell hasn't?

but you complain most

Hello All;

Considering the fact that I am lurker by nature and seldom post to any group I am nevertheless attracted to this particular subject. I notice that most non-Jews seem to have an irrational fear of Jews... why is that? A person could argue for days on "Palestine" and every other topic associated with Jews and be confronted, without fail, with the same crap about "Zog" and the "Protocols"… ad nauseam. It's not like we have a secret ray on the moon controlling all that we see, hear and think… or perhaps that is the truth of it. If that is indeed the case I wish to offer an Anti-Jew-Boogey-Man Talisman, http://zapatopi.net/afdb.html, I hope this helps.

Moe

quote:I think it's pretty certain that the Jews migrated to Israel. I can't be bothered to find anything to prove it though.

In the last 60 years maybe, I'm talking about the 1000's of years ago the Israeli's claim.

quote:A. It's not particularly nice, and B. It hasn't been easily taken over, may I divert your attenetion to suicide bombing?

A. It's the god damn mediteranean stupid, look at a fucken map, it used to be lined with hotels and was a #1 tourist destination for europeans. B. It was taken over with ease just like Iraq, but they still have rebel uprisings.

[QUOTE]They tried the same shit in Europe? What shit would that be then? Yes, I do think Hitler could develop that much hate, what with being a great propagandist, and he was set of by a few individual Jews who he saw as representing what's responsible for the decline of Germany's power. Some say he was literally insane.[QUOTE]

Post war germany was very poor and the banks were broke. Rich jews with old money moved in to start new banks. Unfortunately if you weren't a jew, getting a lone was next to impossible. German citizens got tired of being poor and kept down by the rich jews and rised up started the workers party which then formed the nazi party.facsism fighting facsism.

Being jewish is like a club, if you're not a member you're not welcome. The only way to become a member is to be a child of a member. Don't believe me, try and join a cinagog. Just go in and sit down. That is fascism to the T or is everyone blind. And by the way sp0rkius if your going to call me an idiot you'd better back it up with some good explainations or it's just a personal attack and that's just petty. Think before you speak or eat shit.

quote:Post war germany was very poor and the banks were broke. Rich jews with old money moved in to start new banks. Unfortunately if you weren't a jew, getting a lone was next to impossible.

Uh huh, this is one I've never heard before outside Nazi propaganda in my WWII studies. Source please?

quote:Being jewish is like a club, if you're not a member you're not welcome

Well no, it's a religion-just like other religions.

quote:The only way to become a member is to be a child of a member.

Or to convert. Same as all religions amazingly. So what you're saying is that if you're not a member of the Jewish religion, you're not Jewish. No fuckin shit, someone give this guy an award! he's clearly a genius!

quote:Don't believe me, try and join a cinagog. Just go in and sit down. That is fascism to the T or is everyone blind

Well I doubt they'd let you in if you can't prove you're Jewish, but try and join a church if you're not Christian. Or join a Mosque if you're not muslim. Or join a Hindu temple if you're not Hindu. Basically, saying this is facism is bullshit-it's just not allowing people who don't beleive in your religion into a holy place. I'm sure that if you go to any important big/historical synagogue (not cinagog you idiot) They'd let you have a tour round-like other religious establishments.

quote:And by the way sp0rkius if your going to call me an idiot you'd better back it up with some good explainations or it's just a personal attack and that's just petty. Think before you speak or eat shit.

Well I'm not sporkius, but you're an idiot because you believe in propaganda and use points that don't really prove your case to try and prove it. Also, you make very refutable points with no objective evidence to support them. And I know I'm being a pedant here, but your grammar is dire and you can't use the quote function.

quote:Originally posted by princecharmant1980:

those who loves their country stay in it and resist and are ready to die for it just eg :Palestinians , Greeks against Othoman empire ,Native americans (even if they suffered more than u )

So what about all these Muslim cunts i keep seeing walking about London?

quote:Originally posted by princecharmant1980:

but you complain most

What? Me?

London's become a bit of a "neutral ground" for muslims of every faction.