Kiko made a very good point in his topic, so good in fact that I'm surprised it was locked (although his first post was somewhat infantile, admittedly).

Here is what he said:

quote:Kiko:

Many people around the world live a certain way because they believe "god" wants them to act a certain way. Thus, you could say that these people, the religious folk, live under the influence of "god". Therefore they are motivated by god. Motivation is real. Therefore god is real as well. God exists as a motivational factor.

I agree with this. If people believe in something, it becomes real. When everybody believed the earth was the center of the universe, it was true until somebody proved otherwise.

What do you guys think? This is certainly a different type of believing in god, and I'm pretty sure most Christians wouldn't agree with it, but it's true I feel.

I beleive that's the dumbest thing I've heard. If something can't be proven wrong, it must mean it's real? How the fuck could you prove the impossible wrong. I believe there is no god. There, prove that wrong. You can't. What's this mean? God is not real. Yeah, your theory does not work.

I believe that you failed to read the quoted portion of my post.

Since people believe in god, and this belief affects them, it therefore must exist. Nothing can't affect people.

I don't personally believe in a Christian god, btw, but this is a very convincing theory: for something to affect people it must exist.

If it can affect people, then it does exist. I was not saying that "god" as a universal creator exists. But simply that "god" exists as an idea in everyones mind, whether or not 'it' affects you. But it doubly exists if can affect you as a motivational factor.

Why don't we take this all over to the closely related thread (http://www.totse.com/bbs/Forum15/HTML/002495.html). Probably why his topic got locked in the first place.