yea enough said by the topic

Athiesm is for the Morally Challenged...

Maybe you should try to explain why do you think so, or you always cry something loud and then run away?

Or else why to post at all? Just to tell us what you think? No one cares about your opinion, even more it looks for me that you are a teenager who was a christian but then lost faith and became atheist and now thinks he knows everything.

So far this is what I think about you.

I have to agree with Sniper. I am the stereotypical teenager who lost faith, but then I corrected my stupid, stupid ways. If you find religion and faith for the weakminded, then perhaps all of those hundreds of philosophers who have searched their entire lives for truth and written books that have better peoples lives were just sadist, ignorant whores? Or, maybe, we should all start not caring whatsoever about anything beyond the immediate future. I mean, life is all just about having fun, isn't it? Fucking douche-bag...

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religion is not for the weak minded it is just for those who refuse to analyze it as for philosopers it is fine for them to believe it but if you are like descarte saying "I think therefore i am" and then uses the fucking ontilogical argument to reason that god exists that pisses me off. by the way almost all of the great leaders were religious and i dont think you are calling them all weak minded are you.

please elaborate.

Religion isn't necesarrily for the weak-minded. Although a vast majority of people do require something to believe in to get them through their day-to-day lives. That's more fear then weak-mindedness. As someone stated in this thread most leaders have been religious, sad to say though this actually promotes the original intention of this thread. The leaders were religious to control the weak-minded. Or so it would seem. For those that control the present control the past, for they can control what is thought and believed to be the past. These leaders use peoples fears and desires to look like they know what they're talking about to control them letting them know only what he wants them to know.

So religion can be more of a tool to control the weak-minded. That does not give the weak-minded exclusive rights and reserves to religion, however. Many a brilliant mind has been brought to the brink of insanity by the unanswerable enigmas for religion. Conciousness is worth contemplation as to choose our own paths and not be gradually convinced how to think. It would be worthwhile if you could turn the decontstruction radar on yourself for a second and honestly scrutinize your beliefs coinciding with your actions. Far too often man is not in charge of what he believes or what he does that is best for him at the hands of one who thinks for himself and will to power for power's sake. It's also not to say that religion is the only tool to control the weak-minded, many have been convinced of other things unatainable to be what will bring them happiness if blindly followed and what will give them horrible pain if disobeyed.

Religion is for the weak-minded is a really half-assed way of speaking another's thoughts, most famously Karl Marx. Cut the strings check out your own mind for a second, you might surprise yourself

quote:Originally posted by Sniper Piper:

Athiesm is for the Morally Challenged...

Huh? Why would athiesm be for the morally challenged, when religous people need morals to be explained to them by someone else? If anything its the other way around. I can think for myself, and can tell right from wrong. Why can't you?

here is a simple explaination taken from the movie dogma...

"Organized religion destroys who we are by inhibiting our actions, by inhibiting our decisions, out of fear of an intangible father figure who shakes a finger at us from 100 years ago, saying do it, or ill fucking spank you..."

here's a more intellectual version, which deals more with core flaws of the religion rather than why its so fuckin retarded, i read when checkin a thread on philosophy type crap...

"is god willing to prevent evil, but not able? then he is not omnipotent. is he able, but not willing? then he is malevolent. is he both able and willing? then why is there evil? is he either able nor willing? then why call him god?"

i just like the aforementioned because it asks some good questions that christians never ask themselves...

i dont care to debate religion with religious people... theres a simple rule of living which explains why... have you ever looked back on something you did and you think its so stupid now but at the time you thought it made sense... you never realize something is stupid until its over and you have a chance to look back on it... 99% of religious people are never going to know how stupid they are... once youre dead, theres no looking back on things...

you are who you are... even though they hate me for who i am, i dont give a rats ass about how they live their life... i respect their right to live the way they want to, but unlike them, i dont tell them they are going to hell for it...

i used to care about debating religion with christians, trying to talk some sense into them... but its a waste of my life energy... ill just let em do whatever... its not like living a religious life ever did any harm... aside from the murdering in the name of god and the prosecution of the innocent and the over all rot of the youth as well as society...

of course religion is for the weak-minded... spirituality is okie dokie, but labeling is the problem... your scope of reality is directly limited by the labels you put on forces you cant explain or dont even understand... what makes religious people weak-minded is their inability to find their own answers... not to mention that they have the nerve to insist they are right...

government and religion are the scourges of humanity...

to ever reach our potential we must do away with the weak-minds... which will never happen because we have this blind value for life... it doesnt occur to certain people that death is a necessity of life... for the sapling to grow strong, it is sometimes necessary to prune the branches... we are held back by our fear of death--- one of the things that religion enforces...

our society is backwards and stupid... we grow apart from eachother and we grow apart from our own humanity...

quote:Originally posted by Jesus:

Originally posted by Sniper Piper:

Athiesm is for the Morally Challenged...

Huh? Why would athiesm be for the morally challenged, when religous people need morals to be explained to them by someone else? If anything its the other way around. I can think for myself, and can tell right from wrong. Why can't you?

he doesnt mean that they cant tell the difference between right and wrong its that atheists generally have less morals to live with. Because they have no one to answer to then they really need not be moral. As well I think you need to have a strong mind to be really religious. Think of all the shit they put themselves through. Could you not have sex till your married? or not masturbate that takes a fucking strong mind man I dont know what you are thinking. I know that a lot of people do screw before marriage and every religious teenager wanks it but they try not to if they are really religious. Some of the smartest and most disiplined people I know are religious and you need to have some fucking respect.

quote:Originally posted by malvert_the_janitor:

religion is for the weak minded.

THIS MAN'S RELIGION ALLOWED HIM TO DO THIS. COULD YOU DO THIS?

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weak minded my ass.

EDIT: Quoted the fool.



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quote:Originally posted by Aphelion Corona:

THIS MAN'S RELIGION ALLOWED HIM TO DO THIS. COULD YOU DO THIS?

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weak minded my ass.

EDIT: Quoted the fool.



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ahahaha that rocks, i love you.

quote:Originally posted by Eos:



i just like the aforementioned because it asks some good questions that christians never ask themselves...



aside from the past 2000 odd years of christian thought...

This is why I'm hammered right now. It helps me dull the pain of living in a society of imbeciles. Yet, in a moment of weakness, I thought to peruse the Totse forums. Bad move.

"Religion is for the weak-minded."

You don't get it, do you, kiddo? You picked up some atheist text in a book store and thought you had it all figured out. You figured you'd go and flaunt your knowledge before the unclean masses, and let them know who's boss.

Well sorry, you're just another idiot.

Of course, religion is for the weak-minded. BECAUSE WE'RE ALL WEAK-MINDED. We're all HUMAN. Christians and Jews and what-have-you have religion as a crutch. Atheists, on the other hand, prop themselves up on the belief that they alone have stumbled on The Truth, and they proselytize just as fervently as the religious folks of the world.

It's not about Truth. It's about survival. Belief in God gets some people through the day. Belief in your own superiority gets you through the day. Why are you so amazingly better? It's all just people whispering encouragement to themselves.

I'm an atheist, but I don't look down on Christians, Muslims, Jews, or whatever. I recognize that they take a different mode of psychological survival. Be honest with yourself, and do the same.

A&A,

An Atheist, and An Honest One

quote:Originally posted by Armed&Angry:



Of course, religion is for the weak-minded. BECAUSE WE'RE ALL WEAK-MINDED. We're all HUMAN. Christians and Jews and what-have-you have religion as a crutch. Atheists, on the other hand, prop themselves up on the belief that they alone have stumbled on The Truth, and they proselytize just as fervently as the religious folks of the world.

It's not about Truth. It's about survival. Belief in God gets some people through the day. Belief in your own superiority gets you through the day. Why are you so amazingly better? It's all just people whispering encouragement to themselves.



Very true. That is the reason Im not religious, I dont see a need for it. Why believe in something that for the most part is impossible to prove just to give your self a little mentel strength. I dont see religion vs atheisim as right versus wrong. I see them in the light of what good do they for me, and for me I dont think it would help me.

as for the guy setting himself on fire in protest... his belief gave him power, not his god... religion can do some good for you but it mostly just makes you dillusional...

christian... thought... HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH

^^^sorry, i just had to... im not happy

there is one problem with religion... it forces you to label everything you experience... everything miraculous is a work of divine intervention, blah blah, etc...

there's nothing wrong with abiding by what someone you look up to expects from you... does that mean they are justified?... theres nothing wrong with having religious beliefs... does that mean your religion means shit?...

i dont care what you believe and you dont care what i believe... just keep your religion out of my life and ill keep my comments to myself... but i am controlled by a christian government and live in a prodominantly christian society that chooses to judge me and label me... so i will not keep my comments to myself

you're right... we are all weak... but religion is for those who are the weakest...

i will give them credit for one thing though... they believe a god gives them power through prayer and obedience--- but what they get is far greater... they give themselves power through commitment, determination, hope, and self discipline... though they will never give themselves credit, so they will never become strong... but it sure is a damn good effort...

quote:Originally posted by Eos:

it forces you to label everything you experience...

Are you twelve? Because you talk like an angsty, whiny middle-schooler. Seriously, is anybody home over there? "Labels" are not born of religion, they're born of sentience.

quote:i dont care what you believe and you dont care what i believe... just keep your religion out of my life and ill keep my comments to myself...

Odd that you would come into a clearly labeled religious section of the board when you want to keep other's religion out of your life. If you want to avoid something you shouldnt seek it out.

quote:Originally posted by anubisknight:

ahahaha that rocks, i love you.



I posted the picture because I think it made a good point, especially considering that I admire the self control of this man more than any other who has ever lived, he sat and chanted as the flames consumed him.

Could this boy who so easily dismisses religion as for the weak minded even set his own hand on fire even for a minute? Let alone his entire body for the rest of his life.

Show me a non-religious person with more control over their own mind and body than that monk malvert.

And Eos, what is religion but belief in a god? Malvert never said it was belief in God that was weak, just belief in religion.

Religion doesn't necessarily equate to a belief in god(s). Buddhism doesn't concern itself with deities; it's purely atheistic.

And for the fellow who started this thread: Yes, religion is for the weak-minded, as is every aspect of a continuous life (including atheism, which I admit is rather self serving for most of us [read 'the anti-authoritarian crowd']). A weak mind is something necessary to continue living as a truly strong mind would sacrifice itself for its cause, its beliefs; a weak mind would rather live in slavery than die, a strong mind would give its life for the purpose of freedom...strong minds (those closest in touch with reality) rarely last long unless the strength of the mind is derived from contentment with life.