The thread is about Christianity, namely about Judas, one of the 12 apostles who according to the Bible betrayed Jesus Christ (just in case if someone didn't get the title)

What do you people think about Judas? Many people consider him to be a betrayer, but was he a betrayer? Why did he "betray" and was that a betray?

He was one of the 12 chosen, a loyal follower, I doubt he was so weak that Satan could control him.

30 pieces of silver? It is ridiculous, how can anyone think that he was greedy, if he was, he would have never joined Christ and the rest of the followers. Only 30 pieces of silver... is this such a big sum of money? Why would a person not living for money suddenly betray a mentor for some 30 pieces of silver?

The sum shows that he wasn't greedy.

So was it his will, or was he given a burden to complete the prophecy and be cursed for accomplishing God's will? Jesus knew he would die, he never was afraid of it, he didn't let his followers defend him, he said it was God's will.

What if Judas had been instructed by Christ or by the Holy Spirit to do what he did? It was a great responsibility, and he could be the chosen one.

However, the failed to live with his burden and committed suicide. Having proof that Jesus was Son of God. Why didn't he try to save his soul? Maybe because being hated for being the chosen among the apostles and the most loyal to accomplish God's will was too heavy burden for him.

What do you people think about it?

My buddy, a religious studies major, has an interesting theory here. He claims that Judas was actually the apostle who loved Jesus the most. Remember, he was Judas Iscariot, Judas the Fanatic. He really did think Jesus was the savior.

However, he thought he was the wrong kind of savior. Judas, like most Jews of the day, thought Jesus would destroy the Roman occupiers. So, growing impatient, he betrayed Jesus in order to force him into saving himself and going on to defeat the Romans. Basically, Judas jumped the gun.

The gospel according to Flip, ladies and gentlemen.

A BBC doco not too long ago raised a similar idea, that Judas was tasked by Jesus to betray him. I don't really know how much comparitive value 30 pieces of silver has. Although it was significant that it was the amount paid as one of the much earlier prophecies mentioned that price.

For 30 silver, I'd hang the bastard Nazarene off my porch like a flag.

as jesus came to earth for the ransom sacrifice-if he failed then Satan would win and not be destroyed at Armageddon. so the demons ect were very active at the time that Jesus was alive. you can see this by the huge amount of demon possesed people jesus had to cure.

Satan used human weakness to tempt Judas. Judas was in charge of the poor box, and had been stealing from this. Obviously got tired of having no money.

I cant remember the actual scripture, but when Jesus was being annointed and getting his feet washed by a woman, the apostles argued over that the exspensive annointing oil she used should of been donated to the poor. Jesus brought up the point that you cant slave for two masters, as you will end up loving one and despising the other.

Judas, became more worried about money than Jesus' message. Obviously Satan exploited this and Judas began to hate Jesus. Selling information to the Pharisees as where to they could capture Jesus in a quiet location with no crowds around was a valuable peice of information.

30 peices of silver was the price of a slave, which ties into several prophecies and has symbolic value. It was a lot of money also.

Jesus had to die for mankind, he didnt have to die in such a depraved way. He could of died of old age and still saved mankind. Satan knew that he wasnt going to win and make Jesus sin, so had him excecuted in the worse possible and painfull way available to him.

Jesus evidently gave counsel to Judas, but Judas did not listen to him.

quote:Originally posted by nevermind:

Jesus had to die for mankind, he didnt have to die in such a depraved way. He could of died of old age and still saved mankind.

Hmm... as far as I know he mentioned that he is to be killed and then will rise from the dead... I think in Bible it is written so...

even judas the betrayer came true in the end. -outkast, growing old from atlienz.

What was the point of Judas anyways?

Shouldn't the people who came to take him away have been able to recognize Jesus without the kiss? I mean, the whole reason he was getting carted off is because of his fame...

^yup. exactly.

you all need to watch the last temptation of christ... interesting interpretation there. christ was a rabble-rouser, speaking out against roman occupation and generally trying to start a revolution... he petitioned judas to betray his location.

the kiss on the cheek thing is likely just allegorical, added and modified many times as the details of the story got fudged over time.

Or it could be that authorities at the time didn't have access to photographs of known offenders.... how many people would have known what the UniBomber looked like?

It was a quite symbolic betrayal as there was no fight and no ambush...

Jesus can hardly be compared to the Unabomber. He made plenty of public appearances, which was the whole point.

Hmmm... interesting premise: Judas doesn't betray Jesus, but some other disciple willing to die for the cause.

Even better: Jesus pretends to be Judas, sells Judas out as Jesus, then runs off with Mary Magdalene and all the money from the jewel heist.

Okay, bad choice. There was a movie a few years back about one of the early IRA guys, Michael someone (set during WW1). He was pretty famous, appeared publicly often, but the Brits still had to rely on informants that could visually ID him, as they were unable to get a photo of him for ages.

he didn't sell out, he bought in.

Man, it used to be about the music...

One word: messiah.

The point of Christ's death was to redeem the sins of mankind; that couldn't have happened w/o the suffering of Christ.

If he had died of old age, then IMO, he wouldn't have redeemed mankind, as to redeem, there has to be sacrafice. You cannot redeem yourself, or anyone else, and remain unchanged.

In this regard, you can look see the hand of God in it; in the opinions of many people, betrayal stands below only kidnapping and child molesting (See the hierarchy of prisons, for example)

So, Jesus has to die, in as terrible a way as possible, so as to redeem humanity. Betrayal. As stated before, Judas Iscariot= Judas the Fanatic. The most devoted Apostle betraying Jesus; the worst kind of betrayal.

As I said, you can almost certainly see the hand of God in this one.

Well, that's just my opinion...