I'm getting a lot of people blatantly put down all sorts of religion and say that people that believe in God are ignorant.

Now, I respect the right to be an aetheist, but I also respect the right to believe in a religion. I don't think people who believe in stuff are ignorant (on less it's something like naziism) but more that people who believe anyone with a religion is ignorant.

I feel there are flaws with every religion and perhaps many of those are there just to act as opiates or to take our worries away, but there is no way of proving or disproving the fact that there could be something out there. No way of disproving that there is a higher power beyond our control.

well most religions have that THEY MUST JOIN, OR THEY'LL ALL DIEEEEE motto...and everyone but them is wrong

I feel they can negatively affect the conclusions people draw about the world, conclusions that would otherwise be based on logic and reasoning are sometimes based on nothing more than what some book says, because someone feels more comfortable about life if they believe the main premise of that book, and feels that forcing themself to believe and practice the whole thing will fortify that belief. I'm not saying this is true for all religious people, or even all religions, but it certainly means that religion is somthing to be wary of and a subject to be discussed and disseceted in meticulous detail.

Atheism, on the other hand, doesn't affect the reasoning behind the conclusions you draw about the world, an atheist weighs things up based on evidence alone.

There's no way of disproving that Jupiter isn't mostly made up of cookie dough, but it would be pretty ignorant to believe that it is.

I'm pretty tolerant of religion - I mean, I'm not going to start burning down churches any time soon.

But respect? I think you would probably have trouble respecting Raelians (they believe that an alien dictated their holy book to some French-Canadian guy). That's pretty much what most theists look like to me. Most religions are fucking ridiculous, and people don't see that. It's insane.

I can't have respect for anything as bizarre and nonsensical as most religions.

quote:Originally posted by anubisknight:

well most religions have that THEY MUST JOIN, OR THEY'LL ALL DIEEEEE motto...and everyone but them is wrong

Not really true. Christianity does and so does Islam but Judaism doesn't, Buddhist and Hinduism don't, Sikhism doesn't.

So out of the big 6, only 2 do.

Thats only 33 1/3 %.

Not most at all, which would indicate at least 51%

You post therefore has a 17 2/3 % error.

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but there are alot of branches of christianity, so it doesnt really make it just ONE, the mormons, seventh day adventists, the catholics, etc etc etc

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Aphelion Corona- His margin of error changes if you use a weighted mean (which is probably more accurate).

quote:Originally posted by ZeroMalarki:

I'm getting a lot of people blatantly put down all sorts of religion and say that people that believe in God are ignorant.



I personally don't try to put down religion, though some may say that is all I do. Personally, I see nothing wrong with any religions unless they openly advocate the death or hate for certain people just because of who they are. The only problem I have with religions are the people and constend posting saying "believe this" or "your all going to die unless you believe this" and the like. Personally, I would rather sit here and read a 100 page report on the unbias proof to why I should believe something then be told what to believe.

quote:Originally posted by ZeroMalarki:

I feel there are flaws with every religion and perhaps many of those are there just to act as opiates or to take our worries away, but there is no way of proving or disproving the fact that there could be something out there.



I agree with you there, there are ALOT of flaws in religion, simply because alot of religions try to keep up with the times, so they change words around, change what they mean etc etc etc. This probally is the one reason I do not believe most religions, they try to keep up with the times, changing things as society changes.



Sorry of this offends anyone or anything.

quote:Originally posted by ZeroMalarki:

I'm getting a lot of people blatantly put down all sorts of religion and say that people that believe in God are ignorant.

Now, I respect the right to be an aetheist, but I also respect the right to believe in a religion. I don't think people who believe in stuff are ignorant (on less it's something like naziism) but more that people who believe anyone with a religion is ignorant.

I feel there are flaws with every religion and perhaps many of those are there just to act as opiates or to take our worries away, but there is no way of proving or disproving the fact that there could be something out there. No way of disproving that there is a higher power beyond our control.



I do respect other religions, but i have no respect for those that oppose mine (Christianity) and is told to kill Christians,such as islam and zionism.

I also respect religions, even more so than most because in all, i have a friend that follows each of the major religions of the world, and they are always arguing about which is correct (except the buddisht, they are taught to respect and be tolerant of other religions).

However, i dont think its nice to say that religions are ridiculous. Theyre not, to some people its a way of life, to others, its a way of assessing what is right and wrong. Overall, religions themselves are good things, however, what creates all this animosity are the people who take it too far. The people who will do anything for their religion to prove its correct. Now they are the people who are in the wrong not the religion. Religion itself is good, its the intepretations of the masses which is bad, as they give religion a bad rep.

quote:Originally posted by inquisitor_11:

Aphelion Corona- His margin of error changes if you use a weighted mean (which is probably more accurate).

I was referring to them as concepts, not basing them on how many people believe in them because not all believes believe the same thing, but as pure concepts my calculations were correct. http://www.totse.com/bbs/smile.gif (http://www.totse.com/bbs/smile.gif)

I know where you're coming from. I go to a Catholic school so there's prayers every 10 minutes. Im not Christian by the way, or any religion for that matter. I dont pray, but sit respectively.

quote:Originally posted by bite_me:



I do respect other religions, but i have no respect for those that oppose mine (Christianity) and is told to kill Christians,such as islam and zionism.

Nice trolling.

Zero, come live in Utah for a month and you'll see why people blatantly put down religions.

Now, I understand that not all religions do this: there are many that are respectable, keep to themselves, and have a "live and let live" attitude. You can believe that everyone but pure aryans are animals, and as long as you keep that to yourself and don't act on those beliefs I am fine with you.

What we have, though, especially in Christianity, is like anubisknight said - the drive to get everybody to be their religion. I've lived in Utah for a year now (shit, it has been a year. Damn), and I have a loathing of the Mormon religion. Not only are they rude sons of bitches (why would you need to be polite when you have God on your side?), but they are convinced that they're right. And this does affect other people. Besides missionaries (who are obnoxious fucks), you can't get a job here if you're not Mormon. Now you might say "oh, they're a fringe religion!", but it's the same in a lot of places. Try going to the SE states (think VA and below), and it's the same god damn thing.

That is why people hate religion. Because the believers have a superiority complex and their belief in their religion affects others.

Oh, and Zero, I agree. Nobody can prove anything that occurs (or if it occurs) out side of our lives one way or another, so they're all equally right. I'm an agnostic, but I might be wrong.

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Because people are assholes.

quote:Originally posted by bite_me:



I do respect other religions, but i have no respect for those that oppose mine (Christianity) and is told to kill Christians,such as islam and zionism.

I don't think there are any religions that say to kill Christians. I oppose people like you from your religion, not your religion itself because ignorance/intolerance pisses me off. That's why I see Buddhism as the only religion I've found that makes sense, it's adaptable and not really a religion, more of a philosophy.

Zen, he was accurate in saying Islam tells believers to kill him...though only a half statement because that's only if the Christian does not show respect to your religion. The zionism bit though; just fucking stupid.

i dont respect them because they dont respect my right to say the earth revolves around the sun or evolution also they are all hipocrites with there religion saying dont kill, give away all your riches help the poor. but they all have their crusades thier jihads thier cathedrals thier synagogs thier mosques. that is why i dont respect religions.

quote:Originally posted by Craftian:

There's no way of disproving that Jupiter isn't mostly made up of cookie dough, but it would be pretty ignorant to believe that it is.

I'm pretty tolerant of religion - I mean, I'm not going to start burning down churches any time soon.

But respect? I think you would probably have trouble respecting Raelians (they believe that an alien dictated their holy book to some French-Canadian guy). That's pretty much what most theists look like to me. Most religions are fucking ridiculous, and people don't see that. It's insane.

I can't have respect for anything as bizarre and nonsensical as most religions.

i love reading about the people in Roswell New Mexico who believe jesus is an alien and is going to be taking them all into space(heaven), lol, now tahts funny, lol

I think all religions suck ass, why should I warship some "all powerful" being thats too lazy to build his own fucking church?

I don't know about you guys, but i *love* Reese's pieces. Love.

quote:Originally posted by theBishop:

I don't know about you guys, but i *love* Reese's pieces. Love.

I don't know, I like the peanut butter cups better. Just the old skool ones, none of these "minis" or "inside out" ones. Those are bullshit.

I respect all religions... I believe they all come from the true correct religion but noone knows which is correct. I like to know all I can about religions before I put my full faith in one...

What are all these religions talking about these days? What croaks and groans erupt from their mouths confusing the world into believing that they are the right words of truth? These words are just sounds! They have no meaning if you forget the past, forget what words are and your fantasies of the future. Even my words fail to express anything significant. They're really just noises! People struggling to express themselves, until the day they die! Trying to make a point, their point being? Searching for something, searching for what?! Don't you see people arguing until they're old and frail, and still arguing that they're right? THIS is what people choose to waste their energy on? Yes! This is the sad reality of overthinking, until it completely takes over. You can go with the flow until you're old and frail or break free! Open your mind! Study it, breathe and know it

Yes, I do think people could afford to sit back and relax more often. Thanks for asking. Or no thanks. I'll go do that now.

And as for "those kinds of people are ignorant."... You're ignorant! Ignorant of your own breath! As am I at times, but slowly I am breaking that down, piercing through this veil I covered myself in. But it doesn't happen by saying "those people are ignorant". Nor does it happen by sitting here pondering about things that bring no happiness, peace or joy to myself or anybody else. I'm mentally masturbating and wasting this moment by being on this forum in hoping to help people who won't even help themselves.

Stop pondering and meditate! Waaaake uppp!! Seize this moment to live and stop thinking so hard.

*sigh*

Such a nice walk tonight listening to lots of music. I burned up the track walking countless laps and my legs feel soft as dough/shit. What a beautiful day to be alive. Walking or jogging and breathing to music, combining them all into one beat, one pulse, one moving flowing thing, is such an experience. That's where there's no more room for thought. http://www.totse.com/bbs/wink.gif (http://www.totse.com/bbs/wink.gif)