-In the beginning... (who was there to see it?)

-How do we know this god is a HE?

-Who has actually seen him? (besides lone guys at the tops of mountains carving tablets)

-If earth is 6000 years old, then where did all those dinosaur bones come from?

-Do some people actually think that carbon-dating is a lie?

-I read the beginning of the bible and it said that adam was 900 when he died, wtf!?

-Then, if you look at the rate of human reproduction it would be impossible to get from 2 to 6 billion in 6000 years (this is also assuming that every child survived.) Let alone create a population of thousands within 6 generations along with various other civilizations: assyrians, persians, egyptians, sudanese, chinese and how can such ethic diversity and so many religions come about?

I mean adam and eve are disbanded from eden. Then they have kids, live 900 years and then 2000 years later their children have moved across continents, oceans, established whole working civilizations with their own religion that is in no way connected to christianity - how do 3000 gods come from 1?

Now here is another conflict. What about other religions that have risen and fallen. What if they were right, but their society perished? How do you know that christianity is not just part of the cycle? New religions are created everyday. The native americans believe something entirely different and have been around longer than the jews.

My point is that the beginning is flawed in everything. Not that I like the "big bang" but the events leading from it make a lot more sense. I like the science theory, it explains more.

Could somebody break this down and explain it bit by bit?

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quote:Originally posted by Raider101:

-In the beginning... (who was there to see it?)

More cheapshots from somebody who's to lazy to study it out.

answer: God was! Who later revealed it to Moses, if you dont think God would do that think again.

quote:-How do we know this god is a HE?

answer: Cause he said so.



quote:-Who has actually seen him? (besides lone guys at the tops of mountains carving tablets)

Do you have to see something to believe it?

Have you ever seen your brain? Do you believe you have one?

Do you think God owes you an apearence?



quote:-If earth is 6000 years old, then where did all those dinosaur bones come from?

Read Job 41 sometime, Dinasaurs are big lizards right. Dont assume like the "Science" community that men and dinosaurs lived at seperate times!



quote:-Do some people actually think that carbon-dating is a lie?

"One part of Dima (a baby frozen mammoth) was 40000(yrs) another part was 26000 and the wood immediatlely around the carcass was 9-10000."

Troy L. Pewe, Quaternary Stratigraphic Nomenclature in Unglaciated Central Alaska, Geological Survey Professional Paper 862(U.S government printing office, 1975)p.30

Ive got many more examples!

quote:-I read the beginning of the bible and it said that adam was 900 when he died, wtf!?

If youre made directly from God, and you could marry your sister....wouldnt that suggest that you were Genetically Pure?

quote:-Then, if you look at the rate of human reproduction it would be impossible to get from 2 to 6 billion in 6000 years (this is also assuming that every child survived.) Let alone create a population of thousands within 6 generations along with various other civilizations: assyrians, persians, egyptians, sudanese, chinese and how can such ethic diversity and so many religions come about?

I mean adam and eve are disbanded from eden. Then they have kids, live 900 years and then 2000 years later their children have moved across continents, oceans, established whole working civilizations with their own religion that is in no way connected to christianity - how do 3000 gods come from 1?

Two part Question, First one is answered in Genisis 10...Tower of Babel...this is where the world then became ecumenical and God seperated them by giving them different languages.

The rest of your Questions I will get to some other time....also, I dont intend to answer every cheapshot posted....just the ones I want to!

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^you spelled dinosaurs* wrong.

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quote:Originally posted by Sniper Piper:

Two part Question, First one is answered in Genisis 10...Tower of Babel...this is where the world then became ecumenical and God seperated them by giving them different languages.

The rest of your Questions I will get to some other time....also, I dont intend to answer every cheapshot posted....just the ones I want to!

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thats probably cause you cant answer his question. its a really damn good point.

quote:Originally posted by Sniper Piper:

answer: Cause he said so.

quote: If youre made directly from God, and you could marry your sister....wouldnt that suggest that you were Genetically Pure?

quote:Dinasaurs are big lizards right. Dont assume like the "Science" community that men and dinosaurs lived at seperate times!

You sir, are an idiot. I'm sorry I don't usually make such rash assumptions before even meeting someone but that's how I feel at the moment.

Actually maybe idiot doesn't do it, because you do seem to have (albiet niave) intellegence and approach things logically. But with these abilities you blindly follow garbage like "he said so so it must be", so you are not an idiot you are a fool.

THINK FOR YOURSELF!!!!!!!!

Sniper Piper, I think you summed it up best.

This(the opening thread) is a shining example of unintelligent, atheistic Idio-Ideology. (Hopfully the meaning is understood.

There are smart atheist, who actually have good reasons for their belief...and then, there's 'THIS'. **(Totse is Doomed)**

"The Lower leg of the Fairbanks Creek Mammoth had a radiocarbon age of 15,380 RCY, while its skin and flesh were 21,300 RCY."-Harold E. Anthony, "Natures Deep Freeze," Natural History,Sept. 1949,p. 300 see also:In the Beginning by Walt Brown p.124

The leg is 15,380 yrs old....but the skin is 21,300 yrs old.....Dont laugh this is Science!

quote:Originally posted by Metalligod:

There are smart atheist, who actually have good reasons for their belief...and then, there's 'THIS'. **(Totse is Doomed)**

"I think, however, that we must go further than this and admit that the only acceptable explanation is creation. I know that this is anathema to physicists, as indeed it is to me, but we must not reject a theory that we do not like if the experimental evidence supports it."-H.Lipson, "A Physicist Looks at Evolution," Physics Bulletin, 31 (1980),p. 138.

An honest scientist.

quote:Originally posted by Cornpuff Mgruff:

^you spelled dinosaurs* wrong.

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Did you understand what I meant? Good! That is what I was shooting for.

Now for sniper piper.

God was! Okay, that really helps your case seeing as I am questioning its' existance. Okay, he later revealed it to moses. Who was with moses? So if this holds true, I could go into my gargage, say I saw god and start my own religion?

-How do we know this god is a HE?

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answer: Cause he said so.

Hmmm. I must have missed the memo.

quote:Have you ever seen your brain? Do you believe you have one?

No, but I can physically prove to crowd of people that I do have one. It may get a little messy but I do have one...what else would be in there? And yes, if it wants me to believe, it owes me an appearance.

Now for carbon dating. If it is so flawed, why would it be used at all?

Adam was 900 when he died. When his offspring died, they were the same age. What happend to us?

Tower of Babel. Yes, that could explain the language barrier. But they all worked on the same tower for the same diety, therefore, they would still worship "god" not 3000 gods.

SniperPiper,you obviously have no desire to base your opinions on unbiasedsources of information.As in your previous post concerning Evolution and the morally challenged,you put forth examples from sources which misrepresent facts.

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More cheapshots from somebody who's to lazy to study it out.

answer: God was! Who later revealed it to Moses, if you dont think God would do that think again.

This rebuttal is based on opinion, not proof.You cannot prove the existance of a God,just as I,cannot prove that a God does not exist.

quote:answer: Cause he said so.

This rebuttal fails for the same reason.



quote:Do you have to see something to believe it?

Have you ever seen your brain? Do you believe you have one?

Do you think God owes you an apearence?



Obviously it is very safe to assume that he has a brain even without seeing it.This is based on provable scientific fact.

If God did exist, and was involved with mankind the way religion purposes,then yes,I would expect to see definate evidence of that existance.

quote:Read Job 41 sometime, Dinasaurs are big lizards right. Dont assume like the "Science" community that men and dinosaurs lived at seperate times!

This is just more nonsense.Dinosaurs became extinct approx. 60,000,000 years ago.There is a TREMENDOUS amount of unbiased scientific evidence to prove this fact.If you believe that T-rex(as one example of many) was herbiverous and lived harmoniously beside mankind,you are completely blind to reason.

The universe is many,many millions of years old.Not 10,000 years old as Young Earth Creationists believe.Young earth theory is based on misrepresentation ,not on provable fact.

The distance between the earth and stars is measurable(fact).We can see stars that are hundreds of thousands of light years away from the earth.For the light from these stars to reach the earth now, the stars had to exist hundreds of thousands of years ago.