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---Beany---
2004-06-14, 22:21
Do you believe in soul mates?

If so what do you think they are?

If we all are individual souls, why would another soul be perfect for you? Is that the way God intended it, or would you and your soul mate be part of all the elements that make up a complete soul.

Perhaps a soul divides, taking different aspect with each one. And when you find each other you experience a oneness similar to that of rejoining god.

evolove
2004-06-15, 02:03
There is one fable, I'm not sure where it's from but it says that would were originaly one, asexual, then they were split in two, male and female.

I think people have addapted this to soul mates. Though it might have been part of the origninal story. I'm not saying that is were the idea has come from, but it's an apt discription of what I believe.

I believe there are almost perfect phystical and psychological doubles, this is what people feel when they talk about meeting a person a everything else fadeds away, time stops and the other person is all they're aware of.

So it contines that a soul mate may also exist, if the soul does. If they're is reincarntation, then it's possible two people have shared many lives together, giving them a bound like no other. Or if desteny, then two people could be meant for each other.

I keep trying to think of the mechanics of it, do they just fit together as two pieces to make a perfect whole? Something no other peice could do for the other.

This is about the only thing I know about science. Out of the vaccum pops two particles of kind I don't know, a positive and a negitve, they float around the universe for x period of time, then eventualy meet again, disoloving back into whence they came.

This is the way I would like to look at this idea which is somehting like the frist myth I told.

Also like the yin-yang, ida-pingla, and it's function in achiving samadhi.

Which is also the function of Tantric Sex as I understand it, in one respect at least.

Realtionships and everything in general I believe are meant to be, I'm a total fatalist, for better or worse.(Though I only half believe it, which is odd, somthing else, perhaps the little common sense I have is naging at me.)

I think everybody you meet is meant for you at that time, every girl is your soul mate for that period, then you simply disconect and float of in some other direction. You drew each other in for that period with mutual love, or whatever else joined you, then the bond broke or disovled. Theoricaly I'd love if this were painless, but seldom is it I guess.

SARDONICPILLOW
2004-06-15, 04:19
quote:Originally posted by evolove:

There is one fable, I'm not sure where it's from but it says that would were originaly one, asexual, then they were split in two, male and female.

I think people have addapted this to soul mates.

that's from plato's symposium.

it's a good read. a bunch of philosophers get together and talk about love.

here the part:

quote:Aristophanes professed to open another vein of discourse; he had a mind to praise Love in another way, unlike that either of Pausanias or Eryximachus. Mankind; he said, judging by their neglect of him, have never, as I think, at all understood the power of Love. For if they had understood him they would surely have built noble temples and altars, and offered solemn sacrifices in his honour; but this is not done, and most certainly ought to be done: since of all the gods he is the best friend of men, the helper and the healer of the ills which are the great impediment to the happiness of the race. I will try to describe his power to you, and you shall teach the rest of the world what I am teaching you. In the first place, let me treat of the nature of man and what has happened to it; for the original human nature was not like the present, but different. The sexes were not two as they are now, but originally three in number; there was man, woman, and the union of the two, having a name corresponding to this double nature, which had once a real existence, but is now lost, and the word "Androgynous" is only preserved as a term of reproach. In the second place, the primeval man was round, his back and sides forming a circle; and he had four hands and four feet, one head with two faces, looking opposite ways, set on a round neck and precisely alike; also four ears, two privy members, and the remainder to correspond. He could walk upright as men now do, backwards or forwards as he pleased, and he could also roll over and over at a great pace, turning on his four hands and four feet, eight in all, like tumblers going over and over with their legs in the air; this was when he wanted to run fast. Now the sexes were three, and such as I have described them; because the sun, moon, and earth are three;-and the man was originally the child of the sun, the woman of the earth, and the man-woman of the moon, which is made up of sun and earth, and they were all round and moved round and round: like their parents. Terrible was their might and strength, and the thoughts of their hearts were great, and they made an attack upon the gods; of them is told the tale of Otys and Ephialtes who, as Homer says, dared to scale heaven, and would have laid hands upon the gods. Doubt reigned in the celestial councils. Should they kill them and annihilate the race with thunderbolts, as they had done the giants, then there would be an end of the sacrifices and worship which men offered to them; but, on the other hand, the gods could not suffer their insolence to be unrestrained.

At last, after a good deal of reflection, Zeus discovered a way. He said: "Methinks I have a plan which will humble their pride and improve their manners; men shall continue to exist, but I will cut them in two and then they will be diminished in strength and increased in numbers; this will have the advantage of making them more profitable to us. They shall walk upright on two legs, and if they continue insolent and will not be quiet, I will split them again and they shall hop about on a single leg." He spoke and cut men in two, like a sorb-apple which is halved for pickling, or as you might divide an egg with a hair; and as he cut them one after another, he bade Apollo give the face and the half of the neck a turn in order that the man might contemplate the section of himself: he would thus learn a lesson of humility. Apollo was also bidden to heal their wounds and compose their forms. So he gave a turn to the face and pulled the skin from the sides all over that which in our language is called the belly, like the purses which draw in, and he made one mouth at the centre, which he fastened in a knot (the same which is called the navel); he also moulded the breast and took out most of the wrinkles, much as a shoemaker might smooth leather upon a last; he left a few, however, in the region of the belly and navel, as a memorial of the primeval state. After the division the two parts of man, each desiring his other half, came together, and throwing their arms about one another, entwined in mutual embraces, longing to grow into one, they were on the point of dying from hunger and self-neglect, because they did not like to do anything apart; and when one of the halves died and the other survived, the survivor sought another mate, man or woman as we call them, being the sections of entire men or women, and clung to that. They were being destroyed, when Zeus in pity of them invented a new plan: he turned the parts of generation round to the front, for this had not been always their position and they sowed the seed no longer as hitherto like grasshoppers in the ground, but in one another; and after the transposition the male generated in the female in order that by the mutual embraces of man and woman they might breed, and the race might continue; or if man came to man they might be satisfied, and rest, and go their ways to the business of life: so ancient is the desire of one another which is implanted in us, reuniting our original nature, making one of two, and healing the state of man.

Each of us when separated, having one side only, like a flat fish, is but the indenture of a man, and he is always looking for his other half. Men who are a section of that double nature which was once called Androgynous are lovers of women; adulterers are generally of this breed, and also adulterous women who lust after men: the women who are a section of the woman do not care for men, but have female attachments; the female companions are of this sort. But they who are a section of the male follow the male, and while they are young, being slices of the original man, they hang about men and embrace them, and they are themselves the best of boys and youths, because they have the most manly nature. Some indeed assert that they are shameless, but this is not true; for they do not act thus from any want of shame, but because they are valiant and manly, and have a manly countenance, and they embrace that which is like them. And these when they grow up become our statesmen, and these only, which is a great proof of the truth of what I am saving. When they reach manhood they are loves of youth, and are not naturally inclined to marry or beget children,-if at all, they do so only in obedience to the law; but they are satisfied if they may be allowed to live with one another unwedded; and such a nature is prone to love and ready to return love, always embracing that which is akin to him. And when one of them meets with his other half, the actual half of himself, whether he be a lover of youth or a lover of another sort, the pair are lost in an amazement of love and friendship and intimacy, and would not be out of the other's sight, as I may say, even for a moment: these are the people who pass their whole lives together; yet they could not explain what they desire of one another. For the intense yearning which each of them has towards the other does not appear to be the desire of lover's intercourse, but of something else which the soul of either evidently desires and cannot tell, and of which she has only a dark and doubtful presentiment. Suppose Hephaestus, with his instruments, to come to the pair who are lying side, by side and to say to them, "What do you people want of one another?" they would be unable to explain. And suppose further, that when he saw their perplexity he said: "Do you desire to be wholly one; always day and night to be in one another's company? for if this is what you desire, I am ready to melt you into one and let you grow together, so that being two you shall become one, and while you live a common life as if you were a single man, and after your death in the world below still be one departed soul instead of two-I ask whether this is what you lovingly desire, and whether you are satisfied to attain this?"-there is not a man of them who when he heard the proposal would deny or would not acknowledge that this meeting and melting into one another, this becoming one instead of two, was the very expression of his ancient need. And the reason is that human nature was originally one and we were a whole, and the desire and pursuit of the whole is called love. There was a time, I say, when we were one, but now because of the wickedness of mankind God has dispersed us, as the Arcadians were dispersed into villages by the Lacedaemonians. And if we are not obedient to the gods, there is a danger that we shall be split up again and go about in basso-relievo, like the profile figures having only half a nose which are sculptured on monuments, and that we shall be like tallies.

the one take that you mentioned is about how there were 3 sexes, male, female, and the two combined. but they were too proud strong and the gods were threatened so they split us in 2. and now we wander the earth until we find our other half again.



soulmates are energies that have an affinity for eachother carried over from other planes/awareness points.

evolove
2004-06-15, 06:34
Thanks SARDONICPILLOW, I'll remember now, hopefuly

evolove
2004-06-17, 02:28
Are there no romanitics amoung us?

Roostergougingureyesout
2004-06-17, 02:50
I'm a hopeless romantic. I believe there is one person for everyone. I have had the fortune to find this person, but situations are so complicated and feelings are completely fucked, meh, I'll stop.