Okay, a couple of things.

A)Why is there so many books censored from the Bible? The Book of Thomas, The Book of Mary Magdoline, no where but in the Dead Sea Scrolls, so why not include them too? Is it because these books depicet Jesus as a man and not the son of god?

B)Why are Women turned into the bad people in here? Women are responsible for original sin, a women wants the head of john the Baptist, a woman is always the bad person. I don't understand. I think t's because that the penholders were men and they were sexests. (I'd like Dogma for making me think about that.)

The bible was written by men, and men are not perfect. They can have beliefs that are wrong. They have women shown in a bad light because of there society.

quote:Originally posted by Jesus:

The bible was written by men, and men are not perfect. They can have beliefs that are wrong. They have women shown in a bad light because of there society.

Well put. The only civilizations that I know of that showed women in a kinder light was the Etruscans and the Harapans.

quote:Originally posted by DarkDynamoX:

Okay, a couple of things.

A)Why is there so many books censored from the Bible? The Book of Thomas, The Book of Mary Magdoline, no where but in the Dead Sea Scrolls, so why not include them too? Is it because these books depicet Jesus as a man and not the son of god?

The decision to form a canon of scripture came about because:

•There was an ever increasing number of texts being produced and circulated surrounding Jesus etc. It was becoming difficult to ascertain which were spurious.

• Diocletian issued an edict for the destruction of all christian texts. If you going to be persecuted for protecting a sacred text, you would want to know if it was worth it or not.

•There was a growth in heretical teachings about Jesus etc. and these were establishing their own canon.

The reasons they chose the texts they did:

• They were identified with apostolic authorship, and considered to be written under the inspiration of the Holy Spirit.

•They were identified as being legit., and were widely considered legit. by most of the church

Some have postulated a number of alternate ideas, such as mystical reasons (numerical stuff etc.), a desire to wield christian belief into one that was controllable and palatable to the Roman Empire etc.

quote:Originally posted by DarkDynamoX:



B)Why are Women turned into the bad people in here? Women are responsible for original sin, a women wants the head of john the Baptist, a woman is always the bad person. I don't understand. I think t's because that the penholders were men and they were sexests. (I'd like Dogma for making me think about that.)

Definately sounds like Dogma (my dad's name is Kevin Smith BTW!) Men are no less responsible for original sin. In fact, it is through woman that the solution to original sin comes. A man orders John's imprisonment, execution and carries out the execution.

Women are often portrayed favourably: Luke's gospel highlights the importance of women. Jesus freely associated with women in a culture that saw them, and treated them as unclean objects. Paul refers to specific women as indispensible in his work. He also says that "In Christ there is neither...Male or Female... ", establishing a general equality.

However, there are significant, unresolved issues. The same bloke that wrote that also said some stuff in 1 Cor. and 2 Timothy regarding the place and conduct of women in church/ministry that are causing some major dramas in the church today.

quote:Originally posted by DarkDynamoX:

Okay, a couple of things.

A)Why is there so many books censored from the Bible? The Book of Thomas, The Book of Mary Magdoline, no where but in the Dead Sea Scrolls, so why not include them too? Is it because these books depicet Jesus as a man and not the son of god?

B)Why are Women turned into the bad people in here? Women are responsible for original sin, a women wants the head of john the Baptist, a woman is always the bad person. I don't understand. I think t's because that the penholders were men and they were sexests. (I'd like Dogma for making me think about that.)

No, it is because at the time King James translated the Dead Sea Scrolls, that had not all been found.

Eve did commit the first act of sin, but she was goaded by the serpent (Satan) and most people don't recignize the fact that Adam was standing right by her when she committed the sin. Did he try and stop her ?

An interesting question, since the Bible teaches that women should be submissive to their spouses, and that men should be the head of the household.

The sins of men were not often thought of in the context you are referring to, and perhaps some of it has to do with the fact that men wrote the Bible, however God inspired the men that wrote it, and therefor it is safe to assume that the sin portrayed in the Bible regarding women should be seen as teaching methods, rather an accusatory statements.

quote:Originally posted by DarkDynamoX:

Okay, a couple of things.

A)Why is there so many books censored from the Bible? The Book of Thomas, The Book of Mary Magdoline, no where but in the Dead Sea Scrolls, so why not include them too? Is it because these books depicet Jesus as a man and not the son of god?



Ok, once upon a time there was this organization called the Council of Nicea. They took all the compiled holy books and determined via. popular vote of the council members which scriptures were divinely inspired and which scriptures were not.

Certain books made the cut, certain books didn't. The ones that didn't are referred to as Apocraphal texts.

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B)Why are Women turned into the bad people in here? Women are responsible for original sin, a women wants the head of john the Baptist, a woman is always the bad person. I don't understand. I think t's because that the penholders were men and they were sexests. (I'd like Dogma for making me think about that.)

It was the cultural norm at the time.

That still is no reason for Christians to ignore it. It is in the New Testament after all.

1 Corinthians 14:34 Let your women keep silence in the churches: for it is not permitted unto them to speak; but they are commanded to be under obedience as also saith the law.

1 Corinthians 14:35: And if they will learn any thing, let them ask their husbands at home: for it is a shame for women to speak in the church.

1 Timothy 2:12: But I suffer not a woman to teach, nor to usurp authority over the man, but to be in silence.

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quote:Originally posted by Dark_Magneto:



Certain books made the cut, certain books didn't. The ones that didn't are referred to as Apocraphal texts.

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Does anyone know where you can read these? Google screwed me over with it...

quote:Originally posted by bilzo:

Does anyone know where you can read these? Google screwed me over with it...

Here are some sites I found for you:

http://www.comparative-religion.com/christianity/apocrypha/new-testament-apocrypha/

http://www.harrietcarter.com/Detail.cfm?prod=7456&UDC=Y

http://ccat.sas.upenn.edu/%7Ehumm/Resources/Texts/dss.html