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Digital_Savior
2004-06-18, 18:24
We've all heard the claims that there are many contradictions in Genesis. Many people, for instance, believe that there are inconsistencies between the creation accounts of Genesis chapter 1 and chapter 2. So what about all of the supposed contradictions?

There are none!



If, with the NIV, we read 'Now the LORD God had planted a garden in the east . . .' (Genesis 2:8) and, 'Now the LORD God had formed out of the ground all the beasts of the field . . .' (Genesis 2:19 with emphasis added), it is clearly seen that chapter 2 states that the plants and animals were formed before Adam. When Adam named the animals (Genesis 2:20), they obviously were already in existence. There is no contradictory significance in the order of animals listed in Genesis 2:20; it is probably the order in which Adam met the animals, while the order of their creation is given in Genesis 1:20-25. Dr Henry Morris comments:

"It was only the animals in closest proximity and most likely as theoretical candidates for companionship to man that were actually brought to him. These included the birds of the air, the cattle (verse 20 - probably the domesticated animals), and the beasts of the field, which were evidently the smaller wild animals that would live near human habitations. Those not included were the fish of the sea, the creeping things, and the beasts of the earth mentioned in Genesis 1:24, which presumably were those wild animals living at considerable distance from man and his cultivated fields." [1].

Concerning the names of geographical sites, we have no idea what the configuration of the land or the rivers was before the Flood, because the pre-Flood world was completely destroyed. The land areas and rivers named before the Flood do not correspond to similarly named features after the Flood.

The purpose of Genesis 2:18-25 is not to give another account of creation but to show that there was no kinship whatsoever between Adam and the animals. None was like him, and so none could provide fellowship or companionship for him. Why not? Because Adam had not evolved from them, but was 'a living soul' whom God had created 'in His own image' (Genesis 2:7 and 1:27). This means (among other things) that God created Adam to be a person whom He could address, and who could respond to and interact with Him. Here, as in many other places, the plain statements of the Bible confront and contradict the notion of human evolution.

There is therefore enough evidence for us to conclude that Adam most probably was the author of Genesis 2:4b-5:1, and that this is his record of his own experiences with respect to events in the Garden of Eden, the creation of Eve, the Fall, and in the lives of Cain, Abel, and Seth.



The next section is from 5:1b to 6:9a, and deals with the line from Adam to Noah, ending with, 'These are the generations [or origins] of Noah.'

The next section is from 6:9b to 10:1a, and deals mainly with the Ark and the Flood, ending with, 'Now these are the generations of the sons of Noah, Shem, Ham, and Japheth.' The wording of this subscript suggests that this portion was written by one of Noah's sons, probably Shem, as Moses was descended from Shem. These chapters read very much like an eye-witness account because of the intimacy of detail which they contain. Consider Genesis 8:6-12 and note how this contains that ring of authenticity which is characteristic of an eye-witness account. It may even have been Shem's diary!

Genesis 8:6-12 (KJV):



And it came to pass at the end of forty days, that Noah opened the window of the ark which he had made: And he sent forth a raven, which went forth to and fro, until the waters were dried up from off the earth. Also he sent forth a dove from him, to see if the waters were abated from off the face of the ground; But the dove found no rest for the sole of her foot, and she returned unto him into the ark, for the waters were on the face of the whole earth: then he put forth his hand, and took her, and pulled her in unto him into the ark. And he stayed yet other seven days; and again he sent forth the dove out of the ark; And the dove came in to him in the evening; and, lo, in her mouth was an olive leaf pluckt off: so Noah knew that the waters were abated from off the earth. And he stayed yet other seven days; and sent forth the dove; which returned not again unto him any more.

Such meticulous details are the stuff of authentic eye-witness testimony.

There is thus a substantial body of evidence that these portions of Genesis were written by the persons named therein, for the purpose of making and passing on a permanent record.



So then, were these first 11 chapters written as a record of authentic historical facts?



The much-debated first 11 chapters of Genesis have incurred the most criticism from modern scholars, scientists, and sceptics. Proposals of proper interpretation have included looking at these chapters as poetry, parables, prophecy, letters, biography, or autobiography/personal testimony.

So what is the biblical evidence to show that these first 11 chapters are actually a record of authentic historical facts?

INTERNAL EVIDENCE OF THE BOOK OF GENESIS

There is the internal evidence of the book of Genesis itself. As already mentioned, chapters 12-50 have always been regarded by the Jewish people as being the record of their own true history, and the style of writing contained in chapters 1-11 is not strikingly different from that in chapters 12-50.

Hebrew scholars of standing have always regarded this to be the case. Thus, Professor James Barr, Regius Professor of Hebrew at the University of Oxford, has written:

'Probably, so far as I know, there is no professor of Hebrew or Old Testament at any world-class university who does not believe that the writer(s) of Genesis 1-11 intended to convey to their readers the ideas that:

(a) creation took place in a series of six days which were the same as the days of 24 hours we now experience

(b) the figures contained in the Genesis genealogies provided by simple addition a chronology from the beginning of the world up to later stages in the biblical story

(c) Noah's flood was understood to be world-wide and extinguish all human and animal life except for those in the ark.

Or, to put it negatively, the apologetic arguments which suppose the "days" of creation to be long eras of time, the figures of years not to be chronological, and the flood to be a merely local Mesopotamian flood, are not taken seriously by any such professors, as far as I know.' [9].

One of the main themes of Genesis is the Sovereignty of God. This is seen in God's actions in respect of four outstanding events in Genesis 1-11 (Creation, the Fall, the Flood, and the Babel dispersion), and His relationship to four outstanding people in Genesis 12-50 (Abraham, Isaac, Jacob, and Joseph). There is thus a unifying theme to the whole of the book of Genesis, which falls to the ground if any part is mythical and not true history; on the other hand, each portion reinforces the historical authenticity of the other. [10].



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EVIDENCE FROM THE REST OF THE BIBLE

The principal people mentioned in Genesis chapters 1-11 are referred to as real - historical, not mythical - people in the rest of the Bible, often many times. For example, Adam, Eve, Cain, Abel, and Noah are referred to in 15 other books of the Bible.

The Lord Jesus Christ referred to the Creation of Adam and Eve as a real historical event, by quoting Genesis 1:27 and 2:24 in His teaching about divorce (Matthew 19:3-6; Mark 10:2-9), and by referring to Noah as a real historical person and the Flood as a real historical event, in His teaching about the 'coming of the Son of man' (Matthew 24:37-39; Luke 17:26-27).

Unless the first 11 chapters of Genesis are authentic historical events, the rest of the Bible is incomplete and incomprehensible as to its full meaning. The theme of the Bible is Redemption, and may be outlined thus:

i. God's redeeming purpose is revealed in Genesis 1-11,

ii. God's redeeming purpose progresses from Genesis 12 to Jude 25, and

iii. God's redeeming purpose is consummated in Revelation 1-22.

But why does mankind need to be redeemed? What is it that he needs to be redeemed from? The answer is given in Genesis 1-11, namely, from the ruin brought about by sin. Unless we know that the entrance of sin to the human race was a true historical fact, God's purpose in providing a substitutionary atonement is a mystery. Conversely, the historical truth of Genesis 1-11 shows that all mankind has come under the righteous anger of God and needs salvation from the penalty, power, and presence of sin.



Unless the events of the first chapters of Genesis are true history, the Apostle Paul's explanation of the Gospel in Romans chapter 5 and of the resurrection in 1 Corinthians chapter 15 has no meaning. Paul writes: 'For as by one man's [Adam's] disobedience many were made sinners, so by the obedience of one [Jesus] shall many be made righteous' (Romans 5:19). And, 'For since by man came death, by man came also the resurrection of the dead. For as in Adam all die, even so in Christ shall all be made alive . . . And so it is written, The first man Adam was made a living soul; the last Adam was made a quickening spirit' (1 Corinthians 15:21-22; 45). The historical truth of the record concerning the first Adam is a guarantee that what God says in His Word about the last Adam [Jesus] is also true. Likewise, the historical, literal truth of the record concerning Jesus is a guarantee that what God says about the first Adam is also historically and literally true.

If we apply the normal principles of biblical exegesis (ignoring pressure to make the text conform to the evolutionary prejudices of our age), it is overwhelmingly obvious that Genesis was meant to be taken in a straightforward, obvious sense as an authentic, literal, historical record of what actually happened.

REFERENCES

[9] Letter from Professor James Barr to David C.C. Watson of the UK, dated April 23, 1984. Copy held by the author. Note that Prof. Barr does not claim to believe that Genesis is historically true; he is just telling us what, in his opinion, the language was meant to convey.

[10] Adapted from J. Sidlow Baxter, Explore the Book, Vol. 1, pp. 27-29.

Aphelion Corona
2004-06-18, 18:47
Good post man. What was that about Adam being the author of Genesis though? Wouldn't it be better explained if God was dictating it to Moses as if Moses was stood on the surface of the earth at the time?

Digital_Savior
2004-06-18, 19:49
*bounce*

Dark_Magneto
2004-06-18, 20:14
It would be nice if you would link to your sources

http://www.christiananswers.net/q-aig/aig-c023.html

Digital_Savior
2004-06-19, 00:59
quote:Originally posted by Dark_Magneto:

It would be nice if you would link to your sources

http://www.christiananswers.net/q-aig/aig-c023.html

But why ? If I only put a link, most won't follow to read it...

If I put both, I am being redundant, right ?

Or are you just trying to prove that you know the origin of my post ? :-)

Optimus Prime
2004-06-19, 02:01
It's more so you can show you're not pulling it out of your ass.

4Sight
2004-06-19, 03:20
Where's the fucking mod of this forum? Ban this fucking douchebag.

UnknownVeritas
2004-06-19, 03:25
Savior... I'm sure more would pay attention to you if you didn't have 8 or 9 threads in which the only responses are you bumping your own goddamned information. If people aren't reading or giving a damn, quit clogging the fuckin forum. All you're doing is pasting a bunch of crap from religious sites. Bring some of your own opinions into one good, coherent thread.

truckfixr
2004-06-19, 04:56
quote:Originally posted by Digital_Savior:

But why ? If I only put a link, most won't follow to read it...

If I put both, I am being redundant, right ?

Or are you just trying to prove that you know the origin of my post ? :-)



Just post a link and a quote or two from the link.If someone is interested, they will follow the link.

Actually, If I was remotely interested in reading any of this rediculous creationist nonsense, I am quite capable of using google on my own.

Give it a rest already.

Digital_Savior
2004-06-23, 07:49
quote:Originally posted by Aphelion Corona:

Good post man. What was that about Adam being the author of Genesis though? Wouldn't it be better explained if God was dictating it to Moses as if Moses was stood on the surface of the earth at the time?

Yes, looking back on that, I believe that was a typographical error...or any kind of error, really.

Moses was the author of Genesis, period.

I don't know ANYONE (Christian or not) that believes Adam was the author...

Thanks. *smiles*

JMcSmoky
2004-06-23, 19:24
Digital Savior is by far my favorite poster in this forum. He or she is absolutely amazing to me. I've never encountered anyone who is so blind in so many ways!

MasterPython
2004-06-23, 20:26
quote:Originally posted by Digital_Savior:

But why ? If I only put a link, most won't follow to read it...

If I put both, I am being redundant, right ?

Or are you just trying to prove that you know the origin of my post ? :-)

No you wouldn't be redundant. You would be following the copyright policy of the website that you are curently plagerising. they require you to get permituion before using teir material. Your posts as is are ileagal.



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