Does anyone know what kind of acts are acheived by black magic. I know you can put spells and curses but that is not what i mean.

The Temple of Set, and the Church of Satan are heavily involved in ritual and chaos magic. But there is not many examples of what these guys actually acheive.

There is a old story i read about a former sorcerer called Ciprian, becoming a saint in the Orthodox church. Its a very interesting read about the examples of black magics effects.

http://www.orthodoxinfo.com/death/cyprian_justina.aspx

Just want some contemparary examples.

*sigh*

Forget this black magick bullshit... just... forget it. Most western magick systems are full of shit.

do you mean magick. There is a difference

Church Of Satan(COS) in it's own right is now a black magic practising organization, but those who follow the traditional aspects of it generally are, but even then it's more towards 40% of those people practise the rituals/black magick part of it.



If you care for the various forms of Magic and Summoning, I can tell you of afew sites that have such things. (I myself have not practised any of these, and would grealy appriciate any feed back if anyone does try these, be it feed back saying it worked or feed back saying it does not, I find this kind of thing interesting and would like to learn about it through feed back).



Some sites are: http://www.apodion.com/vad/section.php?id=26

http://www.spellsandmagic.com/

http://www.angelfire.com/empire/serpentis666/SPELLS.html (This Is Joyofsatan.com if you want the true direct Domain)

http://altreligion.about.com/library/bl_satanicritual.htm?once=true&



Those are all the sites that I can actualy remember.

Below Are Links to testimonails, or pages that have testimonials within them:

http://www.angelfire.com/empire/serpentis666/Testamonials_Essays.html

http://www.angelfire.com/empire/serpentis666/DEMONIV.html

http://www.angelfire.com/empire/serpentis666/DEMONV.html

http://www.angelfire.com/empire/serpentis666/DEMONVI.html

http://www.angelfire.com/empire/serpentis666/DEMONVII.html

http://www.angelfire.com/empire/serpentis666/DEMONVIII.html

Note:

COS and Joy Of Satan are differnet and do not have the exact same beliefs.



Note 2:

I am not a satanist nor have I practised any of the above things.



Sorry if any of this offends you, or this is not what you wanted.



[This message has been edited by Gyhth (edited 06-22-2004).]

Thanks Gyhth that is exactly what I am after.

Crow, yes I know there is a difference in Magik and Magic and Majik and Majick. The true is people spell it many different ways, I have heard that magic is for normal, illusionist or children’s magic, and Magik is occult.

Thanks for pointing that out, maybe you could now help us with the topic since the spelling bee is over.

If wou want some books on it head over to

http://www.onewitch.com/

The reason you don't see what the Temple of Set and the Church of Satan have accomplished is because Magick is 100% bullshit.

i disagree, vehemently.

quote:Originally posted by SARDONICPILLOW:

i disagree, vehemently.

What are the reasons why you disagree for? Do you have some personal experiance.

Actually I was reading those links above and thought most of the post are made by depressed losers who think that by praying to Satan all their problems mysteriously go away, without any proof whatsoever.

Its just christianity in reverse.

Don't confuse Satanism with Hermetic, or the Thelema.

quote:Originally posted by jimbo_aust:

What are the reasons why you disagree for? Do you have some personal experiance.

i disagree because i see and experience magick every day

That would be because you have a mental disorder that allows you to blame mishaps and coincidence on magick. The universe didn't get to be 14b years old because it's magical, it just fucking works, and in such a gigantic system of course things are going to happen that seem odd...but it certainly isn't magick.

I say let him speak his case.

SARDONICPILLOW, can you give a few examples of magick you experience every day?

quote:Originally posted by Craftian:

I say let him speak his case.

SARDONICPILLOW, can you give a few examples of magick you experience every day?

I would also like to hear what SARDONICPILLOW has to say. What do you do and what are the results? What is the magick you experience every day?

quote:Originally posted by SARDONICPILLOW:

i disagree because i see and experience magick every day

OK we have waited long enough, give us some of your personal examples of how you experiance black magick everyday, the results of it, any supernatural things that occur during it, whatever.

Otherwise it will be proven in this thread that magick is a figment of the mind and it does not exist.

Backup your weak defence of magick.

calm down, i'll post when i want to.

even if i don't post that doens't disprove the notion of magick, idiot.

i don't practice black magick, but i have experienced it, and it's effects.

there isn't much i can prove to someone like you who has their third eye so arrogantly closed so i'm not even going to bother.

i will say however that if we traveled back in time and showed them a television or some other contraption it would be magick to them, and now it is commonplace and can be explained by science now.

there isn't much credible proof i can show you through words on a message board. if you really wanted to experience it you would, i don't need to sit here and tell about my experiences to some arrogant prick with his 3rd eye nailed shut for his entertainment or because he thinks that will prove it.

[This message has been edited by SARDONICPILLOW (edited 06-25-2004).]

^So what your saying is you don't have any credible proof at all.

I thought so.

Don't misunderstand me, I would like to witness or believe it, I want to expand my mind of these types of phenomena, taken that they do exist.

And don't call me an idiot. There’s no need to throw insults, just because you cant backup your weak argument.

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quote:Originally posted by jimbo_aust:

Thanks Gyhth that is exactly what I am after.

Crow, yes I know there is a difference in Magik and Magic and Majik and Majick. The true is people spell it many different ways, I have heard that magic is for normal, illusionist or children’s magic, and Magik is occult.

Thanks for pointing that out, maybe you could now help us with the topic since the spelling bee is over.



Not at all. Magic is the traditional way of spelling it, Magick is A. Crowley's brand of magic.

quote:Originally posted by Optimus Prime:

That would be because you have a mental disorder that allows you to blame mishaps and coincidence on magick. The universe didn't get to be 14b years old because it's magical, it just fucking works, and in such a gigantic system of course things are going to happen that seem odd...but it certainly isn't magick.



Magic(k), like so much else, is just a part of the universe. This is not to say I am in favour of it or whatever.

Hey SARDONICPILLOW, I'm trying to keep an open mind here. I'm not asking for proof, I just want to hear some examples of how you've experienced the effects of magick.

This kind of stuff interests me.

This is in my set of beliefs and has nothing to do with black magick but here it is: I believe that magick is just basically energy that is in every living thing and when you have a "religious experience" (prayer, spellcasting ect.) all you do is break down the barriers in your mind and tap into that energy and form it to your will. It is a personal experiance, you CAN feel it, you can literally feel the energy moving through your body and out into wherever. It does exist and -in the words of SARDONIC PILLOW- if you have your third eye nailed shut you won't be able to sense it or recognize it's effects.

Sorry if I offended anyone and if you think I'm wrong, please reply because I would love to learn more

If you can demonstrate magick, feel free to pick up your 1 million dollars (http://randi.org/research/index.html) at your earliest covenience.

quote:Originally posted by Dark_Magneto:

If you can demonstrate magick, feel free to pick up your 1 million dollars (http://randi.org/research/index.html) at your earliest covenience.

Exactly.

quote:Originally posted by Dark_Magneto:

If you can demonstrate magick, feel free to pick up your 1 million dollars (http://randi.org/research/index.html) at your earliest covenience.

Since when does the Occult work to scientific rules?

magic is not very scientifically provable with what we currently know of science. Magic is not reliable enough, and not observable enough.

people don't need to prove themselves to anyone.

There's a book called The Conscious Universe by Dean Radin that shows decades of scientific research that proves PSI, yet do scientists believe or accept PSI? Not out loud. The way they play with statistics and averages during testing, you are guaranteed not to be able to "prove" anything, which is exactly what they want.

Magic/Psi is seen as a threat and is restricted, controlled, or banned.

Peter Carroll theorizes about Magicians operating in underground prison cells in the future..

in the present day, when the public suckles on the fear machine, i do not think the realization of this would be taken kindly...more likely another Red Scare scenario.

On the one hand he claims he's open to all possibilites, then a few seconds later he'll say that he can't see any way magick can be real. He's closed to even the possibilty, so any attempt to win the million dollar prize will end in failure through some ever-present loophole. but at least he manages to discourage the fakers.

Why do they want to own EXCLUSIVE rights to the results? Why do they want you to sign a paper that says they have the right to edit - IN ANY MANNER - the test, its results and the publicity associated with it? Why do they want you to release your right to sue for ANY reason before the test is formed or done?

Imagine being known across the country, even the globe, as a "real magician." You'll never be able to show your face in public again, between the people who want you to bless them, heal them, tell them where their lost kitty is, and those who want you dead for "trafficking with Satan."

I'd rather pay my bills the old fashioned way- working.

and also, another strong possibility is being locked up like a lab rat and kept to do experiments on because you're "dangerous" and stuff

quote:Originally posted by SARDONICPILLOW:

Since when does the Occult work to scientific rules?

I never said it did. If it worked according to scientific rules, then it would be science and not magick.

But since it claims to be outside the realm of science, all one has to do is demonstrate it. That is all. You don't have to explain how or why it works, you just have to show that it does.

If they can't figure it out, explain it, and reproduce it with science, then you have done what no other person in the world that has been able to do and you get the million.

quote:Originally posted by Dark_Magneto:

If you can demonstrate magick, feel free to pick up your 1 million dollars (http://randi.org/research/index.html) at your earliest covenience.

Sure, I'll do that some day. http://www.totse.com/bbs/smile.gif (http://www.totse.com/bbs/smile.gif)

Knowing me, though, I would mess up the day of. I have off days. Most I've ever done is rolled a pencil across my desk. I believe I was either: Hallucinating or some outside source was messing with it, though.

SARDONICPILLOW makes some very good points. if someone was to prove publically that magick does exist then i wouldnt take long for the rest of society to see that person as a dangerous threat that needs to be controlled. most of the things ive ever read about any type of magick usually strongly urges people not to tell others of their work and to keep it quiet. society in general is, i think, too narrow minded on these sorts of topics. anything new is feared or ridiculed unless it can be proven beyond scientific doubt. i myself just find it quite odd that so many people can believe so whole heartedly in god and miracles and yet many would say that magick does not exist. humans are naive and paranoid. upon encountering anything new they view it to be their imminent demise and so either ignore it or fight it in any way they can. they rarely explore its potential or so much as try to view it in a positive way.

quote:Originally posted by SARDONICPILLOW:

Imagine being known across the country, even the globe, as a "real magician." You'll never be able to show your face in public again, between the people who want you to bless them, heal them, tell them where their lost kitty is, and those who want you dead for "trafficking with Satan."

And those who want to suck your supposed "powers" off you (those already prone to magical "thinking"), or those who want you to make them rich and powerful - making you into some kind of milk cow, in short - or even wanting to get you locked up. You make a good point there, SARDONICPILLOW.

The case of Socrates comes as close to this as possible. Although not reputed as a magician, he was known and respected, and I daresay feared by some, for his intelligence and mental and discursive abilities.

In the end they got him.

He was accused of "corrupting youth" (and this in an aera when paedophilia was almost fashionable) and forced to swallow the poison-filled chalice. Which he did, refusing the option of flight, offered to him by a friend.



[This message has been edited by Uncus (edited 06-27-2004).]

Repent your evil ways!! Come to god and save you soul from eternal damnation and pain! Magic is the work of the devil and it will lead you to suffering for all you days!

Repent i say Repent!

im just shitin with ya. its a joke haha

but seriously ill belive in magic and all this other voodoo hippy shit when i see it with my own 2 eyes. but until then..... you are all a bunch of dumbass fucktards who need a life and cheer the fuck up. im tired of all this satanic bs. you dudes need meds and serious counceling.

yours truley,

joe the stoner

quote:Originally posted by Auron547:

Repent your evil ways!! Come to god and save you soul from eternal damnation and pain! Magic is the work of the devil and it will lead you to suffering for all you days!

Repent i say Repent!

Wow, the man pwned the devil herself!

You are now the moderator of life, baby! http://www.totse.com/bbs/biggrin.gif (http://www.totse.com/bbs/biggrin.gif)

~ON_TOPIC~

Black magic?

Bah, that's foolish.

Magic is magic is magic. Would electricity used for keeping a person alive be considered "white electricity"? How about the same electricity used to murder someone (be it government-sanctioned murder or not [but that's for another topic, eh? http://www.totse.com/bbs/biggrin.gif (http://www.totse.com/bbs/biggrin.gif)]), is that "black electricity"?

The action one takes with a force doesn't mean the force is changed by the action. Electricity, like magic, isn't black or white. It's just it.

It has no will of it's own but to do what the caster willed of it. So if the caster willed a hex on someone, the magic isn't black, the caster's deed is.

Oh, and I don't believe that there is anything paranormal about magic. It's just positive/negative thinking, applied with a little bit of action on the universal web.

In the end, though, what goes around has a sickening way of coming around, so try to not make too many ripples on the web. http://www.totse.com/bbs/smile.gif (http://www.totse.com/bbs/smile.gif)

quote:Originally posted by Gustave:

Wow, the man pwned the devil herself!

You are now the moderator of life, baby! http://www.totse.com/bbs/biggrin.gif (http://www.totse.com/bbs/biggrin.gif)

~ON_TOPIC~

Black magic?

Bah, that's foolish.

Magic is magic is magic. Would electricity used for keeping a person alive be considered "white electricity"? How about the same electricity used to murder someone (be it government-sanctioned murder or not [but that's for another topic, eh? http://www.totse.com/bbs/biggrin.gif (http://www.totse.com/bbs/biggrin.gif)]), is that "black electricity"? http://www.totse.com/bbs/smile.gif (http://www.totse.com/bbs/smile.gif)

Not the electricity itself would be "black". Electricity is just a natural phenomenon. It's the set of techniques involving electricity and used to kill or hurt people, (or used for purely egoistical purposes I presume) which would, analogically, called black.



quote:The action one takes with a force doesn't mean the force is changed by the action. Electricity, like magic, isn't black or white. It's just it.

See, that's where the misconception lies. Electricity is a natural phenomenon, magic is not. Magic is a set of techniques just like the know-how involved in extracting iron out of its ore, let's say. It's an art, a science, or whatever you want to call it, developed by man (or given to him by supernatural beings, if you happen to prefer to believe that), but it is not as such a natural phenomenon.

[This message has been edited by Uncus (edited 06-30-2004).]

quote:Originally posted by Uncus:

Not the electricity itself would be "black". Electricity is just a natural phenomenon. It's the set of techniques involving electricity and used to kill or hurt people, (or used for purely egoistical purposes I presume) which would, analogically, called black.

But isn't magic a natural phenomenon as well, harnessed by humans?

quote:Originally posted by Uncus:

See, that's where the misconception lies. Electricity is a natural phenomenon, magic is not. Magic is a set of techniques just like the know-how involved in extracting iron out of its ore, let's say. It's an art, a science, or whatever you want to call it, developed by man (or given to him by supernatural beings, if you happen to prefer to believe that), but it is not as such a natural phenomenon.

Wait, are we talking about actually magic, or are we talking about the whole "I cast fireball, and then use my alchemy level to get gold from lead!"? Because both exist, but the latter only in fiction (until we devise a way to throw giant balls of fire at each other, and tear apart atoms of lead to create gold), and the former in actual life as positive thinking, and influence on the universal web.

quote:Originally posted by SARDONICPILLOW:

Since when does the Occult work to scientific rules?

magic is not very scientifically provable with what we currently know of science. Magic is not reliable enough, and not observable enough.

people don't need to prove themselves to anyone.

There's a book called The Conscious Universe by Dean Radin that shows decades of scientific research that proves PSI, yet do scientists believe or accept PSI? Not out loud. The way they play with statistics and averages during testing, you are guaranteed not to be able to "prove" anything, which is exactly what they want.

Magic/Psi is seen as a threat and is restricted, controlled, or banned.

Peter Carroll theorizes about Magicians operating in underground prison cells in the future..

in the present day, when the public suckles on the fear machine, i do not think the realization of this would be taken kindly...more likely another Red Scare scenario.

On the one hand he claims he's open to all possibilites, then a few seconds later he'll say that he can't see any way magick can be real. He's closed to even the possibilty, so any attempt to win the million dollar prize will end in failure through some ever-present loophole. but at least he manages to discourage the fakers.

Why do they want to own EXCLUSIVE rights to the results? Why do they want you to sign a paper that says they have the right to edit - IN ANY MANNER - the test, its results and the publicity associated with it? Why do they want you to release your right to sue for ANY reason before the test is formed or done?

Imagine being known across the country, even the globe, as a "real magician." You'll never be able to show your face in public again, between the people who want you to bless them, heal them, tell them where their lost kitty is, and those who want you dead for "trafficking with Satan."

I'd rather pay my bills the old fashioned way- working.

and also, another strong possibility is being locked up like a lab rat and kept to do experiments on because you're "dangerous" and stuff



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