I'm not too sure about this but I think Haloween is a Wiccan festval and alot of christians do it. And in the bible it says haloweens worshiping the deval. It's werid in a way.

Of course, it's a pagan festival (not wiccan).

Although Christian in name, most western countries probably have inherited, or have some strata in their populations which are practisting with tacit consent of the religious authorities, some pagan festivals, as well as many forms of superstition which are actually remnants or altered versions of old pagan practices.

Oh god, it's you again.

Anyway: Some celebrations have existed for tens of thousands of years, much longer than religions like Christianity (less than 2000 years) or Wicca (less than 70 years) have existed. But in the creation of these later religions, new meaning was given to existing celebrations. It isn't as if anyone "stole" holidays from other religions.

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quote:Originally posted by smoketheweed2:

I'm not too sure about this but I think Haloween is a Wiccan festval and alot of christians do it. And in the bible it says haloweens worshiping the deval. It's werid in a way.

The name haloween translates into all saints days somehow. So at one point it was a Catholic holiday. Alot of religions have festival around that time of year.

Where in the Bible does it say Haloween is devil worship. I've seen the funny comics about that but never found the part in the Bible.

quote:Originally posted by MasterPython:

I've seen the funny comics about that but never found the part in the Bible.



those comics are so damn funny

Hallowe'en is a celtic pagan festival (no, that doesn't mean wiccan - wicca was formulated in the 1950's). The bible says absolutely nothing about it, because funnily enough, nobody from the middle east at the time ever visited the English Isles...

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Samhain (SOW-ane) is the end of the year, and also the boundaries of the two worlds dissolve.

Master Python:

Halloween

is

All Hallows Eve

is

The Eve of All Who are Holy

is

The Eve for Saints

is

All Saints Day

(At least I think)

VampireSlaya :

quote:the English Isles...

That's "the British Isles...". "Britain" and "England" are not interchangeable, in the same way that "The United States" and "Ohio" are not interchangeable.

Other than that, right on!

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quote:Originally posted by MasterPython:

The name haloween translates into all saints days somehow. So at one point it was a Catholic holiday. Alot of religions have festival around that time of year.



The day after Haloween, not Haloween itself is the Catholic holiday all saints' day. Samhain existed long before wicca (only about 50 years old) as a celtic pagan holiday.

quote:That's "the British Isles...". "Britain" and "England" are not interchangeable, in the same way that "The United States" and "Ohio" are not interchangeable.

Right, sorry. I keep getting that confused, because the English often call themselves British, and the Irish and Welsh tend not to.

You think halloween (hallowmass, samhain, etc...) is bad? It isn't even a sanctioned holiday.

Take a look at Christmas and Easter. Or should I say Yule and Beltane?

Almost all of the Christmas rituals are identical to the Yule festivities, right down to the tree and gift giving. The whole point of Christmas was to help convert pagans. Check the bible, the flocks of sheep were out. If 'Christ' were born in december, the flocks would have been stabled for the winter.

In aincent times Beltane was celebrated with a fertility ritual involving rampant sex and human sacrafice. And you can bet that after the rampant sex the sacrifice was willing to be cut up and spread about the fields to ensure a fertile crop. The human sacrifice part was abandoned thousands of years before the christians appeared on the scene though, so don't start getting any ideas on Christian Superiority. Anyone else see the parallels between the pagan death leading to life, and the death and ressurection thing? And let's not forget the Egyptian story of Osiris, another death and rebirth story.

The Christians wholeheartedly ripped off those holidays from the pagans, and you're concerned about halloween?

www.yourgoingtohell.com (http://www.yourgoingtohell.com) <-- Can't be real. CAN'T be. Anyways, read the section on Halloween.

In Ashland Oregon, the fundies closed down the town's yearly Halloween festival because it was "too dangerous".