One of the biggest lies Muslims say over and over again is that their Quran has never been changed and is the word of God, while the Christian and Jewish texts are corrupted. See this link for the truth.

http://forum.faithfreedom.org/viewtopic.php?p=26473

Ofcourse the koran has changed! Islam was a peaceful religion but then a few scholars wanted a war with 'infidels' so they added a few things that suited them

The Quran is no more fabricated than the New Testament, in my opinion, and according to "facts" it's no more fabricated than any other scripture.

Cheers,

Lost

quote:Originally posted by Sobol:

Ofcourse the koran has changed! Islam was a peaceful religion but then a few scholars wanted a war with 'infidels' so they added a few things that suited them

HA! Nothing more peaceful than a supposed prophet launching 27 brutal military campaigns during his lifetime, right? Presumably, the muslim fanatics hugged 2/3 of Christendom until they decided to convert...

Since Islam is a scam you should join the Purus religion

http://www.totse.com/bbs/Forum15/HTML/002726.html

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Christians admit that the Bible has different variants. A lot of Muslims claim to have the one true Quran which they claim to be the word of God (Allah) which they justify killing non-believers with.

quote:Originally posted by Armed&Angry:

HA! Nothing more peaceful than a supposed prophet launching 27 brutal military campaigns during his lifetime, right? Presumably, the muslim fanatics hugged 2/3 of Christendom until they decided to convert...

And I supose Christianity spread to South America, southern Africa and Asia through potlucks and brownies?

And I like hugs... http://www.totse.com/bbs/frown.gif (http://www.totse.com/bbs/frown.gif)

quote:Topic: The Quran is fake. Islam is a scam

Yeah, and all the other religions ooze integrity.

Christ, tell me somthing I don't know http://www.totse.com/bbs/rolleyes.gif (http://www.totse.com/bbs/rolleyes.gif).



I don't see how being violent would get Islam followers. I'd much rather join a benevolent religion. Incidentally, Islam was created to sort out the immense levels of crime in Mecca at the time (was it Christian? Can't remember), because Mecca had recently become very rich, and greed breeds crime. So true Islam anti-violence, but as with everything, there are utter bastards who will corrupt it to allow them to do whatever the hell they want.

It may shun other religions, but so do other religions. The only real difference is that Islam is relatively new so the other religions were around at the time of it's conception and it can shun them specificaly.

Join my religion. Purusism.

The Purus Religion

The Six Purus Laws:

1) You shall not harm or kill anyone unless you are threatened by that person or you or one of your family members are harmed. An eye for an eye and a tooth for a tooth.

2) You shall not steal

3) You shall not commit Adultery

4) You shall not use God’s name in vain.

5) You shall not worship idols or other Gods.

6) You shall establish courts or some system of justice to enforce the other five laws.



Hell and Heaven:

People who completely disregard the Six Purus Laws shall go to hell for eternity unless the LORD gives them another chance at life (reincarnation). All people who follow the Purus religion and its laws shall go to heaven. People who followed different religions yet haven’t sinned too much shall go into Limbo until they are cleansed of their sins when they go to heaven.

Forgiveness Prayer:

When you pray for forgiveness you should say this:

“I am praying to the merciful LORD, Yah, his son, Jesus, and their prophet, Alexander.

Oh merciful LORD, please forgive my wrong doings and sins last week as I forgive those who tresspass against me, and guide me in the future so I could avoid sinning again. AMEN."

Priests:

Priests only act as prayer and mass leaders since they have no other use since everyone can communicate to the LORD.

General Belief:

The LORD’s name is Yah, his son’s name is Jesus, and their prophet’s name is Alexander. All three of them are blessed and holy and you mustn’t use their name in vain for than you shall almost certainly go to hell.

General Sign:

A bible on fire and a cross rising out of it.

Shut up, bitch. We know

quote:Originally posted by Sam:

One of the biggest lies Muslims say over and over again is that their Quran has never been changed and is the word of God, while the Christian and Jewish texts are corrupted. See this link for the truth.

http://forum.faithfreedom.org/viewtopic.php?p=26473

Still can't speak for yourself huh? Well that's okay, nobody will take you seriously if you can't even speak, and it's not like you have anything serious to say.

quote:Originally posted by Sam:

Christians admit that the Bible has different variants. A lot of Muslims claim to have the one true Quran which they claim to be the word of God (Allah) which they justify killing non-believers with.



A lot of christian-types are exactly the same.

quote:Originally posted by Phrensied Rabbits:

And I supose Christianity spread to South America, southern Africa and Asia through potlucks and brownies?

And I like hugs... http://www.totse.com/bbs/frown.gif (http://www.totse.com/bbs/frown.gif)

I'm pretty sure Armed would say the same thing about Christianity. To my knowledge, he's a rather rational individual.

Nuclear jihad

http://www.jihadwatch.org/archives/000490.php

Sam, stop being such an Islamophobe and go to www.islamic-awareness.org (http://www.islamic-awareness.org)

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The lies of Palestine revealed!

http://www.eretzyisroel.org/~peters/

See also:

http://www.answering-islam.org/

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The Quran is based upon one man's(Mohammed) experiance in a cave. Honestly, how can this be more fabricated than the New Testament?

Mathew Chapter 27:

quote:

15: Beware of false prophets, which come to you in sheep's clothing, but inwardly they are ravening wolves.

16: Ye shall know them by their fruits. Do men gather grapes of thorns, or figs of thistles?

17: Even so every good tree bringeth forth good fruit; but a corrupt tree bringeth forth evil fruit.

18: A good tree cannot bring forth evil fruit, neither can a corrupt tree bring forth good fruit.

19: Every tree that bringeth not forth good fruit is hewn down, and cast into the fire.

20: Wherefore by their fruits ye shall know them.





ESCAPING ARAB FAILURE

By RALPH PETERS



April 23, 2004 -- WE shouldn't be discouraged by the recent round of violence in Iraq. It was predictable. But there were two disheartening signs:

* We should be troubled that, in this bloody month, none of the insurgents waved an alternative constitution - unless we count their perversion of the Koran. None of those violent men is fighting for freedom - they're fighting to strangle liberty in the cradle. They are, without exception, forces of reaction, not liberation, no matter how madly al-Jazeera twists the facts.

* Nor did the general Arab population or its leaders take a public stand against those who would renew their oppression. And those who will not defend their own freedom do not deserve to be defended by others.

Operation Iraqi Freedom has been, among other things, an attempt to give Arabs hope for a better future. The ultimate outcome won't be known for years, but we must prepare ourselves for the possibility that the Arabs are going to fail themselves again.

With sufficient troops, we can force Iraq's Arabs to behave. But we can't force them to succeed.

Ultimately, Iraq is not a test of the limits of American power. When necessary, we can do whatever must be done for our security and prosperity. Our use of force, in Iraq and elsewhere, has been remarkably - even foolishly - restrained.

If Iraq collapses into medieval fantasies and blood feuds, we still may be proud of having given this crippled civilization a last, great chance to heal itself. We've made mistakes, but their impact is minor compared to the unwillingness of Iraq's Arabs, Sunni or Shi'a, to build a free and civil society of their own.



In the United States, campus-generated political correctness was never more than a joke - capable of turning somber conservatives purple but unable to alter anything that matters. The far more dangerous form of political correctness is that which prevails in the dream-world of diplomacy: We pretend that all civilizations have equal merit.

But they don't. It's time to face up to the functional and moral collapse of the Arab world - if we can't describe the problem honestly, we shall never deal with it effectively.

Arab civilization has failed.

Disguised in part by the trappings of oil wealth, the Middle East has become humanity's sinkhole, less promising, if richer, than Africa. But no facade of garish hotels in the hollow states that line the Persian Gulf, and no amount of full-page advertisements funded by the Saudi government, can hide the truth any longer: The Arab Middle East has become the world's first entirely parasitical culture; all it does is to imitate poorly, consume voraciously, spit hatred, export death and create nothing.

Arab civilization offers its people no promising future, only rhetoric about a past whose achievements have been as exaggerated as they were impermanent. The present is a bloody, heartless muddle.

For all the oil wealth and expatriate university degrees, for all the hired-in expertise and Western "engagement," Arab civilization has degenerated to a point where it provides the rest of humanity nothing useful of its own design - while offering its own citizens only a culture of blame, corruption and lethargy.

It's a matter of culture, not race. In the free atmosphere of America, Arabs do as well as anyone else. All populations have their share of talent - but the oppressive environment of the Middle East enervates those individuals it does not crush entirely.

Iraq has been given a chance to break free of the thrall of a bankrupt culture, to establish a rule-of-law democratic government observant of human rights. But the chances are increasingly good that Iraq's Arabs will fail to achieve and maintain even minimal standards of good governance.

The time has not yet come, but, contrary to the sort of diplomatic wisdom that so long protected Saddam, we can walk away if Iraq's Arabs refuse to help themselves. And we can break up the country to protect the Kurds - a far better solution than turning Iraq over to the venal brokers of the United Nations.

The failure of Arab civilization in our time is the greatest such disaster in mankind's history. And, bitter though we find the proposition, the failure is so colossal that it cannot be neatly contained. Whether in Iraq today or elsewhere tomorrow, we cannot fully extract ourselves from this problem simply because our enemies won't let go.

If Iraq chooses failure, we can leave. But we'll be back, somewhere in the Middle East. Because, as we saw on 9/11, the Middle East will continue to come to us. Blame is the opium of the Arabs, and the sweetest blame for their failures is that directed at the United States (and, of course, Israel). It is our power itself, not its uses, that enrages Arabs trapped in their self-made weakness.

The oft-cited examples of the Arab world's problems, from a lack of interest in secular education and a poor work ethic to staggering corruption and the oppression of women, are symptoms, not root causes, of Arab failure. Past a certain analytical point, we come up against the wall of our own taboos - we cannot admit that the psychological premises of an entire civilization might be dysfunctional. Arab failure isn't about that which has been done to the Middle East, but that which the Middle East has done to itself.

Iraq still has a chance, if a slimmer one than we had hoped. But even if Iraq's Arabs disappoint our ambitions, our efforts will have been worthy and our losses not in vain. Intervention was unavoidable, whatever the critics say. Continued passivity in the face of the Middle East's implosion would only have made the price higher in the end.

We all would be better off were the Arabs to surprise us by building healthy, prosperous, modern societies. We would be foolish not to wish them well. But we would be equally foolish not to prepare ourselves for the consequences of their accelerating failure.

Ralph Peters is the author of "Beyond Baghdad: Postmodern War and Peace."

http://www.nypost.com/seven/04232004/postopinion/opedcolumnists/19362.htm

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http://forum.faithfreedom.org/viewtopic.php?t=483

15: Beware of false prophets, which come to you in sheep's clothing, but inwardly they are ravening wolves.

16: Ye shall know them by their fruits. Do men gather grapes of thorns, or figs of thistles?

17: Even so every good tree bringeth forth good fruit; but a corrupt tree bringeth forth evil fruit.

18: A good tree cannot bring forth evil fruit, neither can a corrupt tree bring forth good fruit.

19: Every tree that bringeth not forth good fruit is hewn down, and cast into the fire.

20: Wherefore by their fruits ye shall know them.



therefore, the christians that have brought forth evil fruit (and many have) are also false. it works both ways dipshit.

aTribeCalledSean, you are a shit head, a liar and a poor lower class toilet cleaner.

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