How can you believe in something for which there is no proof of existence? I mean, religion was invented, and there is no physical proof of a god. Like religion is merely a way for people to find a purpose in their nothing lives. They can not accept that they are in control of their own lives, they need someone else to place the blame on, or when something can't be explained, there needs to be something to explain it. Have a nice day!

my god is definitely real.

we talk all the time

Your funny. Seriously though, I want proof.

You know those things in some people's offices chillin' on their desks lookin' all spiffy and cool? Those things that are like dolphins doing millions upon millions of flips back and forth, or those balls that click clack click clack in endless proscession, or the different sized hoops flipping wildly intertwining with eachother? Aren't those things bad ass?

I think God is something like that, or at least God is the only word you can really come up with for the infinite upon infinite of all lives lived and all lives living throughough everything that is everything. "God" "Life" "Universe" whatever you wanna call it. We're kinda like those cool little dealies that just keep on going on looking pretty with no real point but looking pretty.

"God's conversation piece" that's us.

P.S. I'm drunk again.

That's why they call it "believing" and not "knowing".

Cheers,

Lost

If the universe was physical proof of god, how would you know?

As I've said before, you're having a direct experience of God all the time, but most people's minds are so clouded over with ego bullshit that we can't see it.

Hence why people meditate, stay off alcahol, or anything else which improves mental clarity and carves a path towards understanding.

quote:Originally posted by ---Beany---:

Hence why people meditate, stay off alcahol, or anything else which improves mental clarity and carves a path towards understanding.

How do you stay off alcohol and various other mind alterants (I.E. weed, LSD, etc. etc.) no sarcasm I would really really like to know, so far can't do it meself

quote:Originally posted by NihilisticAinSophAur:

How can you believe in something for which there is no proof of existence?

Evidently quite well, seeing that so many people do believe in god. I can't find myself believing based purely on faith because I'm not that kind of person. I can't believe in gravity until I can prove it exists.

quote:Originally posted by NihilisticAinSophAur:

I mean, religion was invented, and there is no physical proof of a god.

Problem is there is no evidence against god as well. In the end, it doesn't matter. If you believe, good for you. If you don't, good for you as well.

quote:Originally posted by NihilisticAinSophAur:

Like religion is merely a way for people to find a purpose in their nothing lives.

Some people need that in their lives. A reason to live. Something to believe in. Others don't.

quote:Originally posted by NihilisticAinSophAur:

They can not accept that they are in control of their own lives, they need someone else to place the blame on, or when something can't be explained, there needs to be something to explain it.

Yeah, and as long as they keep it to themselves it shouldn't be your problem. If you go out of your way (as you seem to have in this thread) to try and force people to believe in what you believe in, you won't be anymore right than the old Evangelist that forced people to convert, or die.

quote:Originally posted by NihilisticAinSophAur:

Your funny. Seriously though, I want proof.

if you want proof all you have to do is search with an open third eye.

quote:Originally posted by I_Like_Traffic_Lights:

How do you stay off alcohol and various other mind alterants (I.E. weed, LSD, etc. etc.) no sarcasm I would really really like to know, so far can't do it meself

Me either. I speak in theory, but once in a while I'll have moments where my consciousness feels heightened. Like when you go for a walk in the forest and your mind is completely calm. Your totally happy and everything just feels nice. These are moments where your mind is less cluttered by all the "Meaning" that's drummed into you since birth.

Hmm, this reminds me of a small story actually.

A guy comes home from work and see's his son on the couch. "What have you done today son" He says.

"Oh I went to the forest to see God." he says.

The father laughs. "Why son? God is everywhere. The god here right now is no different from the god you see in the forest".

"I know that" The kid says "But in the forest, I am different".



Anyways. I help myself to a certain extent. I eat healthy food, exercise, chant and meditate (Although not regularly enough).

quote:Originally posted by NihilisticAinSophAur:

How can you believe in something for which there is no proof of existence?

Like atoms for instance? Or the big bang? or evolution? None of these things have been proved-there is evedence towards tham and they haven't been disproved, but none have been completely proved.

you can ask that question about anything u think u know? everything you "know" has nothing to do with knowledge but everything to do with belief and/or perception. i mean, prove that the earth is round??? have u been to space to see the curviture of the earth? even then, wut if the window is actually a tv screen, u cant prove anything, all you have is what you beleive, a lil bit of common sense goes a long way into believing what is most probable. i DO believe the earth is round! i dont necessarily believe in "god", at least the interpretation that he/she is a supreme being, to me "god" is everything natural, is everything together, the universe and everything in it and everything outside of it, yet i dont completely dismiss the possibility that a supreme being exists, it would be arrogant and ignorant to believe otherwise.

quote:Originally posted by NihilisticAinSophAur:

How can you believe in something for which there is no proof of existence? I mean, religion was invented, and there is no physical proof of a god. Like religion is merely a way for people to find a purpose in their nothing lives. They can not accept that they are in control of their own lives, they need someone else to place the blame on, or when something can't be explained, there needs to be something to explain it. Have a nice day!

I so agree with you.I thoguht I was going to be kiledd a few weeks ago and I didn't even bother to pray.What the hell is the point.It's just wishful thinking to me.

quote:Originally posted by LostCause:

That's why they call it "believing" and not "knowing".

Cheers,

Lost



Whatta woman. I cRaVe YoU!!! http://www.totse.com/bbs/mad.gif (http://www.totse.com/bbs/mad.gif)

^^4u(Just to keep those that want to bicker off my back)

quote:Originally posted by NihilisticAinSophAur:

How can you believe in something for which there is no proof of existence?

What proof have you of anything?

I know I exist : Cognito Ergo Sum

I can't proove you exist any more than I can proove my brother exists.

We believe only what our eyes see, our tongues taste, ears hear, skin feels and nose smells.

My senses tell me that God exists, but why should I bother explaining this to you, because I can't be certain you don't exist?

What you are really asking is "What is philosophy?"

Why ask totse when you could ask Decartes, Maimonides or Aristotle?

For me, my reasons for God's existence come, primarily, from the life of Jesus and his death and resurrection.

Well, that's faith for you. I personally could stand religious people who saw god as more of an abstract thing. I would even accept it if someone personified something so that they could interact with it in a way meaningful to them. What I can't stand are people who believe in that whole feudalism based "god's that king guy, up in the sky, who I'll go to meet when I die" kind of stuff. That's where the whole Idea of 'religion is the opiate of the masses' came from. People who persist in believing that (the kind of people who refuse to consider evolution, and believe the world is flat) are just stunting the growth of their minds. I had to sit through a wedding filled with that crap, and let me tell you, it was extremely disturbing. That's the only kind of stuff you really need to have faith for; because it's portrayed as concrete realities. In my mind, it's nothing more than a political tool. I think that it was created as a way to explain things, and people desired explanations so badly, they believed the people who offered them, who then gained a considerable amount of political and financial power through manipulation of peoples desire to know.

Personally, I see 'god' as a culmination of all the living things (that originated from wherever life on earth originated) in the universe, as that's the only thing that seems to be driven by a purpose, which is to continue being alive. Since it's just an abstract idea, proof is not applicable.

Why not just stop trying to condemn people's faith and beliefs, NihilisticAinSophAur. I know a lot of good people who are not athiestic. So, why should they change their way of life?

Also, using the word second-person "you" in a topic, when the writer's intention is to persuade readers is very irritating. When I read the first post in this topic by NihilisticAinSophAur I was a little offended. How the hell do you, NihilisticAinSophAur, know what I value?

To add to the "discussion" here....

NihilisticAinSophAur offers many faults with what he believes is religion, but can he offer any more suiting world views? Any idiot can condemn people, but few can help.

I look outside and see the sky and know that I am still alive and its enough evidence for me. Maybe Gods abstract or maybe hes actually a person type of thing in the end it doesnt really matter.

doubleD645 to start off, I'm going to continue finding faults with religion then I'll offer ways to help people. Maybe you can help me, maybe you can not.

My main problem with religion is that it offers no concrete answers or solutions to problems encountered in life. I had a discussion with two of my Christian friends to find out what they believe. When I asked them "Why do bad things happen to good people?" the reply from both of them was "Everything happens for a reason." What reason? One friend said the reason is that if you didn't know hate, would you know love? This next idea assumes there are no bad people...a baby knows that it is loved, because in the absense of the mother, it will begin to feel lonely, like something is missing, but the mother is returned to the baby and happily feels the feeling of love.....is there any reason for that baby to experience hate when it knows what love is? If everything happens for a reason, that implies that fate is omnipresent...and suggests that an individual can't change his or her fate, which is bullshit because you have choice.



When asked about fate and if life is predetermined they both said "yes." One friend did offer a little more insight into the question and said "It's all written down in God's book." God did not write the bible, the bible is a collection of stories that have been written and rewritten for some 2000 years now. the word "bible means a collection of stories. Those who believe in different religions have rewritten and modified the bible as they saw fit. An example is the Christian Bible and the Islamic Qur'an.

Now the anthropic principle in quantum physics boils down to - the universe just "is" cause if it weren't, we wouldn't be here to wonder about it and ask about it. The anthropic principle is has been ignored because it didn't offer any solutions, it was an easy way out. The anthropic principle is much like religion because it offers no real solid or concrete answers to life. Things just are because thats what god wanted, people can't accept they are in charge of their own life, they need reason, someone to explain the good and bad, they just can't be so they enter religion to explain what they won't acknowledge.

any takers?

quote:Originally posted by NihilisticAinSophAur:

any takers?

takers of what? I told you, conversation piece. Pretty little in-and-out patterend conversation piece.

I'm looking for doubleD645's response to my post at 4:45

quote:Like religion is merely a way for people to find a purpose in their nothing lives.

quote:They can not accept that they are in control of their own lives,

Just like a Man that likes to drink and party...its like their not happy unless theyre intoxicated...

Maybe people like this cant face reality..and need some kind intoxicant so they can enter their own make believe world.

Your not the only one with theories.

quote:Originally posted by ChickenOfDoom:

(the kind of people who refuse to consider evolution, and believe the world is flat)

quote:Isiah 40:22 It is he that sitteth upon the circle of the earth, and the inhabitants thereof are as grasshoppers; that stretcheth out the heavens as a curtain, and spreadeth them out as a tent to dwell in:

Im sorry Catholics didnt regard their own Holy Book... they wouldve been way ahead of Science.

Faith is the basis of most religions anyway...

" There is no Religion higher than the Truth. "

Wow.... didn't know I was on the clock.

It's pretty pointless to try and argue a person out, or away from their religion. I mean, to make all of these claims, and point out facts and expect a person to change their mind on the spot is pretty pointless. That was the first thing that erked me about this post.

I'm almost positive many christians could do the same to athiests. By that I mean, Christians could all gather around and come up with countless things to back up their beliefs. Also, they could wonder how in the world people get by day-to-day without (a) God in their life.

Basically, bickering about religion is pointless. Some Christians are going to see their faith as flawless and ignore science.

Arguing about fate vs. free will is also pointless. Observe:

Assume this is true: No men have free will and life is only a destiny waiting to be played by man. Man also has this idea in his head as a belief. Say this man believes he is destined to a great leader of many. He will still make choices during the course of his life, although they will obviously be heavily influenced by his great leader belief. He could have gone right (the ability is present), but chose left for it is thought to get him closer to his destiny. If the man reaches his believed destiny, then idea of destiny is reinforced in his mind. If he does not, then doubt of destiny is placed instead.

Assume the following: Man has free will to do whatever the hell he pleases. A man grows up and thinks he would like to be a great leader of many. He perseveres throughout life and makes many different choices based on his abilities. If the man reaches his goal, the idea of free will is reinforced, for he believes he could always change what he accomplishes in life. If the man fails, there's doubt placed against the idea of free will, for maybe he was destined to become a janitor, after all.

Weather or not I arrive at point B from point A based on free will or destiny doesn't matter to me. I know I'm a human capable of thought and problem solving.

Weather or not those gifts were handed to me through destiny, or I acquired them through hard work doesn't change what I will accomplish in this lifetime.

--Also, I don't believe your friend was actually referring to the bible as we know it. I've heard the term "God's book" before, and I always thought of it as a supernal type of abstract "book" that exists only with the "higher powers" of ones life.

Heh for all of you who believe god is real... I'm terrified to imagine that you pray to someone who allows his "priests" to rape children in his "house". Fuck you dipshits i hope you die.

Yeah Spida...because every theist...even the several billion that aren't even Christian, happen to be Catholic...that's right. You're one ignorant fuck, you know that?

You're right, there is no real empirical evidence of God. And so long as you try to prove the existence of God using material ways, you will strive in vain because God is a spirit. A spirit has no flesh, no matter whatsoever. Now you say, then how am I supposed to believe. Good question. At some point you are going, excuse me, we, are all going to have to look at what life is. You have two choices. It either has meaning or it doesn't. If it has no meaning then you should have no need to find the meaning of nothing, yet you all come in here searching for truth. That, in and of itself is a reality that there is more than meets the eye. Can you honestly discredit that>? So since we've discovered that life does have meaning, then we have to consider what the meaning is. Is the meaning of life just to live? Is it to seek happiness? Is the meaning within ourselves. Doubtfully......

I only say this because when we die, even the memory of us will one day die. No one will even know we existed. So why do you spend countless hours seeking ways to fulfil yourself through gratification if it's all........... Meaningless. By your own admittence in statements, there is no purpose, so wouldn't death be welcomed? You never have to face the tragic thoughts of pointlessness. I believe in God, because there is overwhelming evidence of such. The mere fact that there is purpose is indicative that something allowed this to be. Looking at the order of life is an evidence of at least something with rational, logical thought is behind it. But if you are searching for evidence anywhere else other than spiritualy, you will be divided in your own thoughts and you will continue to live a drab, semi-existence, instead of a full, rich life as you were intended. Just pay a little homage to your Creator. The fact remains that 0 + 0 = 0. So if this is a fact then you have to consider that life was made not by nature alone, but rather supernature which does not have to lend itself to natural laws because it is the cause and maker of these laws. As such, it supercedes these laws. "How can the vessel of clay say to it's maker and molder, it's creator, 'i don't like how you've fasioned me'? It cannot. No more can you get angry with your parents for concieving you, do you have the right to question the providence of God and His ways. That is my take. Bear in mind that I was an Agnostic for 24 years, and i asked and toiled with the same questions I've seen posted in here. I am not recruiting you. I don't have the ability to save your life or your soul. It is God alone. God is a profound mystery. No one says otherwise. If they do, they are a fool.



quote:Originally posted by NihilisticAinSophAur:

How can you believe in something for which there is no proof of existence? I mean, religion was invented, and there is no physical proof of a god. Like religion is merely a way for people to find a purpose in their nothing lives. They can not accept that they are in control of their own lives, they need someone else to place the blame on, or when something can't be explained, there needs to be something to explain it. Have a nice day!

Ha, this thread proved a point. Arguing about religion is pointless. When you have a belief(or lack of) its like talking to a brick wall.

quote:Originally posted by NihilisticAinSophAur:

Ha, this thread proved a point. Arguing about religion is pointless. When you have a belief(or lack of) its like talking to a brick wall.

Hehe, that is very true. Especially over the internet, where the rules regarding religious arguments are still greatly unformed. http://www.totse.com/bbs/smile.gif (http://www.totse.com/bbs/smile.gif)

Religion is an endless debate that has spanned over a great amount of time. It, I suspect will never end until the time of man is over. Many philosophers have come and gone as well as their fly-by-night philosphies. I think you misunderstood the premise of my post. I stated that trying to search for God by using material evidence won't help you. God is a spirit and operates outside of the material world. It's kind of like proving love. You can't prove it with devices and gadgets because it has no matter. There is nothing to measure by sight, sound, or otherwise. But, if you look at matters of science long enough, all signs point to a Creator. That is my opinion. You may refute this, but i hold to this position based on what I've learned and studied and observed, not to mention what I've felt. But like I said, I can tell you about my feelings, but it will do you little to understand my position.

quote:Originally posted by NihilisticAinSophAur:

Ha, this thread proved a point. Arguing about religion is pointless. When you have a belief(or lack of) its like talking to a brick wall.

Nemesis_Juggernaut, I understood your post perfectly. The post I made was not a response to your previous post. At the beginning of your last post you stated "Religion is an endless debate that has spanned over a great amount of time." That was basically reiterating what I said. All that this thread is about is opinion. What you believe you believe because "on what [you] learned and studied and observed, not to mention what [you've] felt." I am a nihilist, why? because of the certain circumstances and happenings in my life. Your values, faith come from what you've experienced, I can't change that so trying to change your view is a waste of my (and your) time. I think you have found your higher truth. I've spent a fair bit of time looking into other religions and philosophies before trying to find a higher truth for myself. I finally came to the realization that of what I was, a nihilist Anyways, we could go back and forth with this forever and begin where we started, so let's just leave it where its at.

quote:Originally posted by NihilisticAinSophAur:

When I asked them "Why do bad things happen to good people?" [/B]

before asking this question, define what is good and what is bad, and define who defines these concepts.

quote:Originally posted by Bozlodlenni Spida:

Heh for all of you who believe god is real... I'm terrified to imagine that you pray to someone who allows his "priests" to rape children in his "house". Fuck you dipshits i hope you die.

Coincider this: If God is real, and He said (in the Bible) that Satan is real. If Satan wanted to "throw a wrench in the spokes", would he accomplish more toward his desires by tempting one person at a time, or by tempting leaders of a faith to fall publicly?

In tempting a leader to fall, wouldnt that (1) make non-believers, believe even less

(2) make believers have doubts and weaken their faith

quote:Originally posted by NihilisticAinSophAur:

How can you believe in something for which there is no proof of existence? I mean, religion was invented, and there is no physical proof of a god. Like religion is merely a way for people to find a purpose in their nothing lives. They can not accept that they are in control of their own lives, they need someone else to place the blame on, or when something can't be explained, there needs to be something to explain it. Have a nice day!

It's called belief http://www.totse.com/bbs/biggrin.gif (http://www.totse.com/bbs/biggrin.gif)

That was a very good answer, so I must concur with you. I know of alot of the 31 flavors of religion and philosophies, but I've yet to come in contact with Nihlism.

Please explain whta this is and what it's basic tenets are, what the name means, if you don't mind.

quote:Originally posted by NihilisticAinSophAur:

Nemesis_Juggernaut, I understood your post perfectly. The post I made was not a response to your previous post. At the beginning of your last post you stated "Religion is an endless debate that has spanned over a great amount of time." That was basically reiterating what I said. All that this thread is about is opinion. What you believe you believe because "on what [you] learned and studied and observed, not to mention what [you've] felt." I am a nihilist, why? because of the certain circumstances and happenings in my life. Your values, faith come from what you've experienced, I can't change that so trying to change your view is a waste of my (and your) time. I think you have found your higher truth. I've spent a fair bit of time looking into other religions and philosophies before trying to find a higher truth for myself. I finally came to the realization that of what I was, a nihilist Anyways, we could go back and forth with this forever and begin where we started, so let's just leave it where its at.

In the bluntest sense a nihilist is an Existential anarchist. "Reality is defined by the individual so fuck everything"

What Nihilism is - A purified definition of nihilism is reduction to that which is ineluctable, which is a short way of saying that nihilism is about dealing with those elements and facts that cannot be avoided, vitiated or abrogated while accepting that all else is shades of myth or fantasy. Nihilism is an understanding of what morality is. Where good and evil come from and the power of those forces. Morality defines everyone's actions, it defines the legal structure that punishes, the limitations on our thoughts and ideas, the range of response to any given situation. Think of why they have too many cattle in India and the concomitant range of disease and starvation.

Tenets - Nihilism is the refutation of God, the refutation of morality, refutation of law, refutation of justice, and the refutation of all artificial order. (Please look up the definition of *refutation*, before you make a response to this)

Nihilism - Latin root "Nihil" meaning "nothing"



I_Like_Traffic Lights to be fair, nihilists are not anarchists because anarchists are against governemnts. Since the government is not the root of the problem, only part of it, Nihilists seek to strike at the root of the problem.

Nemesis_Juggernaut, if you'd like any more info, just post. I posted what Nihilism is and it's tenents, but if you want a definition, let me know.

first of all...hi! i'm new here...

secondly...i did not read the whole thread...i can't be assed right now...

I don't know if this has been said already..

Religion is a way of keeping people in order, using emotions and morals against people to stop them from stealing, murdering etc etc... God is the authority figure, like the police chief and the priests are the police...The holy trinity is a load of crap and is in-explainable, contridicting and pointlessly mind boggling... The Bible (for example) WAS a good idea, it kept people in line, and it gave people answers...but its too out-dated now, it's been littered with narrow minded fuck-wits with NO consepts of their own and has, as a result, been misunderstood...

im not saying i agree with the bible, i think its a foolish way of the govornment to keep people in line (come on, just beat the fuckers down! you do that now, right?) but it worked.

these are my views, comment on them if needed...sorry if i re-stated anything anyone else said. and again... hi!

quote:Originally posted by NihilisticAinSophAur:

One friend said the reason is that if you didn't know hate, would you know love?

"hate" and "love" are not opposites, but the opposite of both "hate" and "love" is apathy.

see what your two friends have to say about that.

Who cares if you know your feeling love, as long as you're feeling it.

To know that you are experiencing something takes away the zest of the experience.

Read some of the storeis, I hope you'll find some answers.

God bless

http://thetruereligion.org/modules/xfsection/

Everyone says that science disprooves religion. No it doesn't! At every instant modern science accepts the falibility of its acusations on reality and any scientist will say so. Some omnipotent being could have quite easily created the big bang.

I just thought I'd share that because that's what a lot of the atheists in my RE classes argue and it annoys me.

You are absoloutly correct..there is no proof of god,there never will be..but nooo what do these other faggots say "look inside you and around you and up your ass and blah blah blah"

fuck off....

there is no way to prove the existance of god,even if you were to go into extreme depth about it and start trying to explain the existance of nothing you will not find nothing but a crowd of sceptics and non believers..as i have said in my own threads...there is a new era at hand,behold the rise of the athiests.

quote:Originally posted by Kw0nLiE:

there is no way to prove the existance of god

Exactly, so why do people on this forum ask this same question (or something similar) over and over again?

quote:

I_Like_Traffic Lights to be fair, nihilists are not anarchists because anarchists are against governemnts. Since the government is not the root of the problem, only part of it, Nihilists seek to strike at the root of the problem.

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ni·hil·ism

The belief that destruction of existing political or social institutions is necessary for future improvement.

http://dictionary.reference.com/search?q=nihilist



an·ar·chy

1. Absence of any form of political authority.

2. Political disorder and confusion.

(???????!!!!!)

Digital, dictionary.com isn't the ultimate resource on what something means. Nihilism isn't anarchy...anarchist ideals are a small party of it, but not all.

My proof of what I believe is sitting on my bed, and another one targeting my arse from the sky incase I make a wrong move. Sure feels tingly to have a dot on you (Not Hindu) that can be used as a guide for world destroying power.

Yes I'm a nutcase, but YOU have no proof, and I don't have to prove anything you, just feel like an ass and tell you crudely.

Existing is faith.

forget the notion of anything, what makes something what it is--how do people understand the relations that make their world.

See reason for what it presents, extending to god when your own existance strays from explanation.

I see alot of word people - people that think answers lie in science, or the newest contemporary heart beat--the realest person I ever will know will believe in existance, and in possibility that was realized before you were born and came to wake.

The rest is out.

The Exi-stance-- http://www.totse.com/bbs/wink.gif (http://www.totse.com/bbs/wink.gif)

quote:Originally posted by NihilisticAinSophAur:

How can you believe in something for which there is no proof of existence? I mean, religion was invented, and there is no physical proof of a god. Like religion is merely a way for people to find a purpose in their nothing lives. They can not accept that they are in control of their own lives, they need someone else to place the blame on, or when something can't be explained, there needs to be something to explain it. Have a nice day!

Can you tell me of something for which there is proof of existence?

quote:Originally posted by Optimus Prime:

Digital, dictionary.com isn't the ultimate resource on what something means. Nihilism isn't anarchy...anarchist ideals are a small party of it, but not all.

Oh, it isn't ? Then I suggest you cease to speak English.

That makes NO sense...

You only discredit what doesn't suit your purpose, or support your opinions.

I am sure the rest of America would disagree with you on your view of the dictionary.

The dictionary was created by a few people, as such there is no 100% accurate definition. They just did some half assed research and put what they found in the text format. Trusting the dictionary 100% is like taking the bible literaly.

So I smack you heavily across the face with a pound of bricks and scold you for such foolishness.

quote:Originally posted by Mojo Hojo:

The dictionary was created by a few people, as such there is no 100% accurate definition.

Maybe not, but i had a girlfriend that would say when gambling "im going to lower / upper my bet" instead of lower/raise"

or a differant time, one of our friends came up to her and teased her that she didnt say hi (she is a very nice person and she didnt say hi because she didnt see him)... i replied that it was because she was "stuck up" and she got mad at me because she thought that "stuck up" meant she was a prick. Talk about confusing the language!! (tower of babel ?! )

If we dont have generally agreed upon meanings of words, how can we communicate?

She was not stupid, just didnt have a very good vocabulary.

quote:They just did some half assed research and put what they found in the text format.

Although a dictionary cannot be 100%, it gives us a very good starting point to communication. I hardly think it was "half-assed" though.

^^^ On the half-assed bit, I mean that for the few words that they don't write down the entire truth. Example is "christianity" where they may give some basic things but they don't give the entire thing which would clarify any assumptions people have made against them. Now imagine how much they would write for a tiny religion that next to nobody knows about.

My main beef is misinformation and half-truths which are for the most part accidental. Go here www.dhmo.com (http://www.dhmo.com) for an example, this is what I call the assumption website but it is all true.

[quote from bible]

"You are saved because you have seen and believed. But blessed are those that have not seen and yet believe."

This shows that although there may be no concrete physical evidence of God, that doesn't mean that it is wrong to believe in God.

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No. That shows about the same thing as:

"The evil overlords of the plane XurGak-5 have enslaved the people of earth for decades since the intergalactic wars of 3201."

-- Generic Science Fiction Book.

That doesn't mean it's true.

quote:Originally posted by Rust:

No. That shows about the same thing as:

"The evil overlords of the plane XurGak-5 have enslaved the people of earth for decades since the intergalactic wars of 3201."

-- Generic Science Fiction Book.

That doesn't mean it's true.



What a relief!!! I was worried there for a second.

quote:Originally posted by I_Like_Traffic_Lights:



What a relief!!! I was worried there for a second.



Me too. I didn't want anyone else follow his erroneous frame of thought.

Needless to say I acted!

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science cant even explain how our lives started! so there must be a god..and yes,there are proffs in each religion..the miracles happening around us wich maybe u dont notice.

quote:Originally posted by NihilisticAinSophAur:

How can you believe in something for which there is no proof of existence? I mean, religion was invented, and there is no physical proof of a god. Like religion is merely a way for people to find a purpose in their nothing lives. They can not accept that they are in control of their own lives, they need someone else to place the blame on, or when something can't be explained, there needs to be something to explain it. Have a nice day!

Let me guess... You're somewhere between the age 10 and 14.

I've probably said this before but because something can not be explained does not mean a person must resort to a supernatural being to explain the unexplainable. Why can't people accept the concept of complete randomness.

quote:Originally posted by NihilisticAinSophAur:

How can you believe in something for which there is no proof of existence? I mean, religion was invented, and there is no physical proof of a god. Like religion is merely a way for people to find a purpose in their nothing lives. They can not accept that they are in control of their own lives, they need someone else to place the blame on, or when something can't be explained, there needs to be something to explain it. Have a nice day!

Man I dont know but its just something I cant not believe in today is so perfect I love the weather and everything man I cant help believe in God, I am sorry I am still a little high but it was perfect man everything is perfect I am so happy there has to be a god

Now i didnt wanna take the time to read through 3 pages so i simply read the first and saw that there are two sides, onesiding with the belief in no god and one arguing that there is one. To start off, there is no god or jesus, yes i said it. The man that wrote the bible i forget his name wrote about History of everything that had been documented before him, people back in that day believed in all sorts of weird shit and we have evidence of great rulers that ruled and Popes and stuff because they made sure that everything was written down. Anyways, Jesus seemed to have just popped out of nowhere and there is only a little bit of evidence that a man like this ever existed and it was only because of Arianism(the belief that jesus was not human), invented by just some random guy that we belive that Jesus was like this powerful leader. It's like today when people make bullshit websites without any facts to support there theories, anybody can make up some bullshit and thats what religion is. Religion is just another comfort for us, something that was created by people who pondered about how life came about, just like we wonder if we evolved from some small organism or if we were created by a higher power. People back then new nothing of science and so they just made something up and stupid people like in this thread belived it and spread some bullshit religion all over the world. There you have it, by the way for all you religious people, i just created my own religion, its called Bullshitiny, anybody wanna spread my religion, i'll make a bible and everything,it'll be cool.

^Thank you sanchone69.