is there any posible way to stop the spread of this faith. does anyone feel the way i do about it.

sorry to all true christians, but most christians are so because of thier parents decision and they dont have the balls to change it.

anything on the subject is welcome

You need to get lots of nuclear and biological weapon. Enough to kill every person on earth. Then you need to kill every person on earth. That should be enough to stop religion from spreading.



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quote:Originally posted by drake of the flame:

is there any posible way to stop the spread of this faith. does anyone feel the way i do about it.

sorry to all true christians, but most christians are so because of thier parents decision and they dont have the balls to change it.

anything on the subject is welcome

You're stupid.

At least explain why you hate the faith so much.

i dont like it for many reasons , il only name a few

first of all,i believe that basicly "jesus christ" was jsut a sort of old time cult leader that did magiks of sorts to imprese a following.

also i feel that most christian, or true christians are a bunch of do gooders looking to make so many laws and such its hard to live

mosty the things i dissagree with is in the catholic religion, little boy rapers and such.

I think religion should be a decision only a person can make when they're an adult. Their parents should not be able to decide for them, nor should anyone else but themselves, once they are a legal adult.

That would not only stop the spread, but, more or less, kill off almost all religions. http://www.totse.com/bbs/smile.gif (http://www.totse.com/bbs/smile.gif)

Word to that, Gustave. My opinion is that subjecting children to unsupported beliefs of any kind should be considered abuse, but I don't see that catching on any time soon.

quote:Originally posted by drake of the flame:

i dont like it for many reasons , il only name a few

first of all,i believe that basicly "jesus christ" was jsut a sort of old time cult leader that did magiks of sorts to imprese a following.

also i feel that most christian, or true christians are a bunch of do gooders looking to make so many laws and such its hard to live

mosty the things i dissagree with is in the catholic religion, little boy rapers and such.

Ok once again I'll have to call you stupid. Firstly for you're bad spelling and grammar and secondly for you poor reasons.

Jesus was a cult leader and performed majiks? Where is your proof? For a cult leader he seems to sure have done a good job since his "cult" has lasted more than 2000 years.

Lets see, modern cults, The People's Temple, cult leader Jim Jones. If you were to say this lasted as long as he lived that would be 47 years. Very pathetic.

There are more examples but I think this is enough to debunk you're "cult" comparison.

"...make so many laws....do gooders.."

No body is saying you have to follow any laws, Christianity believes in free will, if you want to do what you like why are Christianities laws stopping you?

"...little boy rapers..."

Yeah sure there are sick fucks who rape kids, I think they should all be tortured to death. But you shouldn't let one rotten apple spoil the bunch.

"No body is saying you have to follow any laws, Christianity believes in free will, if you want to do what you like why are Christianities laws stopping you?"

I think he's talking about the Christian tendancy to force religious laws into politics.

quote:Originally posted by Optimus Prime:

"No body is saying you have to follow any laws, Christianity believes in free will, if you want to do what you like why are Christianities laws stopping you?"

I think he's talking about the Christian tendancy to force religious laws into politics.

In that case, I agree. I think one of the biggest mistakes are mixing Church and State.

They both should be kept seperate.

If you hold a bigger grudge against the Catholic Church than Christianity, then so be it. The Catholic Church is anyway contradicting the teachings of the Bible by committing blasphemous sacraments and rites forbidden by God/Christ.

Not to mention the amount of deaths caused by papal reigns.

you are right, exuse me for saying so differntly, christianity in itself is not all bad, with the exception of when it is forced on unknowing children.

catholisism on the other hand, there are many a subject in which i dissagree with here.

and yes by laws i ment mixing church and state.

and bout the spelling, well, fuck off, im a bad typer so leave me be.

blow it out your ass.

I hate christians more than anything in the world. They're chauvinistic assholes who wont ever admit that THEIR RELIGION IS SHIT.

FUCK YOU CHRISTIANS.

And i also agree that most christians are because their parents are. good point there.

I still hate christians though. Anyone wanna try to fight my opinion? then make sure you aint christian otherwise your opinion is shit http://www.totse.com/bbs/mad.gif (http://www.totse.com/bbs/mad.gif)

quote:Originally posted by Dark_Anarchy:

I hate christians more than anything in the world. They're chauvinistic assholes who wont ever admit that THEIR RELIGION IS SHIT.

FUCK YOU CHRISTIANS.

And i also agree that most christians are because their parents are. good point there.

I still hate christians though. Anyone wanna try to fight my opinion? then make sure you aint christian otherwise your opinion is shit http://www.totse.com/bbs/mad.gif (http://www.totse.com/bbs/mad.gif)

Shut up, you make atheists look bad. Just because someone believes differently than you doesn't make their opinion shit.

Since when were kids just mindless copies of their parents? Hell, most kids disagree with their parents every chance they get. I was raised Christian, yet I choose not to believe in it. Free will!

quote:Originally posted by Gustave:

I think religion should be a decision only a person can make when they're an adult. Their parents should not be able to decide for them, nor should anyone else but themselves, once they are a legal adult.

That would not only stop the spread, but, more or less, kill off almost all religions. http://www.totse.com/bbs/smile.gif (http://www.totse.com/bbs/smile.gif)

Word to your mother (I'm pretty ure that's a compliment), that's what I've been saying forever. You've got a way of saying what's on people's minds; ever done any persuasive writing?

i totaly agree wit dark anarchy,

and sorry to say that if u program somthing into a childs head when they are very young, such as religion, its hard to fight when they are older.

I hate christians more than anything in the world. They're chauvinistic assholes who wont ever admit that THEIR RELIGION IS SHIT.

FUCK YOU CHRISTIANS.

And i also agree that most christians are because their parents are. good point there.

I still hate christians though. Anyone wanna try to fight my opinion? then make sure you aint christian otherwise your opinion is shit http://www.totse.com/bbs/mad.gif (http://www.totse.com/bbs/mad.gif)

It's easy to see how much better atheists are than Christians, what with your concise, science-based arguments and your flawless objectivism.

quote:Originally posted by deptstoremook:

Word to your mother (I'm pretty ure that's a compliment), that's what I've been saying forever. You've got a way of saying what's on people's minds; ever done any persuasive writing?

Yeah, if we can count all of my time on totse... http://www.totse.com/bbs/wink.gif (http://www.totse.com/bbs/wink.gif)

A while ago I was having an arguement with a christian guy my age right, and no matter what I said I just could not penetrate his bullshit belief.

Take this for example, a point i find very interesting:

He said to me: "If you don't believe in god or jesus you'll go to hell"

Believe me, it took a lot of will-power to not smash his face in.

but referring to the opinion above, don't christians claim to 'love' god and jesus?

These christians are afraid of going to hell so how can they love god or jesus if they're actually afraid of them?

They're afraid of going to hell.

I know i could never love someone i feared.

Another point i'd like to say is that christians never actually admit that maybe they could be wrong, there could be no god!

Christians are sad, sad muthafukkas who took a believe too seriously and now wish to infect the world with irrelevant bullshit.

amen to that right there, thats what im talking about, why the hell arnt there more ppl like u and me in this world.

drake to dark anarchy

Dark Anarchy:

You argue like a seventh grader.

Christianity holds that it is separation from God that Christians should fear, because that separation leaves the only possible outcome to be damnation. Since God's mercy and grace in affording us the opportunity to ascend from the prison of flesh in which we are held is an act of love, it is God to whom we show love, and it is separation from God which we should fear. God is not the catalyst of damnation, but the salvation from it.

And don't you think admitting that a conclusion is possibly wrong takes out the validity of believing in it in the first place? How much faith can a person have in, for example, a president whose basic political stance is, "I believe in democracy, but it's entirely possible that it's not the right way to go at all"? Who would follow a leader who concocts a plan and says to his comrades, "There's a distinct and prevalent possibility that this plan will set us all on unholy fire"?

Why does Christianity offend you so much, I wonder?

When i talk to a christian who has a deep faith for their lord or god or whatever they want to call it. I am usually offended emotionally in how some one of the same species as i, can be so ignorant towards the rest of the universe.

But then i can also conclude that on a animal level they are conducting the same route as me. They are doing wht they think enables them to survive in our world. So they can reproduce and continue our species.

Just like the ant knows it has to collect food and shelter. People know that they have to discover ways of living to enable them to survive.

Why we have to reproduce? Your guess is as good as mine.

Drake of the flame, dude, you know exactly what i mean, I'm glad I'm not alone in this fight against religious bullshit. When It comes to religion it's all down to the fact that we dont know the truth, we only have our beliefs? Why do I hate christians so?

Here's the reason.

A while ago I was innocently walking down the street tripping up old people and tossing grenades down drains when suddenly these pair of right assholes walk up to me and my dad and say: "Have you been saved?" and other bullshit like that.

THIS IS WHAT ANNOYS ME

It's not enough for them to just believe and leave it at that! they have to prance around the world trying to convert everyone!

We're quite fucking happy thank you!

See? they rub it in our faces?

"OUR RELIGION IS RIGHT BLAA BLAA BLAA"

Yeah well i dont give a fuck.

And thank you drake of the flame for being one of the few to realise what a mess of this world christians are making, you are a role model to everyone http://www.totse.com/bbs/smile.gif (http://www.totse.com/bbs/smile.gif)

I'm sorry you two, but even if atheists were in control of the word, it'd be just as fucked up. Sure, no more laws to regulate morality, but we'd have just as many wars. Religion is often an excuse for war, but not the actual reason. The reasons for corruption, war, greed, poverty...they would all still exist, just if atheists ruled they wouldn't be doing it under the guise of God's will. Humans are heartless animals who like to bullshit themselves into thinking they have a duty to make themselves great, this hunger for greatness, for power, is what fucks over the world...not religion.

Seriously, look at the bullshit you're spewing; atheists and theists are equally moral and immoral, we fuck up equally because of this. Look at the USSR, they were an atheist nation and were completely fucked up; it wasn't theism vs. atheism that screwed their shit up, it was human nature on its search for power.

Our instincts are the reason we're so fucked up, and we can't avoid them entirely.

yep you hit the nail on the head there, no arguement. but for me, when it really comes down to it, I think that heaven and hell, one god etc.. it's just too simple.

The main thing I dislike about christianity is what i said before, they won't shut up, they won't stop trying to convert more. But then your point comes into this, prime.

The more people they convert the more power they have, in a sense. It is about power.

I believe christians have a stupid, basically unbelievable religion that doesn't make much sense and it's sickening that they take it so seriously.

I still hate christians more than anything, I really, really hate them. If I was to commit suicide I would strap C-4 to myself and march into the nearest church and kill as many of the bastards as I could, uhh, which is actually kind of what muslims are doing.. anyway, yeah I hate chrisians, I always will, I want them dead, But I can't argue with such a fine point as your last one prime.

nicely said

Well...

Not much left to say...

I think Joseph stalin said it best...

He called religion the "Opiate of the people"

It makes things better than they actually are. It also gives people good morale(makes them act better than they would without it.)

In conclusion religion is useful, but not entirely nessicary.

YOu can't stop the spreadng of the truth lol there's no way http://www.totse.com/bbs/smile.gif (http://www.totse.com/bbs/smile.gif)True christian's should not psuh their faith, people who really push can't be holding true to Christ.

like someone said earlier, don't let one bad apple spoil the rest, one false person gives all of us a bad image, and people stick to it.... in 16 years i have not met one gay/bad/rapist 'christian' they are the really rare ones who give every other Christian a bad image.....

Just remember when your in trouble next, when someones witnessing, when something really bad happens and everythings like its against you, just remember that God is right there waiting for you, believe it or not.

Your question is a good one. I think religion is a disease that takes over people's mind. Unfortunately, early exposure generally is hard to cure. Gustave is right, children should be protected from this kind of thing.

Sure their comments may seem unintelligent, and I'm sure you'll label mine so as well, but the fact remains that christians are ignorant mofos and 99% of them only hold to their beliefs because they were lied to during their childhood by all their role models. The force feeding of false and unprovable beliefs to children presented as fact is the main reason these silly beliefs continue to exist. Also, it's very obnoxious that christian beliefs are so prevalant within government, and are a major hinderance to science and free thought.

hmmm.....yep this is what i like, ppl with diff. views argueing, even some of u are christians...

but dark anarchy, why blow yourself up like that, blow the church up, but save yourself for another day, the world needs ppl like u and me to stop the spread of christianity, and of course to blow up churches!

quote:Originally posted by [scuffmark]:



I think Joseph stalin said it best...

He called religion the "Opiate of the people"



It was Karl Marx and he said "Religion is the opiate of the masses". But probly in German.

lol. true. Live and fight!

Oh yeah i got another thing to say. This matter about exposing children to a religion at an early age is a serious one indeed. Childhood is a very vulnerable stage of a person's life, teach them something, and later on down the track it'll be very difficult for them to break free of what they were brought up to believe.

People should have the choice. Also I've heard of baptising babies! this is not only unfair IT ANGERS ME TERRIBLY!

This puts pressure on the child to remain christian when he/she is older! because they know that they're baptised, because this is their fate!

This is honestly sickening behaviour, Again people should wait until the person can make their own decisions! I mean, it's a poor helpless baby for crying out loud! How's it going to say: "No! fuck off! Don't let that water of sinned damnation touch me you bastards!" HUH?

That's right. It won't be able to. So are these people really true christians? Do they have free will or have they been effected by christians pressure?!

I rest my case, die christians I hate you.

quote:Originally posted by Dark_Anarchy:

I hate christians more than anything in the world. They're chauvinistic assholes who wont ever admit that THEIR RELIGION IS SHIT.

What are you so mad about, if you're an athiest ?

Do you hate bigots, and racists, too ?

I would also like to know what EXACTLY about Christianity makes you think of us as "chauvinistic" ? I am a female, and have never gotten that feeling...unless you are speaking more of "militant devotion" ? (which I would still disagree with)

I choose to study God through the Bible, and not by way of a religion...which particular religion relating to Christianity are you referring to ? Catholicism ? Because I would support you there !

quote:Originally posted by Tyrant:

Dark Anarchy:

You argue like a seventh grader.

Christianity holds that it is separation from God that Christians should fear, because that separation leaves the only possible outcome to be damnation. Since God's mercy and grace in affording us the opportunity to ascend from the prison of flesh in which we are held is an act of love, it is God to whom we show love, and it is separation from God which we should fear. God is not the catalyst of damnation, but the salvation from it.

And don't you think admitting that a conclusion is possibly wrong takes out the validity of believing in it in the first place? How much faith can a person have in, for example, a president whose basic political stance is, "I believe in democracy, but it's entirely possible that it's not the right way to go at all"? Who would follow a leader who concocts a plan and says to his comrades, "There's a distinct and prevalent possibility that this plan will set us all on unholy fire"?

Why does Christianity offend you so much, I wonder?

AMEN !!!!!!!!!!!!!

The term "christianity" is labelled inappropriately to all different types of religion...Catholicism, Latter Day Saint-ism, Mormonism, Baptism, Presbyterian-ism...so, which one of these do you hate, specifically ?

I am a non-denominational Christian. Do you know what that means ? It means I don't have a religion. I believe in God, and that Christ came to the earth to die for our sins, and that the Bible, in it's entirety, is TRUE.

I study the Hebrew language, their old customs, and the geography of the land during the 1500 years the Bible was written.

I take a very logical, educated approach to my learnings, and don't find myself in any particular "religion". But, for all intensive purposes, I MUST consider myself a Christian, because the definition of this title is "Christ-like". Not that I am so HOLY, but that I strive to live my life as he did...in the love of others.

And the reason that "true" Christians (and how would you know which is which ? True or not, hard to identify) seek to spread the word of God is not to "get more for the team"...rather, it is the command that Jesus gave his disciples before he died and rose again...and if that's what he tells us to do, then so be it.

Do you think it would not be easier for me to stand by and watch everyone else perish ? My human nature tells me to mind my own business. It encourages me to not give a crap about anyone else...self-preservation, and all that.

But I have chosen the narrow path, and with that comes certain responsibilities that are less than pleasurable, and one of those responsibilities is spreading the word of God, so that NONE shall perish, but have everlasting life.

If I was a person to hate, would that be a good reason for that sentiment ? That I desire to see you NOT burn ?

Well, that's the world for you. People spitting in your face because you are trying to help them...not to brainwash them.

As Tyrant so eloquently said, I do what I do because I BELIEVE in it, just as you believe in NOTHING. How does that make me a person to hate ?

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quote:Originally posted by Concept Lost:

The force feeding of false and unprovable beliefs to children presented as fact is the main reason these silly beliefs continue to exist.

Hmmm...the teaching of evolution in schools does not follow this same pretense ?

Piss off

I'm not going to 'burn'! Nothing says or can prove that hell & heaven exists!

Christians are weak-winded idiots who have to believe in a 'higher-being' because they are too dam fucking stupid to ponder that maybe they're completely wrong!! http://www.totse.com/bbs/mad.gif (http://www.totse.com/bbs/mad.gif)

I have a mate who is also a non-denominational christian and he's cool ya know, he doesn't argue when you say christianity is bullshit, because he believes in 'God' and that's all. WHY CANT YOU ALL STOP BEING SO STUCK UP YO CUNTS.

I'm sorry, I have tried to put my point across nicely, I have tried to debate peacefully but when it really comes down to it I REALLY HATE YOU CHRISTIANS FUCK YOU, STOP POLLUTING TODAYS MINDS WITH BULLSHIT YOU FUCKERS, DIE, I WISH YOU WERE ALL DEAD! I CANT STAND ANY OF YOU AND YOUR BULLSHIT RELIGION, THERES NO PROOF THAT GOD EXISTS SO SHUT THE FUCK UP YOU INSOLENT ASSHOLES. IVE HAD ENOUGH. FUCK YOU FUCK YOU http://www.totse.com/bbs/mad.gif (http://www.totse.com/bbs/mad.gif)

sweet, I'm done. Argue all you like you idiots I don't givva shit. christians, don't argue with me because you're fuckers, iggnorant fuckers, i don't care what you say so shut the fuck up, go die on a cross bitch worshippers

fuck you all. i hate christians

quote:Originally posted by Digital_Savior:

Hmmm...the teaching of evolution in schools does not follow this same pretense ?

Shut up asshole, evolution makes sense unlike christian horse-shit http://www.totse.com/bbs/mad.gif (http://www.totse.com/bbs/mad.gif)

*rolls eyes* ohh yeah, isn't it just so believable? people were just planted on earth just like that.. isn't that just SOO scientific.

come on christians, please..

You KNOW it's all bullshit.. why keep trying to fool yourself? you KNOW its shit and there's no god and you're dum fucks

get ova it ya no.....jeeeez...

You people might actually try to learn about the religion before you critisize it.

Most likely, when you say "Christians," you mean "Catholics," simply because it is the prominant Christian demoniation. But I am not Catholic, and I disagree with Catholicism on many points. I am Episcopalian. From now on when I speak of Christianity in this post, I will mean it as what all of the demoniations have in common.

Baptism is only like a push towards Christianity. After it, you still have the choice to change. Confirmation is knowingly, as a competent human-being, that you accept Christianity. But yet you still have the choice to denounce that faith and choose again. After that, they still will accept you back (unless you did something "gravely evil").

Most of you people are saying that you hate it when Christians try to force their faith upon you. Well, I have two answers to that. The first one is written in the Bible. It says that we must try to spread out faith. But then it goes again saying that when we pray, we are to do it in secret. But, it does not say how we are to spread our faith. Some people choose to do it in radical ways (ie. coming up to random people, or door-to-door), and some people do it in subtle ways (ie. random acts of kindess, or showing the virtues described in the bible). Many Christians choose the latter, in which they are more openly accepted. But yet some still choose to do it very actively, but this should not ruin the image of the rest of us.

My second point to that is you say that you hate different theists try to force their religion upon you, but then you turn around saying that you "hate all Christian because of that, and they all should denouce their faith, for there is no proof that God exists." Even if you have some quarter-decent morals to live by you would see that saying that is hypocritical. You don't like faith forced upon you, but you force your "un-faith" upon us. You don't like it when we come up and say "Are you saved?", but yet, you turn and say "Denouce your faith!" That is a slip in thinking.

Just because we believe in a deity does not mean that we cannot act on our own. I'll will use a metophor type thing that I read:

If God is all-knowing, all-power, omnipotent, and Holy, loving live above all, why does he let bad things happen to good people? God is like a parent teaching their child how to ride a bike. They give them the basics, and is there to help them get going, and to help them learn. But then, why doesn't the parent follow the child everywhere, making sure nothing happens to it at all? That would be over-pretective, and would limit the child. Human kind is not under the pure jurisdiction of God, but also of itelf.

My last point for this post will be bravery in un/belief. It takes bravery to have faith. But then it can be modified to say that it takes bravery to not believe in anything. I respect your (un)beliefs, but then in order to recieve respect, you must give respect. I have observed and learned about many religions, including Wiccan, Satanism, Voodoo, Neo-Paganism, Norse, and Celtic. I am also not ignorant of Christian and Catholic history. I know of the Crusades, the Burning times, and all other times that we have caused harm to others. And I am not proud of it. But some mistakes people make in the past is not going to make me believe as a Christian any less.

I now give you with a Christian mental picture: Imagine God as a person leading a groups of people on a trail. Some people choose to look at nothing but the leader or the leaders feet, seeing nothing around them but where they're supposed to go (these are the closed-minded). Some people occasionally look up and look around them, but quickly go back to watching the leader (these are people that are between closed- and open-minded). Some people look around, enjoying the scenery, taking in as much as possible, but still following the leader (these are the open-minded people, but they still only watch). Some people, while watching the scenery, see another trail, and wants to see what it is like, and then decided if either to join back up with the group, stay on that trail, or go to yet another trail (these are the open-minded people that understand, and try to learn about other religions). There are some people that have stopped, and jumped onto another trail, without looking back (these are people that Christianity was forced upon strongly). And then there are those that thought that the trail was too hard, and decided to stay at base camp (these are those without beliefs).

So as you see, due to our human nature, there will always be the lookers, the wanderers, the ones that stay behind.

Being Christian does not mean going around, sprinkling Holy Water on people, forceing them to convert, it's about following the person that leading the group, shouting or just encouraging others to follow, and if they choose not to, the so be it. They have free will, and may choose whatever they like.

Thus ends my talking.

[Note: sorry if you find any typos or mispellings]

Edit: Feel free to ask questions, pick apart, or disagree with this.

[This message has been edited by Armageddon (edited 07-14-2004).]

quote:Originally posted by Dark_Anarchy:

Piss off

I'm not going to 'burn'! Nothing says or can prove that hell & heaven exists!

Christians are weak-winded idiots who have to believe in a 'higher-being' because they are too dam fucking stupid to ponder that maybe they're completely wrong!! http://www.totse.com/bbs/mad.gif (http://www.totse.com/bbs/mad.gif)

I have a mate who is also a non-denominational christian and he's cool ya know, he doesn't argue when you say christianity is bullshit, because he believes in 'God' and that's all. WHY CANT YOU ALL STOP BEING SO STUCK UP YO CUNTS.

I'm sorry, I have tried to put my point across nicely, I have tried to debate peacefully but when it really comes down to it I REALLY HATE YOU CHRISTIANS FUCK YOU, STOP POLLUTING TODAYS MINDS WITH BULLSHIT YOU FUCKERS, DIE, I WISH YOU WERE ALL DEAD! I CANT STAND ANY OF YOU AND YOUR BULLSHIT RELIGION, THERES NO PROOF THAT GOD EXISTS SO SHUT THE FUCK UP YOU INSOLENT ASSHOLES. IVE HAD ENOUGH. FUCK YOU FUCK YOU http://www.totse.com/bbs/mad.gif (http://www.totse.com/bbs/mad.gif)

sweet, I'm done. Argue all you like you idiots I don't givva shit. christians, don't argue with me because you're fuckers, iggnorant fuckers, i don't care what you say so shut the fuck up, go die on a cross bitch worshippers

fuck you all. i hate christians

I dunno if you'll bother coming back to read this, anyway.

Before you write us all off you might like to stop and think. Some of us who claim to follow Christ often have very good reasons for doing so- that aren't entirely a simple cultural or social belief.

Essentially the only reason I am still a christian is because I cannot find, and have not seen, an adequate explanation for the resurrection, outside of christianity. My faith, and the faith of many other christians is not from small mindedness, fear or socialisation.

I hope you find whatever it is your looking for. Peace.

Where are the mods? I thought intolerance was not an option in this forum...

Dark_Anarchy, your argument is already bunk because you're blinded by hate, but I'll humor you...

quote:Originally posted by Dark_Anarchy:

Nothing says or can prove that hell & heaven exists!

Christians are weak-winded idiots who have to believe in a 'higher-being' because they are too dam fucking stupid to ponder that maybe they're completely wrong!! http://www.totse.com/bbs/mad.gif (http://www.totse.com/bbs/mad.gif)

How eloquently put. I'm afraid you're mistaken here, as the same can be said for you. A belief is based upon just that: believing. I believe in God. I believe that I am able to ascend to heaven by the grace of God and the martyrdom of Jesus. You believe what you will. True, there is no physical evidence that proves the existance of God; however, it's also true that there is no evidence against it. Therefore I cannot prove to you that Christianity is the right religion. You cannot prove that it is wrong. Go back to English class, 7th grader.

quote:Originally posted by woodlander:

Gustave is right, children should be protected from this kind of thing.

Gustave was joking. There is no more harm in exposing children to Christianity than there is in exposing them to Atheism. Christians are allowed to have a mind. http://www.totse.com/bbs/smile.gif (http://www.totse.com/bbs/smile.gif) Studying other religions is not discouraged, as is the case with Islam. Personally I didn't fully accept Christianity until I was able to lay out all the facts and decide for myself (about a year ago). I was encouraged, but never "forced." You must be referring to Catholics.

Totse got all mad when I tried to put this all in one post, so I had to split it up.

quote:Originally posted by Dark_Anarchy:

People should have the choice. Also I've heard of baptising babies! this is not only unfair IT ANGERS ME TERRIBLY!



I was never baptized. It's not a requirement. Again, you are thinking of Catholics.

quote:Originally posted by Dark_Anarchy:

*rolls eyes* ohh yeah, isn't it just so believable? people were just planted on earth just like that.. isn't that just SOO scientific.



Who said anything about science? http://www.totse.com/bbs/smile.gif (http://www.totse.com/bbs/smile.gif) Read my above post about believing.

quote:come on christians, please..

You KNOW it's all bullshit.. why keep trying to fool yourself? you KNOW its shit and there's no god and you're dum fucks

get ova it ya no.....jeeeez...

How mature. As Tyrant said, you argue like a seventh grader.

quote:Originally posted by Dark_Anarchy:

Shut up asshole, evolution makes sense unlike christian horse-shit http://www.totse.com/bbs/mad.gif (http://www.totse.com/bbs/mad.gif)

Actually, no. I'd you'd bother to research anything before you attempted to debate upon it, you'd find that there is no solid evidence that supports the evolutionary theory. Key word here: theory. Most people miss that; a theory is something that has not or is not capable of being proven, it is only assumed to be true.

You, and the world in general, seem to stereotype all Christians as being like Catholics. This could not be further from the truth. Catholicism is a heretic cult full of blasphemous rites, ceremonies, and pagan influences.

I hereby conclude that you have, in fact, absolutely no knowledge of Christianity other than what your Catholic father assraped into you. But, I must say, that no one is beyond redemption, not even you, Dark_Anarchy. Its not too late! You can be saved! http://www.totse.com/bbs/smile.gif (http://www.totse.com/bbs/smile.gif) WWJD, dude.

God bless.

quote:Originally posted by Dark_Anarchy:

Shut up asshole, evolution makes sense unlike christian horse-shit http://www.totse.com/bbs/mad.gif (http://www.totse.com/bbs/mad.gif)

So, because it makes sense to YOU, it should be shoved down children's throats ?

By your line of thinking, everyone should send their children to schools that teach only what THEY believe, and not a healthy mix of everything, so that THEY can make their own educated decisions.

Hypocrite.

Christianity is not true to you, because there is no proof that you recognize, or understand. That does not make us ignorant, rather it makes you uninformed. I doubt you could tell me much about the theology of Christ.

quote:Originally posted by Dark_Anarchy:

Piss off

I'm not going to 'burn'! Nothing says or can prove that hell & heaven exists!

Christians are weak-winded idiots who have to believe in a 'higher-being' because they are too dam fucking stupid to ponder that maybe they're completely wrong!! http://www.totse.com/bbs/mad.gif (http://www.totse.com/bbs/mad.gif)

I have a mate who is also a non-denominational christian and he's cool ya know, he doesn't argue when you say christianity is bullshit, because he believes in 'God' and that's all. WHY CANT YOU ALL STOP BEING SO STUCK UP YO CUNTS.

I'm sorry, I have tried to put my point across nicely, I have tried to debate peacefully but when it really comes down to it I REALLY HATE YOU CHRISTIANS FUCK YOU, STOP POLLUTING TODAYS MINDS WITH BULLSHIT YOU FUCKERS, DIE, I WISH YOU WERE ALL DEAD! I CANT STAND ANY OF YOU AND YOUR BULLSHIT RELIGION, THERES NO PROOF THAT GOD EXISTS SO SHUT THE FUCK UP YOU INSOLENT ASSHOLES. IVE HAD ENOUGH. FUCK YOU FUCK YOU http://www.totse.com/bbs/mad.gif (http://www.totse.com/bbs/mad.gif)

sweet, I'm done. Argue all you like you idiots I don't givva shit. christians, don't argue with me because you're fuckers, iggnorant fuckers, i don't care what you say so shut the fuck up, go die on a cross bitch worshippers

fuck you all. i hate christians

Quite the temper tantrum. You ARE a seventh grader, aren't you?

Tyrant, dude, provocations will get you nowhere, shut up and act your age.

As for the other comments on the '7th grader' thing, I would like to say that yes, I am blinded by my hatred for you bastards, therefor I cannot argue efficiently while fighting off your..shall I say..harsh beliefs?

You see, we can't argue on the topic or God or evolution and expect to come to a conclusion because none of us are sure anyway, as said earlier: "We believe".

Please do believe for it makes us more open-minded, intelligent individuals, but do not play the convertion game with other people because people can get defensive and generally like to stick to their beliefs.

Believe and live peacefully. Christianity has many 'rules' to live by that make people more respectable, kind people which is good and I have no objection to that. So please, let people believe what they want?

...And to the others who have a few problems with me & my beliefs just understand that provoking me, in fact actually makes you the childish ones.

I don't wish to fight, don't indulge your protagonist within. I simply came here to debate nicely, As I'm sure you can see, this forum topic is named: "Down With Christianity", so naturally I come into the forum thinking negative feelings for christianity. Cut me some slack and think about what you are saying.

Peace y'all.

I am blinded by my hatred for you bastards, therefor I cannot argue efficiently while fighting off your..shall I say..harsh beliefs?

quote:WHY CANT YOU ALL STOP BEING SO STUCK UP YO CUNTS.

I REALLY HATE YOU CHRISTIANS FUCK YOU, STOP POLLUTING TODAYS MINDS WITH BULLSHIT YOU FUCKERS, DIE, I WISH YOU WERE ALL DEAD! I CANT STAND ANY OF YOU AND YOUR BULLSHIT RELIGION, THERES NO PROOF THAT GOD EXISTS SO SHUT THE FUCK UP YOU INSOLENT ASSHOLES. IVE HAD ENOUGH. FUCK YOU FUCK YOU

christians, don't argue with me because you're fuckers, iggnorant fuckers, i don't care what you say so shut the fuck up, go die on a cross bitch worshippers

fuck you all. i hate Christians



Christians are harsh ?

quote:Originally posted by drake of the flame:

amen to that right there, thats what im talking about, why the hell arnt there more ppl like u and me in this world.

drake to dark anarchy

im one of those people. Fuck you jimbo and christian belief, 666 forever mwahahah

If christianity exists. Where is god?? WHERE MOTHERFUCKER??!!! like the bible story sodawm and gora (or whatever) when everything is bad and shit then god made a flood or whatever. It would have made a flood a long time ago.

Cognizant thought would be easier to reply to, but I shall try anyway.

What sort of God manifestation are you looking for in order to prove sufficiently that He exists ?

Has it ever occured to you that perhaps the reason you have not "seen" Him, "felt" Him, or "heard" Him is because you didn't want to ?

Jesus says in Revelation 3:20, "Behold, I stand at the door, and knock: if any man hear my voice, and open the door, I will come in to him, and will sup with him, and he with me."

This means he waits for YOU to let him in...he cannot make you, nor would he want to. What love can be appreciated if it is forced ?

Dark_Anarchy

Piss off

I'm not going to 'burn'! Nothing says or can prove that hell & heaven exists!

Christians are weak-winded idiots who have to believe in a 'higher-being' because they are too dam fucking stupid to ponder that maybe they're completely wrong!! http://www.totse.com/bbs/mad.gif (http://www.totse.com/bbs/mad.gif)

I have a mate who is also a non-denominational christian and he's cool ya know, he doesn't argue when you say christianity is bullshit, because he believes in 'God' and that's all. WHY CANT YOU ALL STOP BEING SO STUCK UP YO CUNTS.

I'm sorry, I have tried to put my point across nicely, I have tried to debate peacefully but when it really comes down to it I REALLY HATE YOU CHRISTIANS FUCK YOU, STOP POLLUTING TODAYS MINDS WITH BULLSHIT YOU FUCKERS, DIE, I WISH YOU WERE ALL DEAD! I CANT STAND ANY OF YOU AND YOUR BULLSHIT RELIGION, THERES NO PROOF THAT GOD EXISTS SO SHUT THE FUCK UP YOU INSOLENT ASSHOLES. IVE HAD ENOUGH. FUCK YOU FUCK YOU http://www.totse.com/bbs/mad.gif (http://www.totse.com/bbs/mad.gif)

sweet, I'm done. Argue all you like you idiots I don't givva shit. christians, don't argue with me because you're fuckers, iggnorant fuckers, i don't care what you say so shut the fuck up, go die on a cross bitch worshippers

fuck you all. i hate christians

This is what you call a nice debate?

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If christianity exists. Where is god?? WHERE MOTHERFUCKER??!!! like the bible story sodawm and gora (or whatever) when everything is bad and shit then god made a flood or whatever. It would have made a flood a long time ago.

Get your mythology straight, dude:

1. The cities were called Sodom and Gomorrah.

2. They were destroyed by fire and sulphur, not a flood.

3. A flood WAS made a long time ago... Noah built an ark to survive it. Remember?

4. As Digital_Savior already stated, your main problem is looking on the outside for a god that dwells within as well as beyond you. Your secondary problem is thinking that you can feel him, touch him, taste him, see him, or hear him with your five limited senses, when God is, by all Traditional law, an experience, not an object.

YES!

More atheists! cheers Failure we need people like you in here, CHRISTIANS THINK THEY CAN TAKE OVER THIS FORUM TOPIC TOO? HELL NAH.

sweet, keep hating, 666.

You don't know how to read, do you ?

quote:Originally posted by Dark_Anarchy:

sweet, keep hating, 666.

666?? Do you even know what that means? I find it interesting that you're quoting something associated to Christian beliefs. The number 666 is the mark of the Beast according to the Book of Revelations. Just FYI. http://www.totse.com/bbs/smile.gif (http://www.totse.com/bbs/smile.gif)

EDIT: So what are you now, a Satanist? http://www.totse.com/bbs/wink.gif (http://www.totse.com/bbs/wink.gif)

[This message has been edited by Brother Maynard (edited 07-16-2004).]

Mark of the beast is growing in popularity...once only in animals, and now:



- http://www.chicagotribune.com/technology/chi-0407160200jul16,1,4810342.story?coll=chi-technology-hed

- http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A50239-2004Jul14.html



[This message has been edited by Digital_Savior (edited 07-17-2004).]

wasn't there some theory a little bit ago about some new credit card banking system with the logo being "bbb" being the mark of the beast.

because of the symbolic number placed on your "head" and all coupled with the coincidence that the logo was similar to 666.

quote:Originally posted by Digital_Savior:

Mark of the beast is growing in popularity...once only in animals, and now:



- http://www.chicagotribune.com/technology/chi-0407160200jul16,1,4810342.sto ry?coll=chi-technology-hed (http://www.chicagotribune.com/technology/chi-0407160200jul16,1,4810342.story?coll=chi-technology-hed)

- http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A50239-2004Jul14.html



[This message has been edited by Digital_Savior (edited 07-17-2004).]

No, what he is saying is that it's from the Christian religion. As in, you're being a hypocrite for merely using it. http://www.totse.com/bbs/smile.gif (http://www.totse.com/bbs/smile.gif)

Yes, I know.

Was getting off topic, since we were talking about the Mark of the Beast and all...

Am totally aware of what he was trying to say. Thanks, though.

quote:Originally posted by I_Like_Traffic_Lights:

wasn't there some theory a little bit ago about some new credit card banking system with the logo being "bbb" being the mark of the beast.

because of the symbolic number placed on your "head" and all coupled with the coincidence that the logo was similar to 666.

Never heard of that...can you pull up some references I can read ? I am sure it was an urban legend, but I'd like to read about it.

No I do not have any references, sorry. I just remember discussing with some people about the aspects of needing the number on your "forehead" to "exist" in this society and the whole concept of money. Root of all evil jazz, putting faith into it's worth instead of faith into life. Wait, or was that about SSN# theory.

Whatever, all these "end of times" theories are just urban legends until the trumpets sound. No?

yo, havent written in a while, due to being very busy lately.

anyway, i am dissappointed, yet not supprised to see my forum thread overrun with christians. it saddens me to listen to how most christians dont want to shove their thoughts down my throught, yet when i post and anti-christian topic, they flood in here. hmmmm, o well i guess.

yeh, sorry dark anarchy but 666 is satanistic. and u claim to be a athiest. but not to worry.

also, the christian side of this argument seems to think everyone against them is an athiest; but i am glad to see we have a few different views. i am not an athiest either, if anyone cares for my view, i follow the Nordic ways (paganism for u dumbasses). but keep up the fight, im enjoying the anger.

drake

I_Like_Traffic_Lights - From a Christian perspective, the mark of the beast is very real. The links I gave are references of what we are beginning to believe IS that very mark.

These microchips are being used for "good"...such as security, or for victims of Alzheimer's, or in animals to retrieve them more effectively if they get lost.

These are all very practical, advantagous functions of this microchip, however, they can store as much information about you as need be (with, or without your knowledge). And if the Revelation prophecies are true, then this would be the most probable way to fulfill the prophecy of the mark of the beast.

Without this "mark", you won't be able to buy food, or hook up utilities in your home. Without this "mark", your children won't be able to go to school...and the Bible is specific when it says that in the days when this "mark" is required, those that refuse to get it will be executed.

It sounds so far-fetched now, but so do a lot of things that are now commonplace. The things we can accomplish in space didn't seem achievable in 1920. The things they put on television now are seen as harmless, though it would have made a 1960's porn star blush.

I believe it will happen, and that the "mark" is this microchip.

Out of a desire to do good, will come evil. In this way, no one will see it coming.

Lucifer is, as always, a clever little 'devil'.

it aint stoppin me from pullin the trigger of mi 12-ga. although the prophecys in revalations are coming true (damn its too early i still want to have fun in life) look at bush hes definatly evil but hes not the one runnin the show. then theres a "terrorist attack" november 1st and the ellections are canceled. martial law is established and the arab countrys start to attack isreal. then bush says in the name of national security every1 has to get a verichip implanted. it could happen just like that.

I do believe it's that very microchip I was refering to. This "bbb" credit card was the first card to implement it (credit card wise).

"BBB" as in Better Business Bureau ?

I hate people like you. I'm an Aethist, but one of the reasons I left the Church was because too many people imposing their beliefs on others. It's so annoying to see you spreading your stupidity elsewhere. I don't hate anybody solely because of their faith, I hate people who condemn me because of mine.

I know many Catholic people, in fact, most of my friends are Catholic. They're very nice people and would never rape anybody. Stupid fuck.

Better Business Bureau actually does ring a bell. These are conversations I had a WHILE ago, but a lot of the things you are saying ring similar to my point of view. I try not to get too swept away in it (as I think I mentioned in my apocalyptic prophecy thread that went no where) but I'm actually on your side. I don't even like the fact that I was given a Social Security Number that I simply MUST have in order to have a job, get a driver's liscense, vote, hell practically exist. I'm not even sure I could be indicted without a SSN. But a chip? Fuck that. I hate this whole you have to be on the grid to be a real person thing.

I hypocritically say on a personal computer, in a comfy chair, with a cellphone in my pocket. Oh well, that's my opinion I guess I'm just lazy.

I'm not a christian, per se, but I do have a strong christian back ground. Mom was classic church mom. Bible study tuesday, fund raising spaghetti dinner wednesday, vestry meeting thursday, bible study friday, church picnic saturday, church/sunday school/extra bible study/etc. sunday. I have since fallen out of the loop after (but not because I'm not a bitter person) I was blacksheeped from the church we went to after moving to New Jersey. I had my own "revelations", I've debated and discussed with an open mind, I've read through various religions/philosphies. I suppose if I had to label myself I would be a Christian Existentialist.

You're beliefs, however, intrigue me. If you'd like further discussion of this might be more approriate in my Apocalyptic Prophecy thread (shameless plug.)

"Down with christianity" indeed. While it is embarrassing to choose the side which is clearly crowded with teenagers who are generally angry without any real knowledge, that instinctive anger is directed at the right target. Christianity IS the cause of today's corrupted society. The preaching goody-good christians are only a funny and irrelevant side effect. They only cause harm to their immediate environment with their backwards and actually anti-christian ideas (read more). The big picture of today's world is nations starving to death, money and corporations ruling everything, wars for so-called humanitarian reasons and so on. All those are a direct effect of christian education. And because the world's economy is shaped by christian nations, even non-christian nations like China and Japan are almost completely "christianized" in their way of life and way of thinking (Islam is generally ignored, bullied and beat-down to learn to submit). Jesus Christ is really now the king of the world because everyone is living under his rule. But *who* is really the Jesus who rules?

Here I'm gonna jump over to the opposite side. I do believe that Jesus was someone very special, quite possibly and in a sense the son of God himself. His teachings are a real treasure that can help a man live a better life. Unfortunately, Jesus usually talked in riddles (some obvious, some not so) and the real meaning of his teachings is mostly lost to so-called "christians".

Jesus praised life as the most important of God's gifts, he was clear that the "Kingdom of Heaven" exists in our lifetimes, yet the "christians" are still searching for an after-life heaven and hell.

Jesus was clear that "dead" exist in this life time when he said "let the dead bury their dead" which makes us look at the resurrection in another way. Still, "christians" wait to be resurrected like Frankenstein's monster.

These things happen when philosophical treasures like Jesus's teachings are left to be exploited by uneducated morons like most of his disciples were. You don't need to be a genious to see the difference between Jesus and Peter or Paul. One a gifted and mysterious philosopher, the other illiterate and hungry for the power of the synagoge jews. Their writing shows. The mystery is why Jesus chose them and let them create the church of christianity. It can only be assumed in this contrast that there was a plan in his intent, and to have a plan that spans thousands of years does imply divine nature. A study of the Revelations will reveal a funny, yet very fitting explanation of this plan. For someone to be saved, he needs to be in a specific situation. You can't save someone who doesn't need to be saved or even one who won't recognise that you are saving him. The same applies for mankind. The whole of mankind has to be in the same condition so that a savior's qualities will be clear to everyone. This has happened today thanx to christianity and it was the plan of Jesus who rules the world because...he is the Antichrist! Sounds weird, but Christ can only save the world if it is ruled by the Antichrist. And indeed Jesus's teachings can now come to full fruition and bring down the Beast which is the Christian Church. His tales about fields, virgins and lost sons contain enough wisdom to change the world. All is needed is for the world to separate Him from the church who uses Him as a shield for a continuing needless existence of sins and corruption. It is a matter of time for it to happen actually...because as He said "The earth and the sky shall vanish, but my words shall not."

PS This theory is not my own of course and by no means is it presented here in full.

quote:Originally posted by Dark_Anarchy:

Piss off

I'm not going to 'burn'! Nothing says or can prove that hell & heaven exists!

Christians are weak-winded idiots who have to believe in a 'higher-being' because they are too dam fucking stupid to ponder that maybe they're completely wrong!! http://www.totse.com/bbs/mad.gif (http://www.totse.com/bbs/mad.gif)

u cant prove heaven and hell dont exist. and neither can you prove the THEORY of evolution. and theory means something thats not proven. so why is it ok to teach evolution and not "heaven and hell" when they are both just as much theory?

quote:Originally posted by Tyrant:

I hate christians more than anything in the world. They're chauvinistic assholes who wont ever admit that THEIR RELIGION IS SHIT.

FUCK YOU CHRISTIANS.

And i also agree that most christians are because their parents are. good point there.

I still hate christians though. Anyone wanna try to fight my opinion? then make sure you aint christian otherwise your opinion is shit http://www.totse.com/bbs/mad.gif (http://www.totse.com/bbs/mad.gif)

It's easy to see how much better atheists are than Christians, what with your concise, science-based arguments and your flawless objectivism.

I love you Tyrant, more than you will ever know. Can I father our children? (SOMEDAY IT WILL BE POSSIBLE!!!!)



Seriously though, Tyrant may be the only pagan or athiest on this board who continually uses logic and serious thinking to back up his views. He is also one of the more open minded. If we could stop getting angry little 14 year old shit heads like Drake and the other little bitch, then it would make honest pagans like Tyrant look alot better.

quote:Originally posted by Dark_Anarchy:

A while ago I was having an arguement with a christian guy my age right, and no matter what I said I just could not penetrate his bullshit belief.

Take this for example, a point i find very interesting:

He said to me: "If you don't believe in god or jesus you'll go to hell"

Believe me, it took a lot of will-power to not smash his face in.

but referring to the opinion above, don't christians claim to 'love' god and jesus?

These christians are afraid of going to hell so how can they love god or jesus if they're actually afraid of them?

They're afraid of going to hell.

I know i could never love someone i feared.

Another point i'd like to say is that christians never actually admit that maybe they could be wrong, there could be no god!

Christians are sad, sad muthafukkas who took a believe too seriously and now wish to infect the world with irrelevant bullshit.



#1. Many christians have very different opinions of hell. Many deny hell exists at all. Many see it as hell on earth as in you make your own hell or heaven in your lifetime. So don't generalize. I don't think all athiests are retarded pubescent nub nuts who are just angry over stupid nitpicky dogmas like you.

#2. Many Christians do know that they could be wrong, it's always a possibility. Yet again you are generalizing.

#3. It is not "irrelevent bullshit", it professes profound love and compassion for your fellow man. I find that truth to be incredibly meanignful. If you are opposed to love and compassion for people, then yes it is "irrelevent bullshit".

quote:Originally posted by Dark_Anarchy:

lol. true. Live and fight!

Oh yeah i got another thing to say. This matter about exposing children to a religion at an early age is a serious one indeed. Childhood is a very vulnerable stage of a person's life, teach them something, and later on down the track it'll be very difficult for them to break free of what they were brought up to believe.

People should have the choice. Also I've heard of baptising babies! this is not only unfair IT ANGERS ME TERRIBLY!

This puts pressure on the child to remain christian when he/she is older! because they know that they're baptised, because this is their fate!

This is honestly sickening behaviour, Again people should wait until the person can make their own decisions! I mean, it's a poor helpless baby for crying out loud! How's it going to say: "No! fuck off! Don't let that water of sinned damnation touch me you bastards!" HUH?

That's right. It won't be able to. So are these people really true christians? Do they have free will or have they been effected by christians pressure?!

I rest my case, die christians I hate you.

Actually it is very contrary to what you've stated. More often than not, when children come into their teen years they feel the need to rebel and break away from the deemed faiths from childhood. Most hardcore christians you meet are "born-again" meaning they came back to christianity or came into it later in life.

Baptising babies isn't horrible at all, meaningless? maybe. But it really has no phyiscal effect on them. It surely isn't painful. I was baptised a Catholic. But I was also givin the Buddhist birthing rights. I felt no real affiliation to either until the past few years. I am 16. Here is my religious biopic.

When I was born I was baptised as a Roman Catholic. I also recieved Buddhist birth rites. I attended a Catholic school from K-8th grade. Church never interested me, I was either too young to understand it so it bored me, I couldn't see the relevence so it bored me, Or I was rebelling against it so it bored me. Around 7th grade I started reading these "Left Behind" books. It made me strongly christian, however I had no real understanding of the depth of the christian message. In 8th grade, I truly can't remember a specific cause, I became strongly opposed to Christianity, I literally hated it. This lasted for a while, maybe halfway through freshman year. It just kinda settled, and I had no strong feelings towards anything. In sophmore year I got an amazing religion teacher, (actually my freshman year one was too, I was just too caught up in complete disdain for the faith that I didn't take in any of his wisdom). So anyway sophmore year, amazing teacher. At this time I was a passive gnostic, This guy just blew my mind with stuff. He showed me to look past the hateful rhetoric of many fundamentalists and start to look into the historical jesus and what he was all about. The historical jesus was a radical, he was a political and religious dissident, he fought the state and religious powers of his time. He accepted the marginalized and downtrodden of his time. He was an amazing guy. I don't mean "Jesus is your best friend, accept him, he is amazing." I mean, he did some truly socially amazing things. He was extrememly progressive with women and prostitutes, and the diseased and dispised. Around this time, I also really began to look into my Buddhist heritage, I found some amazing Truth in it also, and most of it meshed with the historical Jesus. I don't like classifications, but my faith is a good mixture of Buddhism and following the historical Jesus, not the Christ.

I found these things on my own, anything that was shoved down my throat I just spit back up. This is true for most teens. and is probably the reason why you are filled with so much anger and hatred.

I'm not trying to convert you, but if jesus were here right now, he'd love you.

quote:Originally posted by Dark_Anarchy:

Tyrant, dude, provocations will get you nowhere, shut up and act your age.

As for the other comments on the '7th grader' thing, I would like to say that yes, I am blinded by my hatred for you bastards, therefor I cannot argue efficiently while fighting off your..shall I say..harsh beliefs?

You see, we can't argue on the topic or God or evolution and expect to come to a conclusion because none of us are sure anyway, as said earlier: "We believe".

Please do believe for it makes us more open-minded, intelligent individuals, but do not play the convertion game with other people because people can get defensive and generally like to stick to their beliefs.

Believe and live peacefully. Christianity has many 'rules' to live by that make people more respectable, kind people which is good and I have no objection to that. So please, let people believe what they want?

...And to the others who have a few problems with me & my beliefs just understand that provoking me, in fact actually makes you the childish ones.

I don't wish to fight, don't indulge your protagonist within. I simply came here to debate nicely, As I'm sure you can see, this forum topic is named: "Down With Christianity", so naturally I come into the forum thinking negative feelings for christianity. Cut me some slack and think about what you are saying.

Peace y'all.



well that is a pleasent change of pace for you.

I especially like the part where he told Tyrant to act his age. HAHAHAHAHAHAHA!



yet again, I am going to kiss Tyrant's ass. Tyrant is one of the few people on this forum that constantly keeps a cool head about highly debated issues.

excuse me, u refer to me as a 14 y.o. who hates everything. u have me all wrong. i dont hate everything, i hate everyone who has a problem with the truth, adn again, im not 14.

thank you.

Why stop with christianity?

quote:Originally posted by drake of the flame:

excuse me, u refer to me as a 14 y.o. who hates everything. u have me all wrong. i dont hate everything, i hate everyone who has a problem with the truth, adn again, im not 14.

thank you.

Heres your problem, you proudly proclaim your way of thinking as "the truth". Christians do the same thing, and you hate them for that.

A little hypocritical don't you think?

*snickers*

quote:Originally posted by sellout_10:

I hate people like you. I'm an Aethist, but one of the reasons I left the Church was because too many people imposing their beliefs on others. It's so annoying to see you spreading your stupidity elsewhere. I don't hate anybody solely because of their faith, I hate people who condemn me because of mine.

I know many Catholic people, in fact, most of my friends are Catholic. They're very nice people and would never rape anybody. Stupid fuck.

If you enter a church (ANY church) and expect not to have their beliefs imposed upon you, you're ignorant. Isn't that what going to church is all about ?

I haven't condemned you. God will. But there is still time for you to un-condemn yourself. Just ask God. *smiles*

I guess you don't watch the news. Priests are being arrested left and right for their sexual immorality.

quote:Originally posted by deptstoremook:

Word to your mother (I'm pretty ure that's a compliment), that's what I've been saying forever. You've got a way of saying what's on people's minds; ever done any persuasive writing?

Why do you consider someone a great persuasive writer only when it applies to your beliefs ?

Gustave didn't say what is on my mind...and I am part of the "people's".

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quote:Originally posted by Digital_Savior:

Why do you consider someone a great persuasive writer only when it applies to your beliefs ?

Gustave didn't say what is on my mind...and I am part of the "people's".

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ahahahahahahahaha. You? A person?

ahahahahaha

Haven't you realized from this forum that christians obviously aren't people?

"I haven't condemned you. God will."

That makes you happy doesn't it? It comforts you to think your whole life hasn't been a complete waste.

Introspection.

Only God will judge me.

I always liked that. My Irish cousin had that tatooed on his stomach (a la Tupac "Thug Life"). But then that bastard Irish guy on Charlies Angels 2 had that on his back, and it totally lost it's coolness.