Humans have three basic drives...

Self-Gratification: Every Human being seeks to be Comfortable.

Self-Preservation: Every Human Being seeks to Survive.

Self-Propegation:Every Human Being seeks to propegate themselves.

There are some "Exceptions" to these drives, but these drives are Near Universal.

God instilled these drives into our nature, and for some reason People think that God is against Sex!

God is against Sex outside of a Marriage.

Did not God make Adam and Eve?

Did he not make them with Complimentary Equipement?

A Man without a Women is just as Queer as a Man with a Man or a Woman with a Woman!

Catholic Priests are QUEER!

Furthermore, One of the qualifications to be a "Bishop" is to be the "Husband of One Wife".....

quote:1Ti 3:2 A bishop then must be blameless, the husband of one wife...

Since they dont follow their own Holy Book, its no surprise that they redirect their Sex drive to Children.

First, if somebody is homosexual, that is their choice. it does not concern you whatsoever.

Second, just because a few sick bastards went around molesting little boys doesnt mean that every single catholic priest is gay. I'll tell you again. DO YOUR HOMEWORK BEFORE SAYING SHIT LIKE THIS.

Third, if homosexuality makes someone comfortable, it is not your place to talk shit about them. They are simply trying to live their lives as best they can in their own way.

Fourth, just because you say something is true doesnt make it so. There are not a whole lot of people who think the same as you do, those people that do hold the same ideals are decent enough to keep them to themselves.

Fifth, no, not all people seek to procreate. Peoples third basic drive is the right to make individual choices. if someone chooses to be a homosexual or to not have children, they have that right.

Sixth, "God" (if there was one) does not instill anything into our nature. these are called NATURAL instincts. not influenced by an outside party. humanity is not an assembly line being put together by "God".

Seventh, a man without a woman does not make him "queer" it simply makes him a man alone. not having a woman around does not by default make someone gay.

Sniper, I hope you get dumped and turn queer. Then you could go off to some fundy reatreat where you would be beaten daily and subjected to all means of "treatment" until you were cured. I doubt they would give you a computer there, so at least for a while you would stop posting crap like this.

quote:Main Entry: 1queer

Pronunciation: 'kwir

Function: adjective

Etymology: origin unknown

1 a : WORTHLESS, COUNTERFEIT <queer money> b : QUESTIONABLE, SUSPICIOUS

2 a : differing in some odd way from what is usual or normal b (1) : ECCENTRIC, UNCONVENTIONAL (2) : mildly insane : TOUCHED c : absorbed or interested to an extreme or unreasonable degree : OBSESSED d (1) often disparaging : HOMOSEXUAL (2) sometimes offensive : GAY 4b

3 : not quite well

- queer·ish /-ish/ adjective

- queer·ly adverb

- queer·ness noun

usage Over the past two decades, an important change has occurred in the use of queer in sense 2d. The older, strongly pejorative use has certainly not vanished, but a use by some gay people and some academics as a neutral or even positive term has established itself. This development is most noticeable in the adjective but is reflected in the corresponding noun as well. The newer use is sometimes taken to be offensive, especially by older gay men who fostered the acceptance of gay in these uses and still have a strong preference for it.

Theres more than one definition of "Queer", I knew some you wouldnt read the whole post.

Im not saying Priests are fudgepackers...theyre Queer!

Thank you Sniper,

Now that I know the proper meaning of the word I see that your are already queer. As you seem to think this is a bad thing please correct it. I still recoment the beatings and "treatment".

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how many people does it take to put someone in an insane asylum because i think we should put the queer person who wrote this post there because he has some sort of self hating condition that i cant name because i am not a psycologist to bad wilhelm rich is dead piper needs to see him.

quote:Originally posted by Sniper Piper:

A Man without a Women is just as Queer as a Man with a Man or a Woman with a Woman!

Catholic Priests are QUEER!

Furthermore, One of the qualifications to be a "Bishop" is to be the "Husband of One Wife".....

Since they dont follow their own Holy Book, its no surprise that they redirect their Sex drive to Children.

sniper piper, if you actually think we are dumb enough to believe that your post had no sexual implications, then you are sorely mistaken. If you do not mean queer in a sexual manner, do not post anything about sex

How about saying what you mean instead of beating around the bush, so to speak. try being straightforward with what you are saying, it might make you sound a little more intelligent.

quote:Originally posted by Solar Absolute:

If you do not mean queer in a sexual manner, do not post anything about sex

Please Quote and Highlight the part of my original post that implied Priests were Homosexual....so you dont look stupid.

I think the Catholic Priests are Queer part.

quote:

usage Over the past two decades, an important change has occurred in the use of queer in sense 2d.

Since most people here think that you are an idiot we just assume that you wouldn't know any other definition.

Have you run out of things to say now. This is a forum for religion not word play.

quote:Originally posted by MasterPython:

I think the Catholic Priests are Queer part.



Which goes to show that everybody including you didnt even bother to read the whole article before plastering this thread with your opinions.



Checkmate

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quote:Originally posted by Sniper Piper:

A Man without a Women is just as Queer as a Man with a Man or a Woman with a Woman!

Notice how you can substitute a certain word in there:

A Man without a Women is just as gay as a Man with a Man or a Woman with a Woman!

And it makes just as much sense.

Seriously, what the hell is wrong with you? Why are you so dishonest? Why do you feel the need to proclaim your hatred to deaf ears?

quote:Originally posted by Jasper Jones:

A Man without a Women is just as gay as a Man with a Man or a Woman with a Woman!



I used QUEER not Gay, I listed the definition of Queer in this thread, please look at it.

Truthfully fellas, I thought you all were more intelligent than this, I was expecting arguments in a totally different direction. My disapointment.

quote:Originally posted by Sniper Piper:

I used QUEER not Gay, I listed the definition of Queer in this thread, please look at it.

Truthfully fellas, I thought you all were more intelligent than this, I was expecting arguments in a totally different direction. My disapointment.



You were expecting everybody to agree with you, and you're full of shit.

See, most people won't agree with you. The I.Q. scores of people range from a broad spectrum. There are relatively few geniuses, many many average folks, and relatively few retarded people.

You fall under the category of the retarded. You won't find many people agreeing with you simply because there aren't as many retards as there are rational, civil minded people.

Did I break that down simply enough for you?

[speaking slowly]Do you understand what I said?[/speaking slowly]

Wow, Sniper...that was...embarassing.

I am a Christian, and do not agree with homosexuality, but I certainly don't harbor the anger and resentment that YOU seem to for those that choose that lifestyle.

*clears throat*

To all the anti-christians, agnostics, atheists, satanists, evolutionist's, homosexuals, and the like....

I APOLOGIZE.

*sighs*

quote:Originally posted by Jasper Jones:

You were expecting everybody to agree with you, and you're full of shit.

See, most people won't agree with you. The I.Q. scores of people range from a broad spectrum. There are relatively few geniuses, many many average folks, and relatively few retarded people.

You fall under the category of the retarded. You won't find many people agreeing with you simply because there aren't as many retards as there are rational, civil minded people.

Did I break that down simply enough for you?

[speaking slowly]Do you understand what I said?[/speaking slowly]

Now that you know what QUEER means, can you add anything to this conversation other than insults?

quote:Originally posted by Digital_Savior:

I APOLOGIZE.

*sighs*[/B]

Why dont you apologize for God to, why youre at it!

quote:Lev 20:13 If a man also lie with mankind, as he lieth with a woman, both of them have committed an abomination: they shall surely be put to death; their blood shall be upon them.

quote:Originally posted by Sniper Piper:

Lev 20:13 If a man also lie with mankind, as he lieth with a woman, both of them have committed an abomination: they shall surely be put to death; their blood shall be upon them.

Now I'm no Christian, but when the Bible speaks of death, isn't it generally referring to hell? Wouldn't that make it God's decision?

What gives you the right to pass judgement on others. What makes you so saintly that you feel you have the moral right, no, obligation in your case, to pass judgement?

YOU'RE NOT GOD!

Get that through your homophobic mind!

And yes, the word is homophobic, you have a dictionary, look it up and you'll see it applies to you.

quote:Now that you know what QUEER means, can you add anything to this conversation other than insults?

We all know how you meant to use the word. This is coming from somebody who constantly calls homosexuals faggots and queers, why would you change here? Why would you lie?

Lies make baby Jesus cry!

quote:Originally posted by Digital_Savior:

To all the anti-christians, agnostics, atheists, satanists, evolutionist's, homosexuals, and the like....

I APOLOGIZE.

I wish there were more Christians like you

quote:What gives you the right to pass judgement on others

The Bible.....

quote:Jhn 7:24 Judge not according to the appearance, but judge righteous judgment.

So you like Fags....(This isnt the forum for this)....

Fag Facts (http://www.spies.com/~gus/ran/0012/antiporn/fagfacts.html)

quote:Originally posted by Sniper Piper:



I won't apologize for God, since God did not create sin, per se.

He created Lucifer, who brought sin into the world...

I agree with God, that homosexuality is an abomination, but that gives you no right to be a jerk about it.

You're just picking fights, insulting people intentionally, and then masking it under the pretense that you are just a messenger of God's word...

How does that make you a Christian ? To be Christian is to be Christ-like, and I don't remember Christ going around making fun of people because of their sin.

You are the reason that pagans don't believe in Christianity. Try being an example, instead of a deterrent.

You should also consider the fact that no sin is greater than another (except for turning your back on God), so a lie is as bad as murder, in God's eyes. Hatred, anger, and intolerance (what you are displaying) are equal to homosexuality in offensiveness to God.

Just so the rest of you know, as of the New Testament times, God is a God of love. (In the Old Testament He was a God of law only)

quote:Originally posted by Sniper Piper:

The Bible.....

Jhn 7:24 Judge not according to the appearance, but judge righteous judgment.

So you like Fags....(This isnt the forum for this)....

Fag Facts (http://www.spies.com/~gus/ran/0012/antiporn/fagfacts.html)

23 If a man on the sabbath day receive circumcision, that the law of Moses should not be broken; are ye angry at me, because I have made a man every whit whole on the sabbath day?

24 Judge not according to the appearance, but judge righteous judgment.



He was talking about circumcision...don't twist the word of God around to suit your argument.

By the way, " 'Judgement is mine', saith the Lord."

*raises an eyebrow*

When did you fall under the misconception that it is your right to judge others, when you are yet imperfect, aside from the blood of Christ ?

Your function on this planet is to encourage others, and help them along the path to righteousness...not make fun of them for being sinful, which you yourself are.

Glad to see your back Digital_Savior.

quote:Originally posted by MasterPython:

Glad to see your back Digital_Savior.

*curtsies graciously*

Thank you, Master...good to BE back. :-)

Family issues...such as, they NEVER go away ! *lol*

Well, I originally posted some really mean things about Christians and the Bible.

Then I saw DS's posts, and decided to change it so nobody was mad.

DS, I like you, you're a sensible Christian, and I wouldn't want to do anything to offend you.

(See SP? You get more flies with honey)

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quote:Originally posted by Solar Absolute:

First, if somebody is homosexual, that is their choice. it does not concern you whatsoever.

A. Homosexuality is as much of a choice to someone as being born. Homosexuality is not a freakin choice at all. Not generally anyway. The only people who have a choice in partaking in homosexual activities or being homosexual is straight guys who want to try, and straight females who want to try it.

We have little or no control over the chemicals in our bodies. Thousands of homosexual males try to have sex with women, but they generally can't because chemically they CANNOT be sexually aroused by a women, no matter how hard they try. ...And then there are those who do become aroused, only because they were thinking of a man the whole time. All of the above applies to gay women as well.

It is not their faults that they can't become physically aroused by the opposite sex, or else they wouldn't be homo's. Regardless to what you or anyone else may try and argue. Humans of all creeds want simplicity. We ache for things that make our lives simpler. Homo's wouldn't choose to be homosexual because it simply throws a cog into thier lives. Homosexuality is NOT something that we can control, that's a chemical fact (at least at this point in history).

B. You are so fuckin right about what you said about 'it' not concerning anyone whom is not homosexual. The way I see it, if someone cares that deeply about how homo's get off, they're just hiding or struggling with some homo-erotisms in themselves.

quote:Second, just because a few sick bastards went around molesting little boys doesnt mean that every single catholic priest is gay.[/b]

Thank you, couldn't have said it better. Now I needn't say anything on that matter. Save for this, People who dub any class of mankind so casually, are in authority of intelligence of micro-decimal proportion. What Snipe said was equivalent to the notion that all Totse members are idiots or intelligent or mature or immature or *gajas'(fashion vampire), or female, or male or hermaphrodites. One who'd dub us(mankind) so stupidly lacks intelligence, it's just that simple.

quote:I'll tell you again. DO YOUR HOMEWORK BEFORE SAYING SHIT LIKE THIS.Third, if homosexuality makes someone comfortable, it is not your place to talk shit about them. They are simply trying to live their lives as best they can in their own way.

A-fuckin-men!

Dude,you fuckin rock! You just saved me another 45mins. Again, thanx.

quote:Fourth, just because you say something is true doesnt make it so. There are not a whole lot of people who think the same as you do, those people that do hold the same ideals are decent enough to keep them to themselves.

Or at least, they express their ideals, but they don't verbally, emotionally or physically try and impose their beliefs on others.

quote:Fifth, no, not all people seek to procreate. Peoples third basic drive is the right to make individual choices.

Yeah, and a lot of those old 'drives' are just that, OLD. And they've been replaced with other human needs and wants. For example, becoming wealthy.

quote:if someone chooses to be a homosexual or to not have children, they have thatright.

Already addressed. In spite of the above quote, you seem to 'have em all'. You're smart and I totally agree with what you've said, thank chance, that there are ppl on this 'rock' that wields intelligence.

quote:Sixth, "God" (if there was one) does not instill anything into our nature. these are called NATURAL instincts. not influenced by an outside party. humanity is not an assembly line being put together by "God".

Kudos, Solar Absolutely right.

quote:Seventh, a man without a woman does not make him "queer" it simply makes him a man alone. not having a woman around does not by default make someone gay.[/B]

Wow, some of my faith in humanity has been restored. Maybe there is some promise in the world to come. Again, only the dumb choose to label man so idly. Keep that in mind when dealing with some of these ppl, it might keep you a bit saner than if you chose not to.

*Gaja or gajas(pronounced Gadges), is a duragatory name said to psi vamps, or other types of vamps that don't 'drink'. It's like calling some1 a 'wanna be', 'sell out' or simply calling someone 'fake'.

I R vEry sMart, rN't eye?

Metalligod, out.

In the Bible, it claimedthat one sin was as bad as another. THat means if you see any blood relative naked, you have committed a sin just as bad as homosexuality. If you have clothing that is stitched with more than one material, you have committed a sin just as bad as homosexuality. If you have planted more than one crop in the same field, you have committed a sin just as bad as homosexuality. If you have ever used God's name in vain, which you have done many times, you have committed a sin just as bad as homosexuality.

quote:Originally posted by Digital_Savior:

I agree with God, that homosexuality is an abomination, but that gives you no right to be a jerk about it.

Just face it DigitalSavior, your God is not Politically Correct, He's Racist, Sexist, and Homonausiated! Youre misrepresenting him.

quote:You're just picking fights, insulting people intentionally, and then masking it under the pretense that you are just a messenger of God's word...

heres my response...

quote:2Ti 4:2 ..... reprove, rebuke, exhort with all longsuffering and doctrine. For the time will come when they will not endure sound doctrine....



quote:How does that make you a Christian ? To be Christian is to be Christ-like, and I don't remember Christ going around making fun of people because of their sin.

I wouldnt call it "making fun of"...more like "Intolerance"

quote:You are the reason that pagans don't believe in Christianity. Try being an example, instead of a deterrent.

No, their lifestyle is the reason they dont....Ive dealt with plenty of them, Im a PHD in this area!

quote:You should also consider the fact that no sin is greater than another (except for turning your back on God), so a lie is as bad as murder, in God's eyes. Hatred, anger, and intolerance (what you are displaying) are equal to homosexuality in offensiveness to God.

Maybe you should give God and Jesus some lessons on "Tolerance" and maybe God wouldnt have drowned out the whole world, and Jesus wouldnt have whipped the money changers out of the Temple...Twice! And give John the Baptist needs some lessons on "Tolerance" maybe he wouldnt have done all that name calling at the beginning of the Gospels.

quote:Just so the rest of you know, as of the New Testament times, God is a God of love. (In the Old Testament He was a God of law only)

To Christians God is the God of Love, to the unbelieving World, he's the God of Wrath...

quote:Jhn 3:36 He that believeth on the Son hath everlasting life: and he that believeth not the Son shall not see life; but the wrath of God abideth on him.

Digital Savior, your "Tolerance" is unscriptural, your representation of Christianity....is Luke Warm...feminine...

I run into your type all the time at Bible Colleges...your type is afraid to OFFEND anybody! JESUS CHRIST IS AN OFFENCE TO THESE GUYS!

You do your thing, Ill do mine.

quote:Originally posted by Pagan_Guru:

In the Bible, it claimedthat one sin was as bad as another. THat means if you see any blood relative naked, you have committed a sin just as bad as homosexuality. If you have clothing that is stitched with more than one material, you have committed a sin just as bad as homosexuality. If you have planted more than one crop in the same field, you have committed a sin just as bad as homosexuality. If you have ever used God's name in vain, which you have done many times, you have committed a sin just as bad as homosexuality.

Hmmm...I think you are relying on the Old Testament. God states that we are no longer under the law, meaning the law of Moses.

Stop trying to scare people.

Where are you getting these laws, by the way ? (what verses)

DS, why dont you fully and thoughtfully read my whole post before proceed with your rant...

I hope you dont do this with the Pagans

quote:Originally posted by Sniper Piper:

[b]Catholic Priests are QUEER!

Since they dont follow their own Holy Book, its no surprise that they redirect their Sex drive to Children.

Does that work for you Sniper Piper? Or do you think I need to write it slower? Maybe if you read your own posts and arguments, you'd understand that everything you say after the initial comment is totally irrelevant. At least people like Digital_Savior are decent and sympathetic enough to realize that they do not have to spout off innane and irrational bullshit. My thanks to Digital_savior for realizing this.

You don't get off that easy. What are you talking about when you say shit like "you didnt bother reading the whole article"? YES WE DID. That is why we are posting replies which totally knock out your original argument. I am sure you can be an intelligent person when you're not posting this tripe, but by not even underastanding what you, yourself are saying(or are trying to say) it makes you look stupid.

You have PHD in what? intollerance? that which you know nothing about? falsely stating what you believe the word of god and the Holy Book of Lies is?

A persons lifestyle has nothing to do with whether or not that person is a pagan or a christian. Its is a little thing called choice. Everybody makes them.

I'll say again, if you didnt mean queer in a sexual sense, dont post anything about sex.

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quote:Originally posted by Sniper Piper:

To Christians God is the God of Love, to the unbelieving World, he's the God of Wrath...

Jhn 3:36 He that believeth on the Son hath everlasting life: and he that believeth not the Son shall not see life; but the wrath of God abideth on him.

Digital Savior, your "Tolerance" is unscriptural, your representation of Christianity....is Luke Warm...feminine...

I run into your type all the time at Bible Colleges...your type is afraid to OFFEND anybody! JESUS CHRIST IS AN OFFENCE TO THESE GUYS!

You do your thing, Ill do mine.



He is also a God of justice.

The Bible speaks about spiritual indignation, in which Christians become offended from witnessing the sins of the world. But to hyperfocus and attack people makes you no more than a modern day Pharisee.

Galatians 5:22-23, 25 "But the fruit of the spirit is love, joy, peace, patience, kindness, goodness, faithfulness, gentleness, and self control. Against such things there is no law." "Since we live by the spirit, let us keep in step with the spirit. Let us not become conceited, provoking and envying each other."

How are you exhibiting any of these attributes by attacking people for their sin ? Do you not realize that you are more in danger of the fires of Hell than the average pagan ? You are driving people away from God with your "Hellfire and Brimstone" speech, and this is considered an abomination in the eyes of God.

Luke 17:2 "Things that cause people to sin are bound to come, but woe to that person from whom they come. It would be better for him to be thrown into the sea, with a millstone tied around his neck, than for him to cause one of these little one's to sin. So watch yourselves."

I have no more tolerance for sin than you do (I do not unequally yoke myself with those that choose the flesh over ever-lasting life), but I dare not beat other people with my Bible, since I am not yet done beating myself. (nor will I ever be)

You are pious, and you do nothing to honor God and His word, though you mean well, and intend to do good.

Luke 7:36-48 (The Pharisee who considered himself more likely to be forgiven than the harlot)

By the way, John 3:16 states "For God so LOVED the world that He gave His only begotten son, that whosoever shall believe in Him, shall not perish, but have everlasting life", and 1 John 4:8 says "Whoever does not love does not know God, because God is love". 1 John 4:16 "God is love. Whoever lives in love, lives in God, and God in him. In this way, love is made complete among us, so that we will have confidence on the day of judgement, because in this world, we are like Him."

So, because I am a female, I can't possibly grasp the gospel of love God has given us to spread throughout the earth ?

If it were up to you, NO ONE would be going to Heaven.

I am not afraid to offend...please see my 20 threads before posting in response to yours. If I wasn't offending people, I wouldn't have been deemed a "douchebag", a "moron", among many other colorful apellations. I do not need to offend by ridiculing...being a Christian appears to be enough.

I am by far a lukewarm Christian, and for you to assume that about me is fallacy.

Matthew 23:12 "Whoever humbles himself will be exalted, but whoever exalts himself will be humbled." (by condemning others, you mean to say that you are blameless.)

How are you portraying humility by attacking people ?

Jesus Christ is an offense to people because they do not want to be accountable for their actions. They also do not want to believe that they are in need of ANY form of "savior". It's a simple concept. What's your point ?

That is why we are tasked with lifting others up "gently". Not forcing them into submission by belittling them and chastising them for being what they were born to be...sinners.

Romans 8:32 "He who did not spare His own son, but gave him up for us all - how will He not also, along with Him, graciously give us all things ? Who will bring any charge against those whom God has chosen ? It is God who justifies."

Romans 12:14 "Bless those who persecute you; bless and do NOT curse. Rejoice with those who rejoice, mourn with those who mourn. Live in harmony with one another. Do not be proud, but be willing to associate with people of low position. Do not be conceited. Do not repay anyone evil for evil. Be careful to do what is right in the eyes of everyone. If it is possible, as far as it depends on you, live at peace with everyone. Do not take revenge, my friends, but leave room for God's wrath, for it is written: 'It is mine to avenge; I will repay.' (Deuteronomy 32:35) On the contrary, 'If your enemy is hungry, feed him. If he is thirsty, give him something to drink. In doing this, you will heap burning coals on his head.' Do not be overcome by evil, but overcome evil with good."

By taunting, you are no better than anyone else.

Isaiah 66:2 "Has not my hand made all these things, and so they came into being ? This is the one I esteem: He who is HUMBLE and contrite in spirit, and trembles at my word."

Ephesians 4:2 "Be completely humble and gentle; be patient, bearing with one another in love."

1 Peter 4:11 "If anyone speaks, he should do it as one speaking the very words of God."

1 Peter 5:5 "God opposes the proud but gives grace to the humble." (Proverbs 3:34)

Luke 17:9-14 "To some who were confident of their own righteousness and looked down on everyone else, Jesus told this parable:

'Two men went up to the temple to pray, one a Pharisee and the other a tax collector. The Pharisee stood up and prayed about himself: "God, I thank you that I am not like other men - robbers, evil-doers, adulterers, or even like this tax collector. I fast twice a week, and give a tenth of all I get."

But the tax collector stood up at a distance. He wouldn't even look up to heaven, but beat his breast and said, "God have mercy on me, a sinner."

I tell you that this man, rather than the other, went home justified before God.'

Shall I continue ? I have many more...

Digital Saviour, Truthfully, I didnt even finish your last post...I dont care...and I dont feel like keeping this "Tit for Tat" argument going.

Believe whatever you want to believe!

We'll save this argument for the Judgement Seat of Christ.

Plus, you already let everybody know that me and you are not in the same bunch....truce.

So, you expect everyone else to respect your opinions and misconceptions, but you will not even entertain my posts, which offer substantial doctrine supporting what you see fit to discredit ?

You remind me of someone...Lucifer. He refutes and rebelled against the word of God as well...

Truce on what ? Our disagreement that loving EVERYONE is what God desires of us ?

*tsk*

I am just asking that you be a little more considerate...and less judgemental. You think you can handle that ?

I am not trying to attack you, nor am I out to make you seem like a fool.

Thoughts ?

Oh, and there won't BE any arguing when we stand in front of the judgement seat of Christ.

You completely misunderstand the Bible, and what the scriptures are clearly indicating that the judgement of Christ is intended for.

Humanizing God and His word won't justify attacking people for being sinners.

quote:I'll say again, if you didnt mean queer in a sexual sense, dont post anything about sex.

You are a complete friggin idiot!

Sniper Piper go home and wake up to yourself.

God hates bigots.

quote:Originally posted by inquisitor_11:

Sniper Piper go home and wake up to yourself.

God hates bigots.

God is a Bigot....

quote:Originally posted by Solar Absolute:

...a few sick bastards went around molesting little boys...

A "few" sick bastards couldn't molest the thousands of boys that we violated by Catholic priests.

Personally, I think that Catholicism is the beggining of the end. It is truely the religion of the devil.

DS, you're the type of Christian that brings back that wee bit of regret I had when I left the Christian life; I enjoy the Christians that baske in the peace their religion teaches. http://www.totse.com/bbs/smile.gif (http://www.totse.com/bbs/smile.gif)

quote:Originally posted by Sniper Piper:

Digital Saviour, Truthfully, I didnt even finish your last post...I dont care...and I dont feel like keeping this "Tit for Tat" argument going.

Believe whatever you want to believe!

We'll save this argument for the Judgement Seat of Christ.

Plus, you already let everybody know that me and you are not in the same bunch....truce.

I thought you knew God's will? Does DS have a more comprehensive view on Christianity? Why won't you debate her?

You know you're wrong.

quote:Originally posted by Sniper Piper:

You are a complete friggin idiot!



Explain to me how i am an idiot by proving you wrong? How does it make me an idiot by simply posting what is true? You were talking about the priests being queer in a sexual sense! if you didnt mean it like that, tell us instead of making it sound otherwise i think you, sniper piper are the frigging idiot.

What I meant little pea was that it was not the entire community of catholic priests. it was a few hundred out of thousands.

[This message has been edited by Solar Absolute (edited 07-08-2004).]

quote:Originally posted by Sniper Piper:

God is a Bigot....



Last time I checked God is love.

Sniper Piper, while I respect your zeal and apparently earnest desire to share your understanding of God, I have made the following observations:

1) You are immature

2) You have probably never been friends with a homosexual, possibly never even had a conversation with some who identified as queer

3) You have little knowledge or understanding of either Queer Theory or Queer Theology

4) You rely on other peoples work and soundbiets. e.g. "God is homonausiated". This is a normative bullshit statement. It smacks of hate-filled fundamentalist rhetoric that you have appropriated without weighing it properly against scripture.

5) You are most likely a white middle-class teenager. You quite probably have been raised in a christian family, go to a christian school, have mostly christian friends and have had very few meaningful encounters/ relationships with people with different cultural, religious or socioeconomic backgrounds or world views.

I understand that you don't want to water-down christianity, and that you want to unashamedly "tell it like it is". However, hate and bigotry should have nothing to with genuinely following Christ.

quote:Originally posted by inquisitor_11:

Last time I checked God is love.

Once again....(why do I even bother?)...God is love to the Christian but God is Wrath to unbelievers....



Jhn 3:36 He that believeth on the Son hath everlasting life: and he that believeth not the Son shall not see life; but the wrath of God abideth on him.



quote:1) You are immature

You must be a girl...girls are the only ones who use "Maturity" as an insult. Also, if you havent noticed, "Immaturity" is rampant on totse.com......so why should I be any different?

Just going with the flow of traffic...

quote:2) You have probably never been friends with a homosexual, possibly never even had a conversation with some who identified as queer

Actually, One of my exfriends was gay, want to know how I found out? I was laying on the ground drunk and he started hitting on me! What a way to find out your buddy is a FUDGEPACKER!

quote:3) You have little knowledge or understanding of either Queer Theory or Queer Theology

Ive had Theology and Advanced Theology, and Manuscript Evidence classes....Ive got more of an Education than the average Preacher or Priest....dont tell me about Theology!

quote:4) You rely on other peoples work and soundbiets. e.g. "God is homonausiated". This is a normative bullshit statement. It smacks of hate-filled fundamentalist rhetoric that you have appropriated without weighing it properly against scripture.

"hate-filled fundamentalist rhetoric"...guess where I got it from http://www.totse.com/bbs/biggrin.gif (http://www.totse.com/bbs/biggrin.gif)

Lev 20:13 If a man also lie with mankind, as he lieth with a woman, both of them have committed an abomination: they shall surely be put to death; their blood shall be upon them.

Your God of Love is a Fag killer!



quote:5) You are most likely a white middle-class teenager. You quite probably have been raised in a christian family, go to a christian school, have mostly christian friends and have had very few meaningful encounters/ relationships with people with different cultural, religious or socioeconomic backgrounds or world views.

Actually, Its these guys that are the biggest supporters of Queers and Niggers, they support and adamently defend them because they were brainwashed as kiddies that these people are the "Oppressed" minority....the underdog.

Its funny, when I go to work, I see these stupid white kids go up to niggers at work and try to relate....you can almost read it on their face, the moment they found out that Black people are NIGGERS! Welcome to realworld kid!

Ever watch Das Boot, youve got these two German U-Boat Captians drinking at the bar, one commented about his young shipmates "They love our Fuher" the other responded "Theyll learn in time"

And that my answer "Given enough time, youll go out into the real world, and have kids, and youll come around to my way thinking....I dont care about your response..."Youll learn in time" Im sure of it....also Im 28



[This message has been edited by Sniper Piper (edited 07-09-2004).]

Sniper, all I can say to you is that YOU misrepresent Christianity. You didn't pay much attention to the teachings of Christ if you give OT laws any importance. After Yeshua, humans no longer lived under the old laws. IHVH's only rule for acceptance into heaven from Yeshua and on was that one accept Jesus as Christ and put their heart into him. Now, supposedly, that transforms you, makes you a better person...by the looks of it, if Christianity is right, you're no where near putting your heart in Christ; you're full of hate, and hatred is very clearly labeled a sin in the NT. Any sin that isn't atoned for separates you from IHVH; if your religion is right, you're going to be burning in the hell that you believe so many gays will be in...have fun with the sausage party. http://www.totse.com/bbs/smile.gif (http://www.totse.com/bbs/smile.gif)

quote:Originally posted by Optimus Prime:

DS, you're the type of Christian that brings back that wee bit of regret I had when I left the Christian life; I enjoy the Christians that baske in the peace their religion teaches. http://www.totse.com/bbs/smile.gif (http://www.totse.com/bbs/smile.gif)

I don't believe Christianity is a basis for, nor produces peace.

It is a religion based on love, but will ultimately end in war.

So...keep on trying to ridicule me. Doesn't bother me in the slightest.

I don't believe that Sniper Piper is a Christian at all. I believe he is anti-Christianity, and is using this guise as a way to show how Christians are full of folly and irrational thought.

Well, as everyone can see, it's not working, because even if there IS no God, and Christianity is a waste of time, the pretense and values of this religion are not being displayed by Sniper Piper.

And for someone who claims to have a PHD and such extensive knowledge in the areas of theology (among others), you sure seem to be an ignorant individual.

I am not attacking, nor making fun...I think it is very sad that you are the way you are.

The pagans are right...and you would do well to model yourself after Jesus.

He DID whip the moneychangers out of the temple, but WHY ? Do you even know ?

God is a God of wrath for sinners, true, but He maintains his offer of love until the time of judgement, which has NOT YET COME. It is not your place to pass this judgement.

If you had read the scripture that I posted, you would be able to recognize your err.

DS, I wasn't ridiculing you, I was being serious. I truly do enjoy peaceful Christians. And beign a former Christian myself, I do understand that the religion preaches that massive wars are bound to come and such; however, the religion also teaches peace to the followers. The war is between God and Satan, and another between the evil humans of this world; the Christians are supposed to remain true to the peace of Christ and weather the wars with a trust in God, not a trust in the misconception that they can fight the war without corrupting themselves and removing themselves from God's mercy. Essentially, they are to either die with their love for God to be ressurected and gain entrance to Heaven, or they are to live with their love for God and gain entrance to Heaven...all depends on whether or not the wicked get around to killing you before the ascension.

See, I'm not ignorant of my former religion, and I really do like the Christians who are peaceful. (and as you say, those like Sniper are very much not even Christians if you're going off of what Christianity is supposed to be). What I said wasn't ridiculing you, if anything, it was intended as complimentary...very few things bring back the regret I felt at leaving Christianity.

quote:you're no where near putting your heart in Christ; you're full of hate, and hatred is very clearly labeled a sin in the NT.

My replie....

quote:Rev 2:6 But this thou hast, that thou hatest the deeds of the Nicolaitans, which I also hate. -Jesus Christ

Oh no! The English retranslation of a retranslation of a retranslation of a translation uses the word hate! GASP! Hey douchebag, perhaps read a less corrupted version?

'hethem' excuse me there fellas.

i have something to say to all u christian mother fuckers.

ur all a bunch of homophobic lovers that usually dont know what they are following because when they were kids, the parents forced them to accept it.

i dont know about anyone else on this forum, but i for one consider myself a religious philosopher. and after reviewing many a religion , i have come to the conclusion that:

A: christianity is a religion for the masses of ppl, usually lowlifes that are looking for something good for thier lives.

and B: think everyone else is a pagan or athiest

well i have one more thing to say,

FUCK CHRISTIANS, IF I HAD A WAY TO KILL U I WOULD.

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all hail Odin

quote:Originally posted by drake of the flame:

but i for one consider myself a religious philosopher........FUCK CHRISTIANS, IF I HAD A WAY TO KILL U I WOULD.

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all hail Odin

How dare you call yourself a "religious philosopher". Bigot is more like it. I don't believe in Christianity, either, but I don't go around saying "fuck them" or "I'd kill you if I could".

quote:Originally posted by Optimus Prime:

Oh no! The English retranslation of a retranslation of a retranslation of a translation uses the word hate! GASP! Hey douchebag, perhaps read a less corrupted version?

I quoted the most bestselling Bible in the world....the one thats been the standard now for 400 yrs....the only one that doesnt have a Copyright....you know, the one every other version compares themselves to in their preface........the King James Bible http://www.totse.com/bbs/biggrin.gif (http://www.totse.com/bbs/biggrin.gif)

Ah, so you run with the majority of humans? A race of people who happen to be corrupted with greed and hate? You trust them with which Bible is the most accurate based solely on its popularity? Sorry man, direct translations are MUCH MUCH MUCH more accurate. In Christianity, hatred separates you from God...you seem to not consider it a sin...if Christianity ends up being correct, have fun burning in Hell.

quote:Originally posted by Optimus Prime:

if Christianity ends up being correct, have fun burning in Hell.



I think youre confusing two different moral standards....theres the morals laid down in the Bible.....and then theres the ones Human Secularist have....

You and DigitalSavior have been beating me over the head with the wrong set of Morals.... You guys are confused!

as to me burning in Hell....

My sins are paid for, the God of the Bible demands payment for the sins youve committed. He only execepts two payments, you burning eternally in Hell, or the Blood of His Son.

quote:Originally posted by Sniper Piper:



I think youre confusing two different moral standards....theres the morals laid down in the Bible.....and then theres the ones Human Secularist have....

You and DigitalSavior have been beating me over the head with the wrong set of Morals.... You guys are confused!

as to me burning in Hell....

My sins are paid for, the God of the Bible demands payment for the sins youve committed. He only execepts two payments, you burning eternally in Hell, or the Blood of His Son.



I'm just curious, Sniper Piper, from which psychiatric hospital are you currently accessing the internet from?

"if Christianity ends up being correct"

Hmmm...about a 0% chance there. I don't think I have anything to look forward to other than a meaningless life that ends in a meaningless death. Sure, it can be viewed as sad to have no hope at all, but I enjoy the freedom of no restraints. I have no hell to worry about, just have to cope with the thought that I'm going to cease to exist. And I am saying what I said by the morals in the Bible; you're a hateful person, and the Christian God is one of love. Hate separates you from God, and according to the faith, either you are of God or you are of the world and fire that God is supposed to bring to it in the end times. Have fun either ceasing to exist or burning in Hell...looks like you're going to face the same end I will, being as I'm quite confident I'd burn, were Christianity anything more than an illusory comfort food.

you are a fat redneck idiot queer

priests arent homosexual

homosexuals become priests to gain access to young children.

its gays invading the church not the church becomming gay.

please die

quote:Originally posted by gangstafied:

you are a fat redneck idiot queer

priests arent homosexual

homosexuals become priests to gain access to young children.

its gays invading the church not the church becomming gay.

please die

Child molesters don't discriminate sex; it's the theft of someone's innocence that they get off on. It's child molesters invading the Church, not gays.

quote:Originally posted by Optimus Prime:

it's the theft of someone's innocence that they get off on.

I agree.

quote:It's child molesters invading the Church, not gays.[/B]

There seems to be a link between Homosexuality and Pedophilia....



Fags commit more than 33% of all reported child molestations in the United States, which, assuming fags make up 2% of the population, means that 1 in 20 fags is a child molester, while 1 in 490 heterosexuals is a child molester (19).

73% of all fags have had sex with boys under 19 years of age (9).

Many fags admit that they are pedophiles: "The love between men and boys is at the foundation of homosexuality" (22). (http://www.spies.com/~gus/ran/0012/antiporn/fagfacts.html)

quote:Originally posted by Optimus Prime:

[B]DS, I wasn't ridiculing you, I was being serious....B]

My apologies, Sir Optimus...I do believe it was 2 a.m. when I read that post, and I completely misconstrued your point.

Needless to say, I took it to mean that I was solidifying your lack of regret for leaving the Christian faith. *blushes*

In any case, knowing that you are both well versed in what you used to be believe in, as well as why you do not believe in it now, I thank you for your kind reflection.

Any chance you could share with my why you have come to the path you now follow ? I am interested in knowing what turned you from God.



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Nothing really turned me from God; I just realized that I never did believe what I thought I had. I had been a skeptical person since I was a child, and had just never applied my skepticism towards religion until I was 11. I gave Christianity another try when I was 16, and that lasted a short while before faith gave way to skepticism again. It's part of my personality to not have faith in too much of the intangible, and my understanding that religion and faith are personality preferences allows me to talk about it with others without criticizing them for their views. Personality greatly affects compatibility, and I understand religion is much more compatible with others than myself, so I don't fault people for doing what feels natural to themselves, despite it contradicting what feels natural to myself.

quote:Originally posted by Optimus Prime:

Nothing really turned me from God; I just realized that I never did believe what I thought I had.

*breath of fresh air*

Finally, someone willing to have a "conversation", instead of a debate.

Too bad we can't convert this to a more personal platform...i.e. Messenger, or even email (oh, the horror!)

Oh, and I ripped into you on another thread...can't remember what, or why...but...take it for what it is.

;-D