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<obrady757_57344> its not logical?

<dy757_57344> whats not logical?

<word267> Christianity.

<word267> Get it it.

<obarbrady757_57344> christianity is not logical ur right....it is a religion.... i have a relationship

<word267> How do you know?

<7_57344> how do i know? christianity is work...its getting up and saying...wow i have to got to church...wow i have to give money to the church...its all abouit action

<word267> What about reaction?

<word267> What do you get out of it?

<word267> Other than peace of mind.

<word267> http://www.totse.com/bin/bbs/forumdisplay.cgi?action=topics&number=15&SUBMIT=Go

<57_57344> what do i get out of having a relationship eith christ?

<word267> Yep.

fd744> he fills me with happyness...the ultimate creator of the universe loves me and cares for me... he is someone that i can rely on in times of need and a friend.

<word267> I can do that without religion.

<word267> Why would someone like me want to become religious?

<officer_barbrady757_57344> not like this

<word267> I believe so.

<word267> God contradicts himself, if he's true.

<dy757_57344> how does he contradict himself?

<word267> And it's one fucked up god, beyond belief, if he sentences people to "hell" for not believing in him.

<word267> In the bible.

<ody757_57344> if u believe that jesus dies for ur sins u will live in heaven with him for eternity

<oy757_57344> he doesnt want to send ppl to hell

<757_57344> its ur choice

<o7_57344> were lucky enough he gave us that chouce

<word267> So who goes to hell?

<757_57344> you go to hell if u reject the fact that jesus came to earth...died for your sins, and rose 3 days later

<o7_57344> you dont have to do any special task

<word267> What about the people who never had the chance to believe in that?

<word267> They

<word267> They're all burning in hell?

<o757_57344> that will be up to him....i believe that if a baby is aborted then God will definately let them into heaven. If you have heard the word and u reject it...those r the ppl going to hell

<word267> Then why would those other people get free rides?

<_57344> they havnt even heard the word...thats really unfair to them

<word267> That's not fair, what have those people who have heard and rejected the word done to deserve that?

<o57_57344> what do u mean?

<o7_57344> i dont get it

<word267> What if an aborted baby could've lived and rejected it and gone to hell, but it died and went to heaven, and then some other shmo lived and rejected it and died and went to hell for all eternity, that's pretty cheap if you ask me.

<word267> What difference is between those two? Why does one have to burn and another simply go to heaven.

<y757_57344> its all up to god...all u have to do is believe that Jesus dies for ur sins on the cross and u will be saved from all that

<o_57344> everything

<7_57344> all ur sins will be washed away

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<o757_57344> well later on God comes back to earth again and he gives every one of his followers a kingdom to rule on earth

<word267> Really?

<757_57344> yep

<757_57344> i will b having the time of my life up there

<57_57344> it will b insane

<word267> Won't you be dead though?

<757_57344> i get to eat all the time

<word267> That's gluttony.

<word267> I don't think jesus would enjoy that.

<757_57344> death is a bodily thing...ur body dies... but not ur spirit...god will give u a new body...

<o57_57344> enjoy what>

<word267> A new body for what?

<word267> What is you're spirit?

<o57_57344> a heavenly body



Good lord.

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<57_57344> ummm my spirit?

<word267> What is it made out of?

<757_57344> well its hard to xplain

<757_57344> its not made out of anything

<757_57344> its more of a mental thing

<word267> So it's non-existant?

<o757_57344> something god gave you

<word267> God gave me, a mental thing.

<57_57344> no its existent

<57_57344> its more of ur concious

<word267> So it's you're concious mind and very knowledge of your own existance.

<word267> Right?

<57_57344> and God's

<word267> What happens if God dies?

<7_57344> i wanna c u there though... well hang out

<57_57344> u can play the guitar or somehing

<word267> Nothing's infinite.

<757_57344> God wont die...he is everlasting....he is infinate...and so will the body he will give me

<7_57344> and hopefully you

<word267> Infinity isn't possible.

<word267> Everyone knows that.

<57_57344> o it is

<57_57344> i know that it is

<word267> How/

<word267> ?

<757_57344> it just is....he is infinte

<word267> Do you have any substantial proof of anything?

<word267> What is he?

<7_57344> thats something im going to ask him that when i get there

<y757_57344> i do have proof

<y757_57344> i have a bible

<word267> What.

<word267> Oh.

<word267> What was before god?

<7_57344> nothin

<word267> So god came from nothing?

<o757_57344> God was always there...kinda hard to take in huh?

<word267> No, just illogical.

<word267> You're the one that'll be playing football and hanging with regan for all eternity.

<757_57344> God didnt come from anything...God was always there...its so hard to believe because our bodies have a time limit

<word267> No it's not.

<word267> Like I said, just illogical.

<_57344> and god and every other beliver

<7_57344> do u believ in the big bang theory

<word267> Maybe.

<757_57344> how do u think the universe was created?

<word267> Did people perform all the things that were said in the bible?

<7_57344> thats the greatest thing scientist have some up with

<word267> the miracles.

<57_57344> o yea

<7_57344> definately

<word267> Why don't they happen now?

<o_57344> sign of the times...the bible has predicted the future and it is coming true...God is coming back very soon

<o57_57344> i think in our lifetimes

<word267> Supposedly in the year 3000...

<word267> Things don't happen the same way because a sign of the times?

<7_57344> where did u hear that

<57_57344> ?

<word267> The bible.

<o57_57344> the bible has predicted things will happen...when these things start to happen God says these r signs that im coming back

<word267> So that's why things don't happen the way they used to?

<word267> Prophets and priests and what not.

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